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Apr 19th, 2026 at 5:04pm
 
This is an extension of my previous article:

The Heavy Legacies of Our Past

A very simplified version of that is that democracy has spread, largely through war and colonisation, not because democracies actively seek to spread democracy, but because more economically and politically inclusive nations tend to become more wealthy and powerful than less inclusive nations, regardless of how close they are to the modern ideal of a functioning democracy.

The modern consequence of this is the democratic peace theory, which is more of an observation that democracies tend not to go to war against each other, presumably because the people do not want it, and they get to have a say. Following World War 2, this became an almost global peace, as war weary nations made sincere efforts to avoid a third round – helped along no doubt by a unipolar world and Mutually Assured Destruction.

However, the mechanisms that support this peace, such as the United Nations, have a natural consequence that they tend to support and legitimise dictatorships. Dictators who attend UN meetings, must, out of necessity, be treated as some kind of equal, even if they do not in any meaningful way represent their people. Thus, while we have been relatively successful at maintaining peace since World War 2, the spread of democracy has almost come to a halt, and in some place is trending backwards.

It is tempting to think that this is a price worth paying for peace, however the numbers tell a different story. Around 1960, roughly 50 million people starved to death in China. Not because anyone was trying to kill or starve them, but because the Chinese Communist party was trying to feed them all equally. China, Russia, Cambodia and various other communist regimes have killed hundreds of millions of people, in roughly equal measure by trying to help them and trying to cement their grip on power and prevent democracy, capitalism and any other popular alternative movements from existing. At the end of World War Two, the west had a window of opportunity to set up democracy in China the same way they did in South Korea. The human cost of setting up a new form of government in China would surely have been less than the cost of Communism, if it could have been done without triggering a war with Russia. Now those opportunities are largely gone, and dictators are using organisations like the UN to cooperate and cement their legitimacy and their grip on power.

In Muslim countries such as Indonesia that have inherited democracy from colonial days, Muslim leaders are gradually chipping away at democracy, eroding the necessary precept that anyone must be allowed to run for office, on any platform they choose. Even the USA is eroding freedom of the press.

Is democracy reaching its global zenith? It is hard to predict the future, and current trends are a bit of a mixed bag. Communism is now largely a spent force, which is a victory for humanity that should not be understated, but major threats still remain from religion (Islam in particular), narcoterrorism, and opportunistic cooperation among leaders who see democracy as a threat.

So where are the current opportunities? They are also a mixed bag:

China: Despite that anti-democratic propaganda from the little pinks that has started to infest even this forum, the Chinese Communist Party is internally democratic. It is a very long way from dictatorships like North Korea. I would put it halfway in between a tinpot dictatorship and a functioning democracy. Using Acemoglu’s theories (see the link at the start of the article), we can predict interesting time ahead for China. It could go both ways. It is like Europe a few centuries ago, or Rome prior to Caesar. In addition, and consistent with the theory, the political inclusiveness of China’s regime has allowed it to make a dramatic transition to, if not capitalism, at least a far more economically inclusive society. This in turn has generated wealth and power, and allowed the people to make yet more demands for both politically and economically inclusive policies. It will probably take some kind of fracturing within the CCP to change the status quo, at which point they could take a violent path towards dictatorship, or the middle road towards democracy.

India: The world’s other country with over a billion people inherited democracy from the British colonists. It is nominally more democratic than China, however the people do not necessarily “get” democracy in the same way as people who have fought a war for their freedom. For example, vote buying is common and done quite openly, which suggests there is a high tolerance for it among voters. This is reflective of a broader problem with corruption. Both India and China are in a messy transition phase. Inevitably, the people ought to start demanding more rights and better representation, but there are no guarantees.
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Reply #1 - Apr 19th, 2026 at 5:12pm
 
South America: You may not have noticed, but the basketcases of South America have been on a gradual improve. This is one of the few good news stories, however, there are a few holdouts. Cuba is a communist holdout. Venezuela and Nicaragua are narco-terrorist states. A more liberal drug policy in the US (eg taxing drugs heavily rather than criminalising them) could help the transition to democracy by cutting off the flow of funds to drug dealers and corrupt leaders throughout central America.

Iran: although the middle east and broader Muslim world will probably be the last place to adopt democracy, Iran is a possible exception. They have a long history of elections, under both the current regime and the old shah. All it would take is a new commitment to allowing anyone to run for office, rather than having the Mullah’s appoint candidates. However, even though such a move appears to have popular support in Iran, it will have a powerful, ruthless, bloodthirsty and violent opposition from conservative Muslims, who may be able to prevent a transition to democracy, even if they only make up a small percentage of the population.

Indonesia: 300 million people live in Indonesia, in what is nominally a democracy, and which ought to complete the transition to a “fully functioning” democracy, with the one caveat that Islamic extremists are doing their best to take the country in another direction.

