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Reply #15 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 6:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 8:03pm:
Also, don't get the ones with nuts in it if you are allergic to nuts.


I collect my full intake of nuts here.
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Reply #16 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 7:27pm
 
I only eat Belgian chocolate.
And only dark chocolate, generally 70% or more.
I researched the Coles Belgian chocolate and it's a good deal overall as being cheaper than others.
But I prefer REAL Belgian chocolate which is quite expensive.

You get what you pay for.
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Re: Cadbury chocolate not really chocolate:
Reply #17 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 9:57pm
 
Valkie wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 7:27pm:
I only eat Belgian chocolate.
And only dark chocolate, generally 70% or more.
I researched the Coles Belgian chocolate and it's a good deal overall as being cheaper than others.
But I prefer REAL Belgian chocolate which is quite expensive.

You get what you pay for.



Yep -and people have to stop buying dangerous junk food.
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Reply #18 - Apr 21st, 2026 at 12:06pm
 
Cadburys hasn't been decent chocolate since they went down the Halal Certification road in 2014.

I buy Lindt - and send Cadburys the wrappers in protest.
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Re: Cadbury chocolate not really chocolate:
Reply #19 - Apr 21st, 2026 at 12:07pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 6:48pm:
freediver wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 8:03pm:
Also, don't get the ones with nuts in it if you are allergic to nuts.


I collect my full intake of nuts here.


So you don't look out of place then ey?  Wink
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Re: Cadbury chocolate not really chocolate:
Reply #20 - Apr 21st, 2026 at 12:13pm
 
Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2026 at 12:06pm:
Cadburys hasn't been decent chocolate since they went down the Halal Certification road in 2014.

I buy Lindt - and send Cadburys the wrappers in protest.


Cadbury didn't change their recipe because of Halal Certification.
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Reply #21 - Apr 21st, 2026 at 12:17pm
 
Gnads wrote on Apr 21st, 2026 at 12:06pm:
Cadburys hasn't been decent chocolate since they went down the Halal Certification road in 2014.

I buy Lindt - and send Cadburys the wrappers in protest.



It's expensive but at least it's chocolate:


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Reply #22 - May 8th, 2026 at 10:10pm
 
And most of the ‘’Raw Sugar’’ on sale is not raw sugar but is refined sugar with a few additives disguised as raw sugar.
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lee wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 1:14pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 9:07pm:
While some studies indicate palm oil might increase HDL ("good") cholesterol, the overall consensus is that its high saturated fat content makes it less desirable than unsaturated oils.


Another thing decided by poll. Roll Eyes


Consensus is not a poll. All the "book learning" you have ever stumbled across was decided by consensus. Even the hard sciences.

It's time you faced reality.
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Reply #24 - Yesterday at 10:02am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 9:07pm:
lee wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 8:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 8:10pm:
what do all those oils and chemicals they put in your chocolate do to you?



Oils shouldn't block anything. It provides slippage.




nahh - it's poison.

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Palm oil is considered unfavorable for cholesterol management because it is high in saturated fat (nearly 50%), which can increase LDL ("bad") cholesterol levels. While it may not be as harmful as trans fats, studies show it raises LDL cholesterol more than vegetable oils low in saturated fat, such as olive oil.


Key Details on Palm Oil and Cholesterol:

LDL Increase: Palm oil consumption is associated with significantly higher LDL (bad) cholesterol levels compared to unsaturated vegetable oils.

Saturated Fat Content: It contains high levels of palmitic acid, a saturated fat known to increase cholesterol, making it similar to butter in its effects, note and in this WebMD article.


Comparison to Other Fats: Palm oil is less heart-healthy than olive oil or avocado oil. However, it is generally considered better than trans fats.


Recommendation: Health guidelines recommend limiting palm oil intake to manage blood cholesterol and overall heart health.


While some studies indicate palm oil might increase HDL ("good") cholesterol, the overall consensus is that its high saturated fat content makes it less desirable than unsaturated oils.


This is the big problem with palm oil:

Palm oil production is a major driver of global deforestation, particularly in Southeast Asia, where vast areas of biodiverse rainforests and peatlands are cleared for plantations, leading to massive carbon emissions and loss of endangered species habitat.
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Re: Cadbury chocolate not really chocolate:
Reply #25 - Yesterday at 10:25am
 
greggerypeccary wrote Yesterday at 10:02am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 9:07pm:
lee wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 8:38pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 8:10pm:
what do all those oils and chemicals they put in your chocolate do to you?



Oils shouldn't block anything. It provides slippage.




nahh - it's poison.

Google AI:


Palm oil is considered unfavorable for cholesterol management because it is high in saturated fat (nearly 50%), which can increase LDL ("bad") cholesterol levels. While it may not be as harmful as trans fats, studies show it raises LDL cholesterol more than vegetable oils low in saturated fat, such as olive oil.


Key Details on Palm Oil and Cholesterol:

LDL Increase: Palm oil consumption is associated with significantly higher LDL (bad) cholesterol levels compared to unsaturated vegetable oils.

Saturated Fat Content: It contains high levels of palmitic acid, a saturated fat known to increase cholesterol, making it similar to butter in its effects, note and in this WebMD article.


Comparison to Other Fats: Palm oil is less heart-healthy than olive oil or avocado oil. However, it is generally considered better than trans fats.


Recommendation: Health guidelines recommend limiting palm oil intake to manage blood cholesterol and overall heart health.


While some studies indicate palm oil might increase HDL ("good") cholesterol, the overall consensus is that its high saturated fat content makes it less desirable than unsaturated oils.


