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Reply #75 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 6:01pm

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 5:49pm:

I'll help you out Meister. This is what being open and honest about what you think the root cause is looks like:

The root cause is Islam.

Wrong: the root cause is the confiscation of land by an 'infidel' invader, made possible for the first time in history by an international body - the UN.

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One the other hand, waffling on about how the root cause can be traced back to various historical details while you tiptoe around the fact that them being Jewish is the only cohesive part of your story, with all the grace of a sumo wrestler in a tutu trying to be a ballerina - is not honesty. It is transparent BS.

6 pages in, and you still don't have the balls to get to the point. What are you afraid of?

What don't you understand about confiscation/colonization of land against one's will?

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Reply #76 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 6:04pm

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 5:36pm:

None of your arguments or "root causes" stand up to inspection. They all disappear in a puff of long winded hot air. Now you don't even have the balls to say what your "root cause" is.

Not only do they stand up to inspection, but they are also directly transcribed from documented historical facts.

Not only do I have the balls to say what that root cause is, But I have posted them here:

Revisionist Zionism, greatly bolstered and emboldened by early 20th-century European persecution and murders (stratospherically after the Holocaust) of Jews, determined that a Jewish homeland would be established by all means necessary, regardless of the brutal means needed to cleanse the region of its current inhabitants, including forced expulsion or murder.

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Reply #77 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 6:08pm

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 5:49pm:

I'll help you out Meister. This is what being open and honest about what you think the root cause is looks like:

The root cause is Islam.

The root cause, to boil it down to a few words, is:

The European mass murder of Jews... Not only the Holocaust as the worst example, but 2000 years of it, culminating in the Holocaust.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17122 Gender:	Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war? Reply #78 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 6:11pm thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 6:01pm: What don't you understand about confiscation/colonization of land against one's will? He has the comprehension of a 15-year-old and the fixation of one - to die on his hill of bullshit when he realises he's cornered himself.
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Reply #79 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 6:21pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 6:04pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 5:36pm:

None of your arguments or "root causes" stand up to inspection. They all disappear in a puff of long winded hot air. Now you don't even have the balls to say what your "root cause" is.

Not only do they stand up to inspection, but they are also directly transcribed from documented historical facts.

Not only do I have the balls to say what that root cause is, But I have posted them here:

Revisionist Zionism, greatly bolstered and emboldened by early 20th-century European persecution and murders (stratospherically after the Holocaust) of Jews, determined that a Jewish homeland would be established by all means necessary, regardless of the brutal means needed to cleanse the region of its current inhabitants, including forced expulsion or murder.

Had the Holocaust not happened, most (if not all) of the German- Polish-Jewish former Polish/ German ex-military would not have bolstered and commanded the Revisionist Zionists, giving it the overwhelming and lethal edge that it had.

Had these German and Polish Jews become national heroes in Germany and Poland for their military actions and courage against the Soviets, they would not have been incentivised to give up European life for a piece of desert in the first place.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17122 Gender:	Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war? Reply #80 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 6:33pm To rephrase the question, Is Israeli society addicted to war? Is the price of Revisionist Zionist success in 1948, the condemnation of all Israeli citizens to war all the time?
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 61650 Here Gender:	Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war? Reply #81 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 7:02pm Quote: Is Israeli society addicted to war? I think that Net N Yahoo certainly is. I think that their terrorist Group the IDF certaainly is. But the general population I suspect are just normal people who hate what is happening.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17122 Gender:	Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war? Reply #82 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 7:10pm Dnarever wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 7:02pm: Quote: Is Israeli society addicted to war? I think that Net N Yahoo certainly is. I think that their terrorist Group the IDF certaainly is. Netanyahu's Likud party is the direct political and ideological descendant of Revisionist Zionism.
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Reply #83 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 8:34pm

Israel is Jewish

Judea is Jewish
Jesus, Paul, John, Mark, Luke, all Jews. David, Saul, Jews.

Jews, Jews, Jews.

Conqured by Romans, Byzantines, Crusaders, Abbasids, Ottomans - all gone. Jews still going.

If the Jews can't be at home in Judea, where CAN they be at home?

The Muslim claim of 'once Muslim always Muslim' is insufficient. They are conquering blow-ins with no better claim than that they are the last conquering invaders.

The Jews were the first (of still existing conquerors).
Israel is a case of RE-conquista. The Muslims have no valid claim to Israel.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17122 Gender:	Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war? Reply #84 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 9:28pm Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 8:34pm: Israel is Jewish Should Palestinian Christians in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem be expelled?
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58227 Gender:	Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war? Reply #85 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:32pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 9:28pm: Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 8:34pm: Israel is Jewish Should Palestinian Christians in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem be expelled? An idiotic question.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17122 Gender:	Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war? Reply #86 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:45pm Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:32pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 9:28pm: Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 8:34pm: Israel is Jewish Should Palestinian Christians in the occupied West Bank and East Jerusalem be expelled? An idiotic question. It's happening.
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Reply #87 - Apr 29^th, 2026 at 3:18am

thegreatdivide wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 6:01pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 5:49pm:

I'll help you out Meister. This is what being open and honest about what you think the root cause is looks like:

The root cause is Islam.

Wrong: the root cause is the confiscation of land by an 'infidel' invader,

If the root cause has nothing to do with Islam, why do you use the word 'infidel' when telling us what the real root cause is?

Or is infidel just your polite word for Jew? You are allowed to call them Jews. They don't consider it offensive.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 53024 At my desk.	Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war? Reply #88 - Apr 29^th, 2026 at 3:19am Meister, have you worked up the courage to tell us what the root cause is? Are you being so coy about it because you are trying to figure out the polite way to say that you feel compelled to gun down Jew on the streets of Sydney because they fled Europe during the holocaust?
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Reply #89 - Apr 29^th, 2026 at 6:36am

freediver wrote on Apr 29^th, 2026 at 3:19am:

Meister, have you worked up the courage to tell us what the root cause is?

Are you being so coy about it because you are trying to figure out the polite way to say that you feel compelled to gun down Jew on the streets of Sydney because they fled Europe during the holocaust?

So, you're unfamiliar with the concept of root cause... Not surprising...

And the root cause of Christians being harassed out of the West Bank is what? Judaism?

Palestinian Christians are being pushed out from the West Bank, especially through settler violence, land seizure, demolitions, movement restrictions, economic strangulation, and intimidation.

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