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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #30 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 10:53am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 10:25am:
You mean when Israel was a sovereign nation with every right to establish it's own immigration policy? What point exactly are you trying to make here Meister?

About 80% of Israelis were born in Israel.

If they were not Jews, would you and all your fellow deluded Jew haters be insisting that a country having it's own immigration policy is some kind of crime against humanity?

You need to research what you're talking about before you post.

In 1948, after Israel declared independence and after its pre-independence ethnic cleansing of the region in 1947, the region exploded into the Arab-Jewish war. Its Jewish inhabitants were mostly European Jews, having survived the Holocaust - the last European persecution of Jews.

Israel did not fully establish itself as a functioning state with enacted migration laws until 1950.

Throwing in the 80% is your latest deflection. That was, of course, not the case in 1948... Naturally, decades later, the vast majority of Jews living in the region were born in what is now Israel.
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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #31 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 10:57am
 
You claimed:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 9:44am:
About 25% of Israelis are estimated to be descended from locals or exiles from neighbouring Middle Eastern countries before 1948.


You are either deliberately lying, or incredibly gullible.

You are also incapable of making a point. Are you just here to whinge about the sad facts of history?

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Throwing in the 80% is your latest deflection.


It is an effort to get you to make a point. What is your point Meister?

If they were not Jews, would you and all your fellow deluded Jew haters be insisting that a country having it's own immigration policy is some kind of crime against humanity?

I have given you examples of Aussie Muslim converts right here in this forum, supporting ongoing war, because the glorious Muslim victory over the Jews is necessary and inevitable. On the other hand Israel has created a beacon freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth. After being slaughtered in Europe and ethnically cleansed from the middle east and north africa, they now give the large Arab Muslim population of Israel more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. So which group do you think is actually addicted to war?
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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #32 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 10:58am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 10:43am:
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Well, that was a quick regression! You're bask to "Most" from "Nearly half"...


I am saying the same thing Meister. You just struggle with your reading comprehension. Do you recall the bit about 20 to 25% of the Israeli population being local Arab Muslims? With more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of their country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country.

Them, plus half the Jewish population makes a huge majority.

Again, other than the fact that they are Jewish, why do you and all the other deluded Jew haters think that the sovereign nation of Israel setting its own immigration policy is some kind of crime against humanity?

And what alternative are you suggesting? Forcing them to go "back"? Around 80% of Israelis were born in Israel.

You're merging 1948 demographic data with current data...

Deceptive, misleading and misinforming posts are common tactics of yours when you drive yourself off the rails.

I'm not asking Israelis to go anywhere... I'm stating the facts as they were at Israel's beginnings and the few decades before that, which is where you will find the root causes of the current and ongoing conflict.
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Reply #33 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:01am
 
You are not stating the facts. You are bullshitting.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 9:44am:
About 25% of Israelis are estimated to be descended from locals or exiles from neighbouring Middle Eastern countries before 1948.


You are either deliberately lying, or incredibly gullible. You are also incapable of making a point. Are you just here to whinge about the sad facts of history? Facts that aren't actually facts, but lies about Jews?

What is your point Meister?

If they were not Jews, would you and all your fellow deluded Jew haters be insisting that a country having it's own immigration policy is some kind of crime against humanity?

I have given you examples of Aussie Muslim converts right here in this forum, supporting ongoing war, because the glorious Muslim victory over the Jews is necessary and inevitable. On the other hand Israel has created a beacon freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth. After being slaughtered in Europe and ethnically cleansed from the middle east and north africa, they now give the large Arab Muslim population of Israel more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. So which group do you think is actually addicted to war?

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which is where you will find the root causes of the current and ongoing conflict.


The root cause is Islam. It has 1400 years of history, all telling the same story.

Islam is why they hate Jews. Islam is why they want to destroy Israel. No other explanation is necessary. It would make absolutely no difference what the history was. Even if 100% of the Jews in Israel were local born and could trace their ancestry in Israel back to Adam and Eve, Muslims would still want to kill them. Because they are Jews.
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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #34 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:06am
 
freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 10:57am:
You claimed:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 9:44am:
About 25% of Israelis are estimated to be descended from locals or exiles from neighbouring Middle Eastern countries before 1948.


You are either deliberately lying, or incredibly gullible.

You are also incapable of making a point. Are you just here to whinge about the sad facts of history?

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Throwing in the 80% is your latest deflection.


It is an effort to get you to make a point. What is your point Meister?

If they were not Jews, would you and all your fellow deluded Jew haters be insisting that a country having it's own immigration policy is some kind of crime against humanity?

I have given you examples of Aussie Muslim converts right here in this forum, supporting ongoing war, because the glorious Muslim victory over the Jews is necessary and inevitable. On the other hand Israel has created a beacon freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth. After being slaughtered in Europe and ethnically cleansed from the middle east and north africa, they now give the large Arab Muslim population of Israel more rights and freedoms, and more say in the governance of the country, than in any other middle eastern or north african country. So which group do you think is actually addicted to war?

The opinions of whoever these posters were is your evidence?

