MattE wrote on Apr 12^th, 2026 at 11:29pm:



The Muslim-Jew problem is a religious war that has been going on for 1400 years.

I can't see it ending anytime soon muslims have a religious duty to slaughter the jews.

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Preacher in video says Jews would still be a target even if they didn't occupy Palestine.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 12^th, 2026 at 11:53pm:

The Muslim(Arab)-Jew problem is a religio-ethnic war that has been going on since the mid-20th century.

It is predicated on Ze'ev Jabotinsky's version of Zionism, which he outlined in his 'The Iron Wall' in the early 1920s.

Since the mid-20th century, Arabs believed they had a duty to resist by any means possible the perceived invasion by foreigners (largely European Jews) of Palestine, which Arabs believe had been taken from them by foreign invaders.

Historically, for most of the last 2000 years, it has been European Christians who believed they had a religious duty to persecute and slaughter the jews.

The ISLAMISTS are fighting a propaganda war [i.e. a verbal/communication war.....based in lies and misconceptions].

The propaganda war....
It is a tactic...to enable the ISLAMISTS to weaken the resolve....of those whom the ISLAMISTS are assailed against.

The ISLAMISTS have been fighting this very same propaganda war, for 1,400 years.

[i.e. the ISLAMISTS do have a successful 'play book'.
TO WIN, all the ISLAMISTS must do....is follow the learned principles,
of their own WARFARE 'PLAY BOOK'.]


It is a propaganda war which involves....sophistry and blatant deceit.

And......if you [a secular 'tribe'] choose-to be 'overcome' by the sofistry and the blatant deceit of the ISLAMISTS,
it will be, because you choose to attribute fairness to your enemy [the ISLAMISTS].

And, in the end, the secular 'tribe' will get tired, of this constant 'friction'.....and say;
'What is the point of fighting an enemy, who is virtuous and fair ?'


That is, and has been the battle strategy of the ISLAMISTS for 1,400 years.

And ISLAMISTS in those 1,400 years, have defeated many enemies,
and then overwhelmed them.

And........only after the secular 'tribe' have been defeated.....do the secular 'tribe' come to realise,
that when the ISLAMISTS said 'We want peace, and fairness'.......
what the ISLAMISTS really meant was.......
that PEACE [and justice], comes only from submission to ISLAM....and submission to ISLAMIC law.......


Dictionary,
sophistry = = the use of fallacious arguments, especially to deceive.

ISLAM, moslems, define 'peace' as submission to ISLAM.




WAKE UP PEOPLE

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https://jihadwatch.org/2025/12/australians-for-palestine-top-dog-melbourne-is-ou...

https://jihadwatch.org/




Yadda said......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1772006479/12#12

Quote:
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/22452/understanding-iran-regime

[the whole article is just a click away.]



When will secularists, in this world, in 2026, come to accept......that we [secularists] cannot reason with an ISLAMIST.

Why so ?

Because.....it is not ISLAMICALLY LAWFUL for a devout ISLAMIST, to construct and agree to,
any arrangement,
where a devout ISLAMIST agrees to permanently cede [civil] 'authority',
to a [majority supported] secular [and un-ISLAMIC] political authority.

That circumstance....is always.....HARAM.


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[FROM MY ARCHIVE....]




Quote:

SAYYID QUTB - ISLAMIC scholar
http://www.islamworld.net/justice.html

or, WWW search;
"THE RIGHT TO JUDGE" SAYYID QUTB



i.e.
"The 'Jahiliyya' lifestyle is totally incompatible with ISLAM."

And in fact, to devout moslems, the mere existence of non-moslem communities/states
is viewed as insulting to the authority of Allah.
...because you see, ISLAMIC religious doctrine.....teaches, that moslems 'deserve' to have 'authority', to rule the whole world.....for Allah.



Jahiliyya is a result of the lack of Sharia [ISLAMIC Law]...

Quote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahiliyya#Jahiliyya_in_contemporary_society

Israel is condemned to war all the time, of its own making.

Its mission to build greater Israel requires that it must capture more territory and expel or harass out the majority of its non-Jewish population, including Muslims and Christians.

The last Israeli PM who advocated territory-surrender for peace was assassinated by a Jew.

Both Israel and the Iranians have an Armageddon feel to them.

Israel celebrates as hero's the Israelis who died to the last man defending some castle against the Romans or the Muslims, I forget which.

