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4 dimensional win.
Apr 15th, 2026 at 12:01pm
 
Let's contrast donny with albo.

Albo is currently grovelling  to get fuel and he will probably have to pay a big premium to secure any at all
Australians should be nervous.

Drill baby drill donny on the other hand has made the USA  a net EXPORTER  of oil.
Add in the huge deposits in Venezuela.


He can close the Strait for eternity and America gets richer.
We call this America first.



What about Europe.
Always laughing at donny
Like many members on here.

Well donny has saved his country a trillion by winding back NATO.

And what about oil for Europe.
Donny has cut them off from the middle east.

They have 2 choices.
Grovel to donny or. GROVEL TO PUTIN.
yes, they may have to suck up to Russia to keep their economy going.

he who laughs last laughs loudest  Grin Grin
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Reply #1 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:05pm
 
Here you go, Sad. The "noble Scoot's" been studying the players again. He's a bit of an academic, you see.

He might have mentioned Donnie, but I think he got away with it.

Not so much a man as a God, no?



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Reply #2 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:52pm
 
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And what about oil for Europe.
Donny has cut them off from the middle east.

They have 2 choices.
Grovel to donny or. GROVEL TO PUTIN.
yes, they may have to suck up to Russia to keep their economy going.


Not only oil but also gas and fertilizers for EU WOKE idiots  Wink
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Reply #3 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:55pm
 
Seems like Scoot is sundowning now along with Trump...

Scoot, you've just written a full-blown love letter to him reshaping global energy, dominating Europe, and somehow turning a self-inflicted supply shock into a win.

At some point you've got to stop pretending you're an "independent" observer. This is just cheerleading with extra steps.

Let's deal with reality.

Disrupting the Strait of Hormuz isn't some clever leverage play, it's playing chicken with roughly a fifth of the world's oil supply. That doesn't make America richer, it drives global price spikes, fuels inflation, and destabilises markets across the board, including the US. Oil is priced globally, not according to whatever fantasy you've cooked up about "America First" immunity.

And here's the part you've completely ignored, the risk to the petrodollar.

The entire reason the US has outsized financial power is because oil is predominantly traded in US dollars. That underpins global demand for the dollar, helps finance US deficits, and gives Washington enormous leverage over the international system. Start blowing up global energy stability, forcing countries to scramble for alternatives, or pushing major producers and consumers into non-USD arrangements, and you don't strengthen that system, you undermine it.

You don't get to posture about dominance while simultaneously increasing the incentive for the rest of the world to route around you.

That's not "America First". That's sawing off the branch you're sitting on.

Same goes for Europe. Forcing allies into energy insecurity doesn't make them "grovel", it pushes them to diversify faster, hedge harder, and in some cases look to exactly the actors you claim to be countering. That's not strategic brilliance, it's self-sabotage you're pretending is a show of strength.

And NATO? He hasn't "saved a trillion", he's strained alliances while creating the very instability those alliances exist to manage.

This isn't strength. It's arson.

But honestly, the biggest issue here is still you.

You keep insisting you don't support Trump, then you turn around and defend, justify, and now outright mythologise every move he makes. There's zero consistency there, just a reflex to protect the narrative no matter how detached it gets from reality.

At some point you need to confront that contradiction.

Because this isn't analysis anymore, it's fixation.

And if you genuinely can't see how far you've drifted from reality into this "he wins no matter what happens" mindset, then yeah, it might be time to step away for a bit and get your head straight.
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Reply #4 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 2:21pm
 
4 dimensional win ...........

over 1 million died during covid when he mishandled it.

Over 1 million dead worldwide  from him withholding humanitarian aid

thousands murdered in Iran

dozens murdered in Venezulea when he kidnapped their president

many children raped

...........

yes, that is america for winning
death, murder, bombing, rape.
that is america
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Reply #5 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 3:47pm
 
tallowood wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:52pm:
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And what about oil for Europe.
Donny has cut them off from the middle east.

They have 2 choices.
Grovel to donny or. GROVEL TO PUTIN.
yes, they may have to suck up to Russia to keep their economy going.


Not only oil but also gas and fertilizers for EU WOKE idiots  Wink




It's inexcusable for australia, which is at the very end of long and intricate supply chains to not be energy self sufficient.
Currently renewables contribute less then 10 % of our energy needs.

If america can be self sufficient in fuel and in fertilizer, we certainly can.

The truth is oil is going to be rationed and the countries with the biggest currency reserves ( China Korea japan ) , will have the cash to buy the tankers as they fill up in Singapore and we will have to print enormous amounts of cash to compete.

This will see a massive surge in inflation at the very least , undoubtedly a recession , and probable rationing of fuel and food.