This is the big problem with palm oil:

Palm oil production is a major driver of global deforestation, particularly in Southeast Asia, where vast areas of biodiverse rainforests and peatlands are cleared for plantations, leading to massive carbon emissions and loss of endangered species habitat.


If palm oil is the problem then just switch to planting olive trees.
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Re: Cadbury chocolate not really chocolate:
Reply #26 - Yesterday at 5:27pm
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on May 8th, 2026 at 10:10pm:
And most of the ‘’Raw Sugar’’ on sale is not raw sugar but is refined sugar with a few additives disguised as raw sugar.


Google AI:

Brown sugar is essentially refined white sugar with added molasses, rather than being a naturally unrefined product.  While raw sugar (such as turbinado) retains its natural molasses coating through minimal processing, brown sugar is created by mixing white refined sugar crystals with black treacle (molasses) to achieve its color and softer texture.

Composition: Brown sugar contains 3.5% to 6.5% molasses depending on its darkness, whereas raw sugar retains the natural molasses present in the sugarcane juice.
Processing: Raw sugar is made by boiling cane juice and evaporating it with minimal chemical treatment, while brown sugar undergoes full refining to remove all molasses before having some added back in.
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Re: Cadbury chocolate not really chocolate:
Reply #27 - Yesterday at 5:30pm
 
Leroy wrote Yesterday at 10:25am:
If palm oil is the problem then just switch to planting olive trees.



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Olive oil can be used in chocolate instead of palm oil, but it is generally not a direct 1:1 substitute for creating a solid, temperable bar due to significant differences in fat structure and melting points.

Palm oil is often used in mass-produced chocolate as a cheap filler because it is solid at room temperature and has a higher melting point, which helps the chocolate resist melting in warm climates.  In contrast, olive oil is a liquid vegetable oil at room temperature.  If you substitute olive oil directly for the solid fats (like cocoa butter or palm oil) in a standard chocolate recipe, the resulting product will not solidify and will remain soft or liquid, failing to achieve the traditional "snap" and glossy finish of tempered chocolate.

However, olive oil can be used in specific contexts:

Chocolate Spreads: Olive oil is a common ingredient in artisanal chocolate spreads (like gianduja) because the product is intended to be spreadable and does not require tempering or solidification.


Blended Formulations: For those seeking to reduce saturated fat or avoid palm oil while maintaining some texture, olive oil can be blended with cocoa butter (e.g., 60–70% high-oleic oil/olive oil blend with 30–40% cocoa butter) and emulsifiers like lecithin.  This creates a firmer bar than pure oil but will still likely lack the professional temper of 100% cocoa butter chocolate.


Flavor Profile: Olive oil imparts a distinct fruity or peppery flavor, which complements dark chocolate but may clash with milk or white chocolate, whereas palm oil is relatively neutral.
For a high-quality, palm-oil-free chocolate bar that mimics the texture of commercial chocolate, cocoa butter is the preferred alternative, as it is the natural fat of the cocoa bean, providing the necessary structure, melt-in-the-mouth sensation, and temperability.
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Reply #28 - Yesterday at 5:36pm
 
Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 5:30pm:
Leroy wrote Yesterday at 10:25am:
If palm oil is the problem then just switch to planting olive trees.



Google AI:


Olive oil can be used in chocolate instead of palm oil, but it is generally not a direct 1:1 substitute for creating a solid, temperable bar due to significant differences in fat structure and melting points.

Palm oil is often used in mass-produced chocolate as a cheap filler because it is solid at room temperature and has a higher melting point, which helps the chocolate resist melting in warm climates.  In contrast, olive oil is a liquid vegetable oil at room temperature.  If you substitute olive oil directly for the solid fats (like cocoa butter or palm oil) in a standard chocolate recipe, the resulting product will not solidify and will remain soft or liquid, failing to achieve the traditional "snap" and glossy finish of tempered chocolate.

However, olive oil can be used in specific contexts:

Chocolate Spreads: Olive oil is a common ingredient in artisanal chocolate spreads (like gianduja) because the product is intended to be spreadable and does not require tempering or solidification.


Blended Formulations: For those seeking to reduce saturated fat or avoid palm oil while maintaining some texture, olive oil can be blended with cocoa butter (e.g., 60–70% high-oleic oil/olive oil blend with 30–40% cocoa butter) and emulsifiers like lecithin.  This creates a firmer bar than pure oil but will still likely lack the professional temper of 100% cocoa butter chocolate.


Flavor Profile: Olive oil imparts a distinct fruity or peppery flavor, which complements dark chocolate but may clash with milk or white chocolate, whereas palm oil is relatively neutral.
For a high-quality, palm-oil-free chocolate bar that mimics the texture of commercial chocolate, cocoa butter is the preferred alternative, as it is the natural fat of the cocoa bean, providing the necessary structure, melt-in-the-mouth sensation, and temperability.


Bobby when we start relying on AI we stop thinking.

My point was palm oil is not the problem, clearing forests is the problem. They plant palm oil trees when they clear the land but it is clearing the land that we should focus on and not on palm oil.
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Re: Cadbury chocolate not really chocolate:
Reply #29 - Yesterday at 5:44pm
 
Leroy wrote Yesterday at 5:36pm:
Bobby when we start relying on AI we stop thinking.

My point was palm oil is not the problem, clearing forests is the problem. They plant palm oil trees when they clear the land but it is clearing the land that we should focus on and not on palm oil.



No - the problem is fake chocolate made with Palm oil
which is not only very unhealthy to eat it's also
bad for our environment.
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