And the Iranian leadership have a definite flavour of going out in a blaze of glory.

Donny himself gives me the vibe that he would rather go out in a cataclysmic event then drooling ice cream in a nursing home like Joe.

All in all, these forces of destruction are very attracted to each other.

Just like some angry people are always getting into fights.

It's all about the vibes.

Donny is probably going to decide if the war goes full beast mode.

Ironic that the future safety and comfort of billions of entitled chodes rests with the big fella.

They are powerless to stop him ending their entitlement.

And still they think they are so smart making fun of him

I find their naivety breath takingly ignorant 

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 20^th, 2026 at 8:59am:


You are confused.

Israel's seizure of the Sinai,
came as a result of the 1967, SIX DAY WAR.

Yadda wrote on Apr 20^th, 2026 at 10:41am:

Dig deeper... it'll take you 3 seconds...

Yadda wrote on Apr 20^th, 2026 at 11:09am:

The Sinai Peninsula was militarily occupied by Israel twice since the beginning of the Arab–Israeli conflict: the first occupation lasted from October 1956 to March 1957, when Israeli troops withdrew from Egypt due to US international pressure.

After the 1967 capture of the Sinai, the US applied diplomatic pressure for Israel to enter peace negotiations with Egypt and to offer the Sinai in return. The Carter administration intensified that pressure and brokered the peace deal, which resulted in the Sinai's return to Egypt and a peace treaty between Israel and Egypt.

So Israel has been attacked multiple times by multiple Muslim countries, for no other reason that they are Jewish. It has won every single time. And every single time, it has handed back all the territory, remaining a very small nation. Yet someone in the minds of the Jew haters, this becomes an even more sinister Jewish conspiracy to take over the world.

On the one hand we have frothing-at-the-mouth Muslim extremists who openly admit they hate Jews and want to wipe out Israel, and want the war to continue, no matter how absurd their losses. On the other hand we have democratic, free Israel, with a population that is tired of war and tired of being attacked, that is still a tiny little outpost of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth. But still it is the cunning, scheming Jews that are the problem.

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It's because they are considered Jews, and Muslims believe the land is "owned" by Islam and must therefor be ruled by Islam. Most of them are either locals or were forced out of neighbouring Muslim countries. It is not the "invasion" they have a problem with, but their lack of submission to Islam. You are projecting your own views onto this, but you only need to listen to what Muslims say.

We had Muslim converts right here on this forum, with absolutely no historical attachment to the region, who insisted the war against Israel must continue, regardless of the cost, because Allah has ordained inevitable victory over non-Muslims. Not just in Israel, but in Spain which is also "owned" by Islam. This has nothing to do with who invaded what. The Spanish are no more invaders in Spain than the Jews are in Israel. It is the historical Muslim conquest that justifies conquest. It is all about religion. If Israel had come into existence without a single Jew immigrating to the area, the Muslims would still be frothing at the mouth with fury over the insult to their religion.

The Muslims are addicted to war, because they believe that war and victory are ordained for them by Allah. The Israelis have established a liberal democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth. Despite being attacked multiple times and winning every time, they handed back the massive territory they won. Because they are not addicted to war.

I have never heard a Muslim complain about the Jews invading, but if that is what you actually heard, you misunderstood and thought the invasion bit was the problem. It isn't. It is the Jewish part. Muslims have been fighting each other ever since Muhammad died. Pretty much every nation and every border in the Muslim world was created by the west. Muslims don't care, because Muslims are in charge. When one of these nations invades the other, Muslims in the rest of the world don't care, unless one is Shite and one is Sunni. Muslims have actually been assisting the invasion of Muslim lands by non-Muslims for the entire history of Islam, in the form of the Islamic slave trade. Again, they don't care, because it is ordained by Islam, governed by Islam and dominated by Islam, and they get to pretty much forcibly convert the slaves to Islam.

At least, they don't care as much as they do about Israel. But when ISIS promised to re-establish the Caliphate and slaughtered their way across the middle east, Muslims from around the world leant their support, the same way they do in the effort to slaughter Jews. Not because they were fighting off an invasion, but because they were fighting for Islamic rule. It is not enough to have Muslims in charge, it has to be a proper Islamic state.

You do not understand this, so you project your own western view in order to come up with an explanation that you do understand. Stop expecting their actions to make sense to you. They only have to make sense to Islam, because Islam is what motivates them.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 9:04am:

If you're going to refer to Islamic religious tradition, you need to include Jewish religious tradition, which has Yahweh commanding the same thing.

