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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #45 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:55am

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tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:36am:

All Arabs at some time came from Arabia and there they should return unless they prepare to abide by law of host country.

Similar to the Indians, Chinese or Southeast Asians, Arabs are not a unified people with a single socio-cultural origin; they are tribal and have lived within their tribal regions across the Middle East for millennia. The idea that they could migrate to regions not associated with their direct socio-cultural roots is ludicrous.

Do Indians, Chinese or Southeast Asians claim lands of Israel?

No, but, like the Arabs, they are not socio-culturally or religiously united. As neither are Africans nor Europeans, for that matter.

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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #46 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:58am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:48am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:41am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.

But the creation of greater Israel, that includes the formal and recognised inclusion of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and perhaps some of the Sinai, Jordan and Lebanon, requires war.

If they're not addicted to it, by pursuing the greater Israel cause, they're definitely condemning themselves and the region to it.

Also, given the idea of greater Israel has a world religious component to it, maybe Israel would be condemning us all to it.

What you erroneously call "the creation of greater Israel" in fact is recreation of historical Israel.

What do you mean by historical Israel? There was a historical Israel, Judea and Samaria within the region. Historically, they were in conflict with each other.

They were lands of Jews not Arabs.

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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #47 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:59am

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:48am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:41am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.

But the creation of greater Israel, that includes the formal and recognised inclusion of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and perhaps some of the Sinai, Jordan and Lebanon, requires war.

If they're not addicted to it, by pursuing the greater Israel cause, they're definitely condemning themselves and the region to it.

Also, given the idea of greater Israel has a world religious component to it, maybe Israel would be condemning us all to it.

What you erroneously call "the creation of greater Israel" in fact is recreation of historical Israel.

What do you mean by historical Israel? There was a historical Israel, Judea and Samaria within the region. Historically, they were in conflict with each other.

They were lands of Jews not Arabs.

Were they? And you know that because...?

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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #48 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:01pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:55am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:52am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:47am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:36am:

All Arabs at some time came from Arabia and there they should return unless they prepare to abide by law of host country.

Similar to the Indians, Chinese or Southeast Asians, Arabs are not a unified people with a single socio-cultural origin; they are tribal and have lived within their tribal regions across the Middle East for millennia. The idea that they could migrate to regions not associated with their direct socio-cultural roots is ludicrous.

Do Indians, Chinese or Southeast Asians claim lands of Israel?

No, but, like the Arabs, they are not socio-culturally or religiously united. As neither are Africans nor Europeans, for that matter.

That means that Arabs are not entitle to Israel, Judea and Samaria.

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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #49 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:04pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:59am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:48am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:41am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.

But the creation of greater Israel, that includes the formal and recognised inclusion of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and perhaps some of the Sinai, Jordan and Lebanon, requires war.

If they're not addicted to it, by pursuing the greater Israel cause, they're definitely condemning themselves and the region to it.

Also, given the idea of greater Israel has a world religious component to it, maybe Israel would be condemning us all to it.

What you erroneously call "the creation of greater Israel" in fact is recreation of historical Israel.

What do you mean by historical Israel? There was a historical Israel, Judea and Samaria within the region. Historically, they were in conflict with each other.

They were lands of Jews not Arabs.

Were they? And you know that because...?

Why do you think lands o Arabs called Arabia?

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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #50 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:06pm

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:59am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:48am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:41am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.

But the creation of greater Israel, that includes the formal and recognised inclusion of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and perhaps some of the Sinai, Jordan and Lebanon, requires war.

If they're not addicted to it, by pursuing the greater Israel cause, they're definitely condemning themselves and the region to it.

Also, given the idea of greater Israel has a world religious component to it, maybe Israel would be condemning us all to it.

What you erroneously call "the creation of greater Israel" in fact is recreation of historical Israel.

What do you mean by historical Israel? There was a historical Israel, Judea and Samaria within the region. Historically, they were in conflict with each other.

They were lands of Jews not Arabs.

Were they? And you know that because...?

Why do you think lands o Arabs called Arabia?

Ummm, because certain Arab tribes live there...

BTW it's called Saudi Arabia for a reason...

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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #51 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:09pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:06pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:59am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:48am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:41am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.

But the creation of greater Israel, that includes the formal and recognised inclusion of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and perhaps some of the Sinai, Jordan and Lebanon, requires war.

If they're not addicted to it, by pursuing the greater Israel cause, they're definitely condemning themselves and the region to it.

Also, given the idea of greater Israel has a world religious component to it, maybe Israel would be condemning us all to it.

What you erroneously call "the creation of greater Israel" in fact is recreation of historical Israel.

What do you mean by historical Israel? There was a historical Israel, Judea and Samaria within the region. Historically, they were in conflict with each other.