Whilst america under trump , makes cash as an oil exporter.

It's not " being in a cult " to recognize how foolish albonese and successive governments have been.


Funding BS projects like the NDIS and childcare and pumped hydro and not developing a fuel industry
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Reply #6 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:01pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 3:47pm:
tallowood wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:52pm:
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And what about oil for Europe.
Donny has cut them off from the middle east.

They have 2 choices.
Grovel to donny or. GROVEL TO PUTIN.
yes, they may have to suck up to Russia to keep their economy going.


Not only oil but also gas and fertilizers for EU WOKE idiots  Wink




It's inexcusable for australia, which is at the very end of long and intricate supply chains to not be energy self sufficient.
Currently renewables contribute less then 10 % of our energy needs.

If america can be self sufficient in fuel and in fertilizer, we certainly can.

The truth is oil is going to be rationed and the countries with the biggest currency reserves ( China Korea japan ) , will have the cash to buy the tankers as they fill up in Singapore and we will have to print enormous amounts of cash to compete.

This will see a massive surge in inflation at the very least , undoubtedly a recession , and probable rationing of fuel and food.


Whilst america under trump , makes cash as an oil exporter.

It's not " being in a cult " to recognize how foolish albonese and successive governments have been.


Funding BS projects like the NDIS and childcare and pumped hydro and not developing a fuel industry


You're raging about fuel security now, but where was that concern when Bill Shorten took a policy to the election to expand domestic fuel reserves to 90 days and begin rebuilding local refining capacity, the very vulnerability you're suddenly pretending to care about?

Those refineries didn't vanish by accident. They were hollowed out under the exact "free market" settings you've spent years defending, where companies offshore production to chase margins and leave the country exposed. That's not some unforeseeable failure, it's the direct outcome of the model you backed.

So which is it?

You can't demand energy self-sufficiency while opposing the kind of state intervention required to achieve it. Rebuilding refining, mandating reserves, restructuring supply chains, all of that requires regulation, public investment, and government direction. The very things you routinely rail against.

And if for some reason you did get on board, if you lived long enough, you'd demand the entities created to achive this be privatised and we've be back to square one.

Spare the attempt to blame Anthony Albanese for structural issues that were ignored, or actively entrenched, long before he took office.

If this actually mattered to you, you'd have supported the policies designed to address it when they were on the table. You didn't. You backed the alternative, and now you're complaining about the consequences.

Make it make sense.
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Reply #7 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:01pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 3:47pm:
tallowood wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:52pm:
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And what about oil for Europe.
Donny has cut them off from the middle east.

They have 2 choices.
Grovel to donny or. GROVEL TO PUTIN.
yes, they may have to suck up to Russia to keep their economy going.


Not only oil but also gas and fertilizers for EU WOKE idiots  Wink




It's inexcusable for australia, which is at the very end of long and intricate supply chains to not be energy self sufficient.
Currently renewables contribute less then 10 % of our energy needs.

If america can be self sufficient in fuel and in fertilizer, we certainly can.

The truth is oil is going to be rationed and the countries with the biggest currency reserves ( China Korea japan ) , will have the cash to buy the tankers as they fill up in Singapore and we will have to print enormous amounts of cash to compete.

This will see a massive surge in inflation at the very least , undoubtedly a recession , and probable rationing of fuel and food.


Whilst america under trump , makes cash as an oil exporter.

It's not " being in a cult " to recognize how foolish albonese and successive governments have been.


Funding BS projects like the NDIS and childcare and pumped hydro and not developing a fuel industry


We could not agree more, dear.

But have no fear: the ACT and South Australia should be good to go by 2030. Plug in your EV and you'll be fine.

Jim's budget's sure to include lots of charging stations up the East Coast too. Trucking companies are making the move to electric, it's all systems go.

So keep calm and carry on. The last thing we needed is any leftie hysteria - certainly not for us students of the Superior Man, anyway.

We're just unbiased observers, no?
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Reply #8 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:08pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:01pm:
aquascoot wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 3:47pm:
tallowood wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:52pm:
Quote:
And what about oil for Europe.
Donny has cut them off from the middle east.

They have 2 choices.
Grovel to donny or. GROVEL TO PUTIN.
yes, they may have to suck up to Russia to keep their economy going.


Not only oil but also gas and fertilizers for EU WOKE idiots  Wink




It's inexcusable for australia, which is at the very end of long and intricate supply chains to not be energy self sufficient.
Currently renewables contribute less then 10 % of our energy needs.

If america can be self sufficient in fuel and in fertilizer, we certainly can.

The truth is oil is going to be rationed and the countries with the biggest currency reserves ( China Korea japan ) , will have the cash to buy the tankers as they fill up in Singapore and we will have to print enormous amounts of cash to compete.

