Yadda wrote on Apr 20^th, 2026 at 10:41am:

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Yadda wrote on Apr 20^th, 2026 at 11:09am:

The Sinai Peninsula was militarily