Your lack of awareness of ancient religious traditions, which has the gods warring among each other and having their dominance proved by their human followers, is obvious.

On handing back territory, Israel returns territory only on the insistence of the US. It has not handed back significant portions of the territory it captured in 1967, nor East Jerusalem, nor the Golan Heights.

When Israel embarked on a military adventure in 1956 with Britain and France, it captured the Sinai Peninsula for the first time, which it handed back a few months later on the orders of the US.

After the 1967 capture of the Sinai, it was the US, not Israel, that crafted the peace negotiations with Egypt, with Sinai on the table.

Israel has won all wars waged against it, only with the crucial assistance of the US since at least 1967.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:02am:

So you've gone from "Most of them are either locals or were forced out of neighbouring Muslim countries", to "Nearly half", so you're making progress... at least for now... no doubt you'll regress in later posts.

Your inclusion of North Africa is your hedge... the countries of which are not neighbouring countries.

Morocco is a good example of Jewish migration from North Africa. Very large numbers of Moroccan Jews migrated to Israel between 1948 and 1971... so after the creation of Israel.

The next task in your educational progress: You need to come to terms with the fact that at least 75% of Jewish migration from the Middle East and North Africa to Palestine/Israel occurred after Israel declared independence.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:25am:

Well, that was a quick regression! You're bask to "Most" from "Nearly half"...

It's not hard to research these figures. Pre-1948 Jewish migration to Palestine from Middle Eastern countries is estimated st about 25%.

How about you think about this... why would Jews residing in Middle Eastern Muslim regions migrate to pre-1948 Palestine, another Muslim region, before they could be confident of protection by the ruling state?

Before 1948, the UN's support for Jewish enclaves was not assured.

US and European backing for them was not assured.

Convincing militant Zionist victories over Arabs in Palestine had not been achieved.

Israel did not yet exist.

The region was exploding in violence, the outcome of which was unknown.

Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.

You claimed:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 9:44am:


You are either deliberately lying, or incredibly gullible.

You are also incapable of making a point. Are you just here to whinge about the sad facts of history?

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It is an effort to get you to make a point. What is your point Meister?

If they were not Jews, would you and all your fellow deluded Jew haters be insisting that a country having it's own immigration policy is some kind of crime against humanity?

I have given you examples of Aussie Muslim converts right here in this forum, supporting ongoing war, because the glorious Muslim victory over the Jews is necessary and inevitable. On the other hand Israel has created a beacon freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth. After being slaughtered in Europe and ethnically cleansed from the middle east and north africa, they now give the large Arab Muslim population of Israel more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. So which group do you think is actually addicted to war?

You are not stating the facts. You are bullshitting.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 9:44am:


You are either deliberately lying, or incredibly gullible. You are also incapable of making a point. Are you just here to whinge about the sad facts of history? Facts that aren't actually facts, but lies about Jews?

What is your point Meister?

If they were not Jews, would you and all your fellow deluded Jew haters be insisting that a country having it's own immigration policy is some kind of crime against humanity?

I have given you examples of Aussie Muslim converts right here in this forum, supporting ongoing war, because the glorious Muslim victory over the Jews is necessary and inevitable. On the other hand Israel has created a beacon freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth. After being slaughtered in Europe and ethnically cleansed from the middle east and north africa, they now give the large Arab Muslim population of Israel more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. So which group do you think is actually addicted to war?

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The root cause is Islam. It has 1400 years of history, all telling the same story.

Islam is why they hate Jews. Islam is why they want to destroy Israel. No other explanation is necessary. It would make absolutely no difference what the history was. Even if 100% of the Jews in Israel were local born and could trace their ancestry in Israel back to Adam and Eve, Muslims would still want to kill them. Because they are Jews.

As an exercise and as research for you extends only to other posters on this site, use your 'common sense' approach, but apply honesty as a novelty for you, to consider this.

Why would Jews residing in Middle Eastern Muslim regions migrate to pre-1948 Palestine, another Muslim region, before they could be confident of protection by the ruling state?

Before 1948, the UN's support for Jewish enclaves was not assured.

US and European backing for them was not assured.

Convincing militant Zionist victories over Arabs in Palestine had not been achieved.

Israel did not yet exist.

The region was exploding in violence, the outcome of which was unknown.

Would you have moved your family from relative peace and from a people you at least knew into a dangerous war zone?