This will see a massive surge in inflation at the very least , undoubtedly a recession , and probable rationing of fuel and food.


Whilst america under trump , makes cash as an oil exporter.

It's not " being in a cult " to recognize how foolish albonese and successive governments have been.


Funding BS projects like the NDIS and childcare and pumped hydro and not developing a fuel industry


You're raging about fuel security now, but where was that concern when Bill Shorten took a policy to the election to expand domestic fuel reserves to 90 days and begin rebuilding local refining capacity, the very vulnerability you're suddenly pretending to care about?

Those refineries didn't vanish by accident. They were hollowed out under the exact "free market" settings you've spent years defending, where companies offshore production to chase margins and leave the country exposed. That's not some unforeseeable failure, it's the direct outcome of the model you backed.

So which is it?

You can't demand energy self-sufficiency while opposing the kind of state intervention required to achieve it. Rebuilding refining, mandating reserves, restructuring supply chains, all of that requires regulation, public investment, and government direction. The very things you routinely rail against.

And if for some reason you did get on board, if you lived long enough, you'd demand the entities created to achive this be privatised and we've be back to square one.

Spare the attempt to blame Anthony Albanese for structural issues that were ignored, or actively entrenched, long before he took office.

If this actually mattered to you, you'd have supported the policies designed to address it when they were on the table. You didn't. You backed the alternative, and now you're complaining about the consequences.

Make it make sense.


Excuse me, I find this statement deeply unfair and personally abhorrent, Sad.

Aquascoot has been addressing our future energy needs for years. At the last election, he personally advocated nuclear power.

Best to put a station under Parliament House, he said. That should do the trick.

RIGGED WITCH HUNT !!!
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Reply #9 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:08pm
 
Trump hasn’t won a single thing from his war against Iran. American military members have died (which Americans always hate back home), American military equipment has been destroyed and munition stocks are being depleted at an alarming rate. The previously open Strait of Hormuz is now closed and reportedly mined by Iran, providing Iran with important leverage to hold over the entire world. The cost of oil (and by association fuels) has skyrocketed to unseen levels, putting further financial strain on already struggling families and businesses in Australia, the United States and nearly every country around the world because of the closure of this vital waterway. The leadership of Iran is still intact and the regime still has an iron grip over the country and its citizens, so no regime change to be seen. Trump is destroying relationships with allied leaders around the world because they didn’t come to back him up in a war he didn’t forewarn them about but now expects them to clean up.

So in short, Trump hasn’t won a damn thing. In fact, one can easily argue that he’s backed himself (and the United States) into a corner from which he is unable to come out of. Loser!!!
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Reply #10 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:27pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:08pm:
Trump hasn’t won a single thing from his war against Iran.
American military members have died (which Americans always hate back home), American military equipment has been destroyed and munition stocks are being depleted at an alarming rate.
The previously open Strait of Hormuz is now closed and reportedly mined by Iran, providing Iran with important leverage to hold over the entire world.
The cost of oil (and by association fuels) has skyrocketed to unseen levels, putting further financial strain on already struggling families and businesses in Australia, the United States and nearly every country around the world because of the closure of this vital waterway.
The leadership of Iran is still intact and the regime still has an iron grip over the country and its citizens, so no regime change to be seen.
Trump is destroying relationships with allied leaders around the world because they didn’t come to back him up in a war he didn’t forewarn them about but now expects them to clean up.

So in short, Trump hasn’t won a damn thing. In fact, one can easily argue that he’s backed himself (and the United States) into a corner from which he is unable to come out of. Loser!!!



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Reply #11 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:46pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:27pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:08pm:
Trump hasn’t won a single thing from his war against Iran.
American military members have died (which Americans always hate back home), American military equipment has been destroyed and munition stocks are being depleted at an alarming rate.
The previously open Strait of Hormuz is now closed and reportedly mined by Iran, providing Iran with important leverage to hold over the entire world.
The cost of oil (and by association fuels) has skyrocketed to unseen levels, putting further financial strain on already struggling families and businesses in Australia, the United States and nearly every country around the world because of the closure of this vital waterway.
The leadership of Iran is still intact and the regime still has an iron grip over the country and its citizens, so no regime change to be seen.
Trump is destroying relationships with allied leaders around the world because they didn’t come to back him up in a war he didn’t forewarn them about but now expects them to clean up.

So in short, Trump hasn’t won a damn thing. In fact, one can easily argue that he’s backed himself (and the United States) into a corner from which he is unable to come out of. Loser!!!



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Nonsense. Armchair mentioned the US prez - in a most disrespectful tone if I might add.

You modern classic leftists shouldn't do this, Sprint, it's rude. If you wanted Donnie to go away, you'd do best to ignore him

Better yet, express your admiration and praise everything he does.

It would be the "scholarly" thing to do, no?
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Reply #12 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 6:47pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:27pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:08pm:
Trump hasn’t won a single thing from his war against Iran.
American military members have died (which Americans always hate back home), American military equipment has been destroyed and munition stocks are being depleted at an alarming rate.
The previously open Strait of Hormuz is now closed and reportedly mined by Iran, providing Iran with important leverage to hold over the entire world.
The cost of oil (and by association fuels) has skyrocketed to unseen levels, putting further financial strain on already struggling families and businesses in Australia, the United States and nearly every country around the world because of the closure of this vital waterway.
The leadership of Iran is still intact and the regime still has an iron grip over the country and its citizens, so no regime change to be seen.
Trump is destroying relationships with allied leaders around the world because they didn’t come to back him up in a war he didn’t forewarn them about but now expects them to clean up.

So in short, Trump hasn’t won a damn thing. In fact, one can easily argue that he’s backed himself (and the United States) into a corner from which he is unable to come out of. Loser!!!



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Nonsense. Armchair mentioned the US prez - in a most disrespectful tone if I might add.

You modern classic leftists shouldn't do this, Sprint, it's rude. If you wanted Donnie to go away, you'd do best to ignore him

Better yet, express your admiration and praise everything he does.

It would be the "scholarly" thing to do, no?


I’m not going to speak about him in a respectful tone when he has absolutely zero respect for the office he currently occupies and uses to benefit himself, his family and rich friends to the detriment of everyone else. He speaks down to anyone who disagrees with him, frequently using derogatory nicknames and resorting to sexist and racist comments. He’s nothing more than a bully who loves to throw his weight around. That’s all he is. He is pathetic and the worst thing to happen to US politics and the sooner he’s gone from the political scene the better off the entire world will be - especially America.

Besides all that, nothing I said was disrespectful, but for his supporters, I guess the truth really does hurt!
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Reply #13 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 7:35pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 6:47pm:
Big Donger wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:46pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:27pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 5:08pm:
Trump hasn’t won a single thing from his war against Iran.
American military members have died (which Americans always hate back home), American military equipment has been destroyed and munition stocks are being depleted at an alarming rate.
The previously open Strait of Hormuz is now closed and reportedly mined by Iran, providing Iran with important leverage to hold over the entire world.
The cost of oil (and by association fuels) has skyrocketed to unseen levels, putting further financial strain on already struggling families and businesses in Australia, the United States and nearly every country around the world because of the closure of this vital waterway.
The leadership of Iran is still intact and the regime still has an iron grip over the country and its citizens, so no regime change to be seen.
Trump is destroying relationships with allied leaders around the world because they didn’t come to back him up in a war he didn’t forewarn them about but now expects them to clean up.

So in short, Trump hasn’t won a damn thing. In fact, one can easily argue that he’s backed himself (and the United States) into a corner from which he is unable to come out of. Loser!!!



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Nonsense. Armchair mentioned the US prez - in a most disrespectful tone if I might add.

You modern classic leftists shouldn't do this, Sprint, it's rude. If you wanted Donnie to go away, you'd do best to ignore him

Better yet, express your admiration and praise everything he does.

It would be the "scholarly" thing to do, no?


I’m not going to speak about him in a respectful tone when he has absolutely zero respect for the office he currently occupies and uses to benefit himself, his family and rich friends to the detriment of everyone else. He speaks down to anyone who disagrees with him, frequently using derogatory nicknames and resorting to sexist and racist comments. He’s nothing more than a bully who loves to throw his weight around. That’s all he is. He is pathetic and the worst thing to happen to US politics and the sooner he’s gone from the political scene the better off the entire world will be - especially America.

Besides all that, nothing I said was disrespectful, but for his supporters, I guess the truth really does hurt!


Not at all, dear, we're just students of the "narrow path to success".

Drill baby drill Donnie has raised gas pump prices, making Big Oil and Vlad richer. Add in the crude in Venezuela, rusting away because Big Oil won't touch it.

Donnie saved his country a trillion by winding back NATO, then blew it all invading Iran, depleting America's missile reserves bombing schoolgirls.

In return, Iran decided to shut down the Strait, so we have two choices:

Transition to renewable energy, or GROVEL TO THE MULLAHS.

Yes, we may have to suck up to Singapore and Japan to keep our oil supply going.

In fact, we'll need to realign our global trade strategy, keeping well away from America, who've tariffed the entire world. We now have free trade deals with the EU, India and Japan. Canada and Mexico are sniffing around, looking for new friends. Chi-na is on the rise.

He who laughs last laughs loudest, no?
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