They were lands of Jews not Arabs.

Were they? And you know that because...?

Why do you think lands o Arabs called Arabia?

Ummm, because certain Arab tribes live there...

BTW it's called Saudi Arabia for a reason...

It is called Arab peninsula the place where Arabs came from.

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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #52 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:27pm

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:06pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:59am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:48am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:41am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.

But the creation of greater Israel, that includes the formal and recognised inclusion of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and perhaps some of the Sinai, Jordan and Lebanon, requires war.

If they're not addicted to it, by pursuing the greater Israel cause, they're definitely condemning themselves and the region to it.

Also, given the idea of greater Israel has a world religious component to it, maybe Israel would be condemning us all to it.

What you erroneously call "the creation of greater Israel" in fact is recreation of historical Israel.

What do you mean by historical Israel? There was a historical Israel, Judea and Samaria within the region. Historically, they were in conflict with each other.

They were lands of Jews not Arabs.

Were they? And you know that because...?

Why do you think lands o Arabs called Arabia?

Ummm, because certain Arab tribes live there...

BTW it's called Saudi Arabia for a reason...

It is called Arab peninsula the place where Arabs came from.

And apologies to all those Arab peoples and tribes whose origin is not in Saudi Arabia.

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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #53 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:31pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:27pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:06pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:59am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:48am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:41am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.

But the creation of greater Israel, that includes the formal and recognised inclusion of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and perhaps some of the Sinai, Jordan and Lebanon, requires war.

If they're not addicted to it, by pursuing the greater Israel cause, they're definitely condemning themselves and the region to it.

Also, given the idea of greater Israel has a world religious component to it, maybe Israel would be condemning us all to it.

What you erroneously call "the creation of greater Israel" in fact is recreation of historical Israel.

What do you mean by historical Israel? There was a historical Israel, Judea and Samaria within the region. Historically, they were in conflict with each other.

They were lands of Jews not Arabs.

Were they? And you know that because...?

Why do you think lands o Arabs called Arabia?

Ummm, because certain Arab tribes live there...

BTW it's called Saudi Arabia for a reason...

It is called Arab peninsula the place where Arabs came from.

And apologies to all those Arab peoples and tribes whose origin is not in Saudi Arabia.

Arab peoples and tribes origin is in Arabia.

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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #54 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:33pm

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:31pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:27pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:06pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:59am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:48am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:41am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.

But the creation of greater Israel, that includes the formal and recognised inclusion of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and perhaps some of the Sinai, Jordan and Lebanon, requires war.

If they're not addicted to it, by pursuing the greater Israel cause, they're definitely condemning themselves and the region to it.

Also, given the idea of greater Israel has a world religious component to it, maybe Israel would be condemning us all to it.

What you erroneously call "the creation of greater Israel" in fact is recreation of historical Israel.

What do you mean by historical Israel? There was a historical Israel, Judea and Samaria within the region. Historically, they were in conflict with each other.

They were lands of Jews not Arabs.

Were they? And you know that because...?

Why do you think lands o Arabs called Arabia?

Ummm, because certain Arab tribes live there...

BTW it's called Saudi Arabia for a reason...

It is called Arab peninsula the place where Arabs came from.

And apologies to all those Arab peoples and tribes whose origin is not in Saudi Arabia.

Arab peoples and tribes origin is in Arabia.

Where is Arabia?

Where is (greater) Mongolia?

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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #55 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:38pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:33pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:31pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:27pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:06pm:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 12:04pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:59am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:58am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:48am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:46am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:41am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.

But the creation of greater Israel, that includes the formal and recognised inclusion of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and perhaps some of the Sinai, Jordan and Lebanon, requires war.

If they're not addicted to it, by pursuing the greater Israel cause, they're definitely condemning themselves and the region to it.

Also, given the idea of greater Israel has a world religious component to it, maybe Israel would be condemning us all to it.

What you erroneously call "the creation of greater Israel" in fact is recreation of historical Israel.

What do you mean by historical Israel? There was a historical Israel, Judea and Samaria within the region. Historically, they were in conflict with each other.

They were lands of Jews not Arabs.

Were they? And you know that because...?

Why do you think lands o Arabs called Arabia?

Ummm, because certain Arab tribes live there...

BTW it's called Saudi Arabia for a reason...

It is called Arab peninsula the place where Arabs came from.

And apologies to all those Arab peoples and tribes whose origin is not in Saudi Arabia.

Arab peoples and tribes origin is in Arabia.

Where is Arabia?

Where is (greater) Mongolia?

Shame on you for for not knowing these elementary things Grin

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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #56 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 1:07pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 11:06am:

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:57am:

You claimed:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 9:44am:

About 25% of Israelis are estimated to be descended from locals or exiles from neighbouring Middle Eastern countries before 1948.