European Jews had lost everything and nothing to lose... Middle Eastern Jews had everything to lose before 1948.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:11am:

Add to that the fact that British Mandate forces were actively, and even violently, discouraging Jewish migration into Palestine.

The only Jews determined to migrate to Israel during this period were European Jews who were being ferried by militant Zionists from European ports by their tens of thousands, having lost everything, most having lost their entire families, let alone everything they owned.

All Arabs at some time came from Arabia and there they should return unless they prepare to abide by  law of host country.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:41am:


What you erroneously call "the creation of greater Israel" in fact is recreation of historical Israel.

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:46am:

What do you mean by historical Israel? There was a historical Israel, Judea and Samaria within the region. Historically, they were in conflict with each other.

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:52am:

No, but, like the Arabs, they are not socio-culturally or religiously united. As neither are Africans nor Europeans, for that matter.

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:58am:

Were they? And you know that because...?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:59am:


Why do you think lands o Arabs called Arabia?

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:06pm:


It is called Arab peninsula the place where Arabs came from.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:27pm:


Arab peoples and tribes origin is in Arabia.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:33pm:


Shame on you for for not knowing these elementary things   

FD,
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No - we have mass uncontrolled immigration.

Israel doesn't.

If you don't think that Israel setting it's own immigration policy is the root cause of the problem, why did you insist that you were telling us about the root cause of the problem when you started bitching about Jews immigrating to Israel after it declared independence? Have you changed your mind yet again about what point you are trying to make?

If that is not the root cause of the problem, would you like to tell us what is? Or did you decide to start telling us what the root cause is before figuring out what the root cause is?

Is it something to do with them insisting on being alive, and Jewish? Given that the west recently created every single border in the middle east and north africa, why do you think it is the line around Israel that makes Muslims froth at the mouth?

Do you think it might have the same root cause as what motivated so many Aussie Muslims to join ISIS and rape and pillage their way across the middle east in the name of Islam, despite having no historical or traditional connection to the place?

Or are you going to be really clever and refuse to tell us now?

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Aye, but the Jews had to go somewhere, despite the hopes of Muslims that they would just crawl away and die.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 4:34pm:

I will highlight this post so you can see it.

My focus has always been on immigration into Palestine before it became a state in 1948, when other states could no longer restrict immigration into the region.

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Are you really incapable of figuring this one out yourself?

Just because Muslims chase you out of their country doesn't mean you can pick any country on earth to become a citizen of.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 4:46pm:

Yes, you farted that meme out before:

Of course, you haven't bothered to check who did the expelling, when and why.

I did. I will repost it.

Arab states responding to Zionist/Israeli actions in Israel and undeclared (occupied) Palestine

Egypt - 1956
Syria - 1948
Iran - 1979 (after the Iranian Revolution)
Iraq - 1950
Lebanon - 1948
Morocco - 1948 (A French and Spanish Protectorate until 1956)
Yemen - 1949 (After a coup in 1948)
Algeria - 1962
Libya - 1945 (under British and French military occupation until 1951)
Tunisia - 1956 (under France until March 1956)
Gaza - 2005 (when Israel forcibly removed Jewish settlers in Gaza)

Two year-dates feature prominently -1948 (as discussed) and 1956, the year of the Suez Canal crisis, when Britain, France and Israel allied to attempt to seize control of the Suez Canal.

Nearly all the other dates are non-Muslim Western overlords expelling Jews.

There was no 'Palestinian Liberation Movement' against the Ottomans or the various Islamic caliphates before them or against the Byzantines.
Nor against Egypt in Gaza or Jordan in the WB before 1967.


The unabating bellyache is about the Jews, not foreign rule as such. It is a slap in the face of Islam, Mohammed and the Koran that the Jews re-conquered a previously Muslim-conquered and occupied area.

Once Muslim, always Muslim. That's why Muslims believe that Southern Spain, Al Aldaluse, is rightfully still  theirs.
As is Lakemba and Greenacre, insh'allah.

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 5:21pm:

It is via religious tradition that Jews insist gives them sovereignty over the region in perpetuity... a god from the Iron Age 'promising' land to his Iron Age followers.