Descent from Middle Eastern/West Asian countries, excluding North Africa, is about 20-25% of Jewish Israelis.

The vast majority of Jews migrating into Palestine pre-1948 and soon after were from western and eastern Europe, with others from the US.
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Reply #35 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:11am
 
As an exercise and as research for you extends only to other posters on this site, use your 'common sense' approach, but apply honesty as a novelty for you, to consider this.

Why would Jews residing in Middle Eastern Muslim regions migrate to pre-1948 Palestine, another Muslim region, before they could be confident of protection by the ruling state?

Before 1948, the UN's support for Jewish enclaves was not assured.

US and European backing for them was not assured.

Convincing militant Zionist victories over Arabs in Palestine had not been achieved.

Israel did not yet exist.

The region was exploding in violence, the outcome of which was unknown.

Would you have moved your family from relative peace and from a people you at least knew into a dangerous war zone?

European Jews had lost everything and nothing to lose... Middle Eastern Jews had everything to lose before 1948.
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Reply #36 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:17am
 
Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.

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Reply #37 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:23am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:11am:
As an exercise and as research for you extends only to other posters on this site, use your 'common sense' approach, but apply honesty as a novelty for you, to consider this.

Why would Jews residing in Middle Eastern Muslim regions migrate to pre-1948 Palestine, another Muslim region, before they could be confident of protection by the ruling state?

Before 1948, the UN's support for Jewish enclaves was not assured.

US and European backing for them was not assured.

Convincing militant Zionist victories over Arabs in Palestine had not been achieved.

Israel did not yet exist.

The region was exploding in violence, the outcome of which was unknown.

Would you have moved your family from relative peace and from a people you at least knew into a dangerous war zone?

European Jews had lost everything and nothing to lose... Middle Eastern Jews had everything to lose before 1948.

Add to that the fact that British Mandate forces were actively, and even violently, discouraging Jewish migration into Palestine.

The only Jews determined to migrate to Israel during this period were European Jews who were being ferried by militant Zionists from European ports by their tens of thousands, having lost everything, most having lost their entire families, let alone everything they owned.
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Reply #38 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:33am
 
The two primary factors that ultimately ensured Israel would exist as a UN-recognised state were (a) the masterful efforts of Australia's Herbert Vere 'Doc' Evatt, who skillfully manoeuvred the UN members of the UN Special Committee on Palestine and the Truman administration towards supporting partition - even though at the time partition was the weaker proposition, and (b) collective European guilt over the causes of the Holocaust.
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Reply #39 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:36am
 
All Arabs at some time came from Arabia and there they should return unless they prepare to abide by  law of host country.
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Reply #40 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:41am
 
tallowood wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:17am:
Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.


But the creation of greater Israel, that includes the formal and recognised inclusion of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and perhaps some of the Sinai, Jordan and Lebanon, requires war.

If they're not addicted to it, by pursuing the greater Israel cause, they're definitely condemning themselves and the region to it.

Also, given the idea of greater Israel has a world religious component to it, maybe Israel would be condemning us all to it.
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Reply #41 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:46am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:41am:
tallowood wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:17am:
Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.


But the creation of greater Israel, that includes the formal and recognised inclusion of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and perhaps some of the Sinai, Jordan and Lebanon, requires war.

If they're not addicted to it, by pursuing the greater Israel cause, they're definitely condemning themselves and the region to it.

Also, given the idea of greater Israel has a world religious component to it, maybe Israel would be condemning us all to it.


What you erroneously call "the creation of greater Israel" in fact is recreation of historical Israel.

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Reply #42 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:47am
 
tallowood wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:36am:
All Arabs at some time came from Arabia and there they should return unless they prepare to abide by  law of host country.

Similar to the Indians, Chinese or Southeast Asians, Arabs are not a unified people with a single socio-cultural origin; they are tribal and have lived within their tribal regions across the Middle East for millennia. The idea that they could migrate to regions not associated with their direct socio-cultural roots is ludicrous.
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Reply #43 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:48am
 
tallowood wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:46am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:41am:
tallowood wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:17am:
Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.


But the creation of greater Israel, that includes the formal and recognised inclusion of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, the Golan Heights and perhaps some of the Sinai, Jordan and Lebanon, requires war.

If they're not addicted to it, by pursuing the greater Israel cause, they're definitely condemning themselves and the region to it.

Also, given the idea of greater Israel has a world religious component to it, maybe Israel would be condemning us all to it.


What you erroneously call "the creation of greater Israel" in fact is recreation of historical Israel.


What do you mean by historical Israel? There was a historical Israel, Judea and Samaria within the region. Historically, they were in conflict with each other.

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Reply #44 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:52am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:47am:
tallowood wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 11:36am:
All Arabs at some time came from Arabia and there they should return unless they prepare to abide by  law of host country.

Similar to the Indians, Chinese or Southeast Asians, Arabs are not a unified people with a single socio-cultural origin; they are tribal and have lived within their tribal regions across the Middle East for millennia. The idea that they could migrate to regions not associated with their direct socio-cultural roots is ludicrous.


Do Indians, Chinese or Southeast Asians claim lands of Israel?
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