Africa: Southern Africa has a few democracies that are functioning reasonably well. The north is similar to the middle east: part of the original caliphate, never known democracy, don’t want to know. Egypt is a possible exception, though its democracy is only nominal at the moment. There is no hint yet that Islam's opposition to democracy and human rights is going to vanish the same way that the threat posed by communism did. In between are war torn, violent countries. These countries supplied the Islamic and American slave trade for centuries, so it is no surprise that they are mostly oppressive and corrupt dictatorships today. However, their economic and military weakness presents an opportunity for nation building. Few people are going to mind us deposing an African dictator, and those who do are probably not in a position to argue. However, it would be a long and uphill battle. Any move to establish democracy would attract Islamic terrorists from around the world. It would probably take at least a generation or two to change local culture to one that can sustain democracy. There is also a good chance that democracy will spread up from the south. Furthermore Ghana, Senegal and Malawi are already on the path to democracy. Supporting these nations in their transition could help seed Central African democracy over the coming centuries.
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Reply #2 - Apr 19th, 2026 at 5:57pm
 
Interesting and lots to discuss.

1. Democracy and the nation state.
All UN members are nation states. Not all are democracies. Is the UN a false 'democratisation' of all nation states? Why are lunatics and monsters given a say in UN processes? Democracies do not give voting rights to convicted murderers and idiots. Why does the UN?

2. The faux democracy of the UN is used to thwart and undermine and ultimately destroy democratic nation states.
Why is this permitted? Why is the fiction of equality between, say, Norway and Haiti, North Korea and Japan tolerated?


THese fictions were accepted after WWII, not before. Why? In some sense it has been due to the naive Americanisation of the world order: the US has managed to have a very successful amalgamation of 50 different states and this ideal  has been projected onto the world and ingernational instutions after WWII, replacing European colonial empires where there was no illusion about democracy between nations.

The Europeans, having senselessly slaughtering each other for half a century between 1914 and 1945 have lost all moral authority to maintain a hierarchy of nations. So the franchise, in international affairs, has been extended to all. Colonialism did end too soon and it is entirely the fault of the European powers, especially of Germany.

The nonsense of national, cultural equality is reproduced, disasterously, in the EU. 


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Reply #3 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 8:13am
 
The UN is not exactly a democracy, and it's primary purpose is to prevent war. That is the trade-off: legitimising whatever ruler happens to sit on the throne is the price of peace. It does not have any real power by itself, but it is a reflection of the genuine will of powerful states (the democratic ones) to avoid war. The dictators don't want war either, but only because they are going to lose. Luckily, China seems willing to avoid war also.

I don't have a problem with the EU.
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Reply #4 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 8:51am
 
China avoids all war for one major reason: The nation-state of China is not a cohesive monolith... to the point that it dares not even attempt a military so-called 'reunification' campaign against Taiwan... on paper, one of the easiest wars it could ever conduct.

China is a facade state masking its would-be separatist and independence-seeking regions and provinces that could easily take up arms against the superstate if a war on Chinese soil ever went bad for the central government.

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Reply #5 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 9:24am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 8:13am:
The UN is not exactly a democracy, and it's primary purpose is to prevent war. That is the trade-off: legitimising whatever ruler happens to sit on the throne is the price of peace. It does not have any real power by itself, but it is a reflection of the genuine will of powerful states (the democratic ones) to avoid war. The dictators don't want war either, but only because they are going to lose. Luckily, China seems willing to avoid war also.

I don't have a problem with the EU.

Which was has the UN prevented?
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Reply #6 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 10:07am
 
We haven't had WWIII. Yet. Not sure if you can credit the UN with that. But the same motivation would be behind both.

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China avoids all war for one major reason: The nation-state of China is not a cohesive monolith... to the point that it dares not even attempt a military so-called 'reunification' campaign against Taiwan... on paper, one of the easiest wars it could ever conduct.


Except that Taiwan is a major US trading partner, and the US "declines to rule out" military support for Taiwan.

What I think holds the CCP back is the one child policy. War is not going to be popular in a nation of little princes. And a war is probably the only thing that could bring the CCP down, other than an internal rift. They are not above slaughtering Chinese people in the tens of millions to maintain their grip on power.
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Reply #7 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 10:49am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 10:07am:
We haven't had WWIII. Yet. Not sure if you can credit the UN with that. But the same motivation would be behind both.

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China avoids all war for one major reason: The nation-state of China is not a cohesive monolith... to the point that it dares not even attempt a military so-called 'reunification' campaign against Taiwan... on paper, one of the easiest wars it could ever conduct.


Except that Taiwan is a major US trading partner, and the US "declines to rule out" military support for Taiwan.

What I think holds the CCP back is the one child policy. War is not going to be popular in a nation of little princes. And a war is probably the only thing that could bring the CCP down, other than an internal rift. They are not above slaughtering Chinese people in the tens of millions to maintain their grip on power.

Chinese international military escapades or even defensive ones have been a farce for centuries, long before the rise of little princes.

The last serious one, with Vietnam in 1979, lasted 3 weeks and resulted in China withdrawing from Vietnam... no little princes were harmed, or existed, in the running of this farce.

The term 'Chinese people' is technically correct for the central government's claim of sovereignty, but that's it.

There is no 'Chinese people' in the way Australians can reasonably refer to the people of Australia as 'the Australian people'.

The Chinese population is divided by massive disparities in allegiance, culture, religion, ethnicity, language, societal structure... almost on a par with India.

And another thing's for sure: the Han Chinese consider themselves superior to all other Chinese national ethnicities and subidentities... and they're blindingly ethno-chauvinistic.
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