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And then I pointed out that your example supported my argument and undermined yours. Then I asked if you have any other examples. And I expect I will be able to point out the same thing with them also, if you cannot figure it out for yourself.

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Except you cannot figure out what it is.

Poland also escaped the yoke of communism before China. Taking that into account, the trend in their metrics is pretty much the same as China's - GDP per capita, quality of their products etc. If anything, China is catching up to Poland. Between 1990 and 2005, Poland's per capita GDP was a steady 5X that of Chinas. Now it is less than 2X.

And in case you have forgotten what my point is: there is absolutely no need to dream up a culture-specific explanation what you see. Communism more than explains it. Once you take that into account, you can see that China appears to have less of a "half arsed work ethic" culture.

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No I didn't. I reported that that is what everything I read online said. If you are reading something else, feel free to share.

Again, is there anything at all about Chinese standards that you think cannot be adequately explained by the history of communism? Or do you just like parroting Cha bu duo because it makes you feel smart?

freediver wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 8:24pm:

I refer to cha bu duo because it is universally known to be a huge problem in China. The baby formula scandal was exposed when they started sending it overseas... the New Zealand government made a big stink over it, forcing the Chinese government to crack down on the practice, which had plagued the local market for years. Local complaints were ignored by Chinese authorities... international government complaints could not be.

Most commentators put down the acceleration of cha bu duo incidents recently is attriubuted to capitalism in China, not communism.

Bobby. wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 8:41pm:

One line of a Chinese rap song's lyrics titled, yeppp, Cha Bu Duo, goes, 'Everything's the same - a deer is now a horse'.

freediver wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 7:10am:

As I've said here before, for a politics forum owner, your ignorance of world politics is amazing.

You seem to believe that if you don't already know something, it can't be true... It's a common theme in your posts.

The CCP is communist in name only and has been for decades. It is closer to a right-wing absolute dictatorship.

The old communist-era adage, 'they pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work', is no longer applicable to the Chinese worker.

Communist backwardness no longer exists in China.

The cultural plague of cha bu duo has existed for centuries, and it is what plagues Chinese manufacture of all kinds. Where Chinese manufacturers are not overseen by Western entities, they will do what the Chinese are inclined to do: make and sell products to the general buyer that usually look well-made but are substandard and poorly made.

With local products, they will often use Western-style branding, including using English on the labels and hire Westerners to promote these fraudulent or poorly-made (even dangerous) products.

Their property development industry is notorious for this, resulting in what has become well known worldwide as 'tofu buildings' - using low-quality steel and cement.

The practise is so widespread and familiar to Chinese people that their manufacturers will even promote speed of production as an absolute gross positive, as the world saw when they built a hospital in record time, by not bothering to wait for the foundational cement to harden and dry before building on top of it. Of course, the building was unused and 'kept on standby' - being unfit for use - once the focus shifted away from it.

The Russians have a name for this kind of presentation: the 'Potemkin Village'... The Chinese have mastered it writ large.

The Chinese regulators generally ignore these tactics so long as provincial/central government officials and local mafia-style orgs get their cut, which can accumulate to as high as 30% of the developmental costs.

Again, the cultural theme of cha bu duo accelerated exponentially soon after China abandoned Marxist-Leninist communism and took up absolute authoritarian capitalism, with almost none of the regulatory guardrails imposed in the West.

The Chinese satirical writer, Hu Shi, wrote a fable in 1919 (long before even European communism became entrenched) that satirised the cultural plague of cha bu duo.

It is still repeated in modern China to characterise the cultural phenomenon of cha bu duo.

It tells the story of a man whose whole philosophy is 'close enough' (cha bu duo).

Hu presents him as an everyman figure, 'living in every village', to mock the broader social habit rather than a single individual.

Mr Chabuduo treats important differences as trivial.

As a child, he buys the wrong kind of sugar and says it is basically the same.

At school, he confuses similar place names.

At work, he treats errors in figures as unimportant.

He misses a train by two minutes and blames the train rather than his own carelessness.

Finally, when he falls seriously ill, his family brings the wrong doctor, and he accepts that too as 'close enough', which leads to his death.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21^st, 2026 at 7:34pm:



QUESTIONS;
Where are all of successful managed Communist [named] states ?

Have there ever been, any successfully managed Communist [named] states ?

e.g.
Not NK, i'm guessing.    /sarc off
Vietnam ?



Or do these 'peoples movements' all begin with a violent peoples revolution,
and then quickly morph into......

[either.....]
1/ An economically successful klepto/capitalist clique governed state
[i.e. Q. where did the communist values go ] ?
[i.e.  'one for all, and all for one',   or,   'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need']

or....

2/ Post the peoples revolution, the state progresses, into an economically failed state [through a badly run command economy structure], which morphs into a cruel and ruthless, tyrannical dictatorship ?


Are there any other societal models which [communist] 'peoples revolutions' morph into ???

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2026 at 10:02am:

Sometimes it fails the customer test when a wheel falls off while driving... Chrome-plated plastic lug nuts!