You are either deliberately lying, or incredibly gullible.

You are also incapable of making a point. Are you just here to whinge about the sad facts of history?

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Throwing in the 80% is your latest deflection.

It is an effort to get you to make a point. What is your point Meister?

If they were not Jews, would you and all your fellow deluded Jew haters be insisting that a country having it's own immigration policy is some kind of crime against humanity?

I have given you examples of Aussie Muslim converts right here in this forum, supporting ongoing war, because the glorious Muslim victory over the Jews is necessary and inevitable. On the other hand Israel has created a beacon freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth. After being slaughtered in Europe and ethnically cleansed from the middle east and north africa, they now give the large Arab Muslim population of Israel more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. So which group do you think is actually addicted to war?

The opinions of whoever these posters were is your evidence?

Descent from Middle Eastern/West Asian countries, excluding North Africa, is about 20-25% of Jewish Israelis.

The vast majority of Jews migrating into Palestine pre-1948 and soon after were from western and eastern Europe, with others from the US.

Sure. Muslims stating clearly that they are motivated to support war in the name of Islam is evidence that Muslims are motivated by Islam to support war. What do you think it is evidence of? Or do you prefer to tell Muslims what they think?

What do you think motivated so many Muslims from Australia to travel to ISIS, or attempt to travel there, to support that war? And to send money to support it? Islam, or those cunning Jews scheming to take over the world again?

Not sure why this one is so hard for you Meister: Other than the fact that they are Jewish, what makes you and all the other deluded Jew haters think that the sovereign nation of Israel setting it's own immigration policy is the root cause of the conflict? When every other nation, including Australia, gets to do the same thing without it being the root cause of 2 billion religious ideologues, as well as a large number of other random deluded people, wanting them dead?

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 119647 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war? Reply #57 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 1:35pm FD, Quote: Israel setting it's own immigration policy is the root cause of the conflict? When every other nation, including Australia, gets to do the same thing No - we have mass uncontrolled immigration. Israel doesn't.
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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #58 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 2:34pm

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 1:07pm:

Not sure why this one is so hard for you Meister: Other than the fact that they are Jewish, what makes you and all the other deluded Jew haters think that the sovereign nation of Israel setting it's own immigration policy is the root cause of the conflict? When every other nation, including Australia, gets to do the same thing without it being the root cause of 2 billion religious ideologues, as well as a large number of other random deluded people, wanting them dead?

You've driven yourself off the rails already... there's not much point in deflecting and misrepresenting to mask that...

The root of the conflict began long before Israel became a functioning state operating by enacted laws...

It began in earnest when, after the UNSCOP partition recommendation to the UN in 1947 and before the UN vote on partition in 1948, Israel had a window of 6 months to ethnically cleanse the region before it went beyond, what became UN Resolution 181, and declared independence, intending to seize land well beyond the partition boundaries... and it took to the task with zeal, removing as many Arabs as possible before it could be sanctioned as a state by the UN for having committed an international crime.

And, to save you researching this site for a poster's old opinion, ethnic cleansing does not count as an internationally recognised immigration policy.

Arabs and Muslims alike saw common cause in this overlap of historical fact and possession by religious tradition...

For their part, so did Jews... The historical fact of their military victory, with their cause's justification underwritten by the religious tradition that a Bronze Age god had 'promised' the land to his Bronze Age followers.

And in a step towards atonement for centuries of guilt over the rampant persecution and murder of Jews, Europeans largely fell silent... After all, it wasn't European land that was claimed.

Even the Pope begged god for forgiveness.

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Reply #59 - Apr 28^th, 2026 at 4:25pm

If you don't think that Israel setting it's own immigration policy is the root cause of the problem, why did you insist that you were telling us about the root cause of the problem when you started bitching about Jews immigrating to Israel after it declared independence? Have you changed your mind yet again about what point you are trying to make?

If that is not the root cause of the problem, would you like to tell us what is? Or did you decide to start telling us what the root cause is before figuring out what the root cause is?

Is it something to do with them insisting on being alive, and Jewish? Given that the west recently created every single border in the middle east and north africa, why do you think it is the line around Israel that makes Muslims froth at the mouth?

Do you think it might have the same root cause as what motivated so many Aussie Muslims to join ISIS and rape and pillage their way across the middle east in the name of Islam, despite having no historical or traditional connection to the place?

Or are you going to be really clever and refuse to tell us now?

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And, to save you researching this site for a poster's old opinion, ethnic cleansing does not count as an internationally recognised immigration policy.

Aye, but the Jews had to go somewhere, despite the hopes of Muslims that they would just crawl away and die.

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