You have completely detached from reality Meister. None of your arguments or "root causes" stand up to inspection. They all disappear in a puff of long winded hot air. Now you don't even have the balls to say what your "root cause" is. Just hint at it, because you are afraid to admit that you think being Jewish is all the explanation that is needed. Every good thing the Jews have done gets attributed to you by foreign, non-Jewish pressure on the Jews. At the same time, you can make up any Nazi-esque conspiracy you want about the Jews, and it does not need to reflect reality, because again you can put that down to foreign non-Jewish intervention, or a simple lack of ability of the Jews to do whatever "real agenda" you project on them - despite fighting off multi-nation armies from the outset.

The reality is that they have created a wealthy, liberal democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth. They did this straight after the holocaust, and while middle eastern and north african countries were having their own final solution, and while neighbouring Arab Mulim nations were trying to slaughter them. They granted local Arab Muslims more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than any other middle eastern or north african country. This is the reality. This is the fruit that tells you the true nature of the tree.

Meanwhile, not only are the actions of Muslims consistent with Islam as the root cause, their words are too. Even when Aussie Muslim converts with no grievance or link to the area come on here and explain to you in plain English why they support ongoing war and that Islam is their motivation, you insist that is somehow not even evidence. But again, you didn't have the balls to follow through with that one. Your ability to filter out overwhelming evidence to suit your hatred of Jews is phenomenal.



Why is it that only Jews become the "root cause" of efforts to wipe them out by doing that same thing that millions of others have done?

I'll help you out Meister. This is what being open and honest about what you think the root cause is looks like:

The root cause is Islam.

One the other hand, waffling on about how the root cause can be traced back to various historical details while you tiptoe around the fact that them being Jewish is the only cohesive part of your story, with all the grace of a sumo wrestler in a tutu trying to be a ballerina - is not honesty. It is transparent BS.

6 pages in, and you still don't have the balls to get to the point. What are you afraid of?

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 5:49pm:


Wrong: the root cause is the confiscation of land by an 'infidel' invader, made possible for the first time in history by an international body - the UN.

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What don't you understand about confiscation/colonization of land against one's will?

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 5:49pm:

The root cause, to boil it down to a few words, is:

The European mass murder of Jews... Not only the Holocaust as the worst example, but 2000 years of it, culminating in the Holocaust.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 6:04pm:

Had the Holocaust not happened, most (if not all) of the German- Polish-Jewish former Polish/ German ex-military would not have bolstered and commanded the Revisionist Zionists, giving it the overwhelming and lethal edge that it had.

Had these German and Polish Jews become national heroes in Germany and Poland for their military actions and courage against the Soviets, they would not have been incentivised to give up European life for a piece of desert in the first place.

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I think that Net N Yahoo certainly is.

I think that their terrorist Group the IDF certaainly is.

But the general population I suspect are just normal people who hate what is happening.

Israel is Jewish

Judea is Jewish
Jesus, Paul, John, Mark, Luke, all Jews. David, Saul, Jews.

Jews, Jews, Jews.

Conqured by Romans, Byzantines, Crusaders, Abbasids, Ottomans - all gone. Jews still going.

If the Jews can't be at home in Judea, where CAN they be at home?

The Muslim claim of 'once Muslim always Muslim' is insufficient. They are conquering blow-ins with no better claim than that they are the last conquering invaders.

The Jews were the first (of still existing conquerors). 
Israel is a case of RE-conquista. The Muslims have no valid claim to Israel.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 9:28pm:

An idiotic question.

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 6:01pm:


If the root cause has nothing to do with Islam, why do you use the word 'infidel' when telling us what the real root cause is?

Or is infidel just your polite word for Jew? You are allowed to call them Jews. They don't consider it offensive.

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2026 at 3:19am:

So, you're unfamiliar with the concept of root cause... Not surprising...

And the root cause of Christians being harassed out of the West Bank is what? Judaism?

Palestinian Christians are being pushed out from the West Bank, especially through settler violence, land seizure, demolitions, movement restrictions, economic strangulation, and intimidation.

tallowood wrote on Apr 29^th, 2026 at 8:19am:






tallowood,

Hezbollah in Lebanon..........and HAMAS in Gaza.....

With the resources WHICH THEY DID EXPEND [use] [$100's of millions ?? ],
how many hospitals
or old people homes
could Hezbollah or HAMAS have constructed
[i.e. for the BENEFIT of their own communities] ???


Hezbollah and HAMAS.

Demented, idiots.


demented = =
1 suffering from dementia.
2 wild and irrational.

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2026 at 11:00am:

And the root cause of the Eureka Rebellion was what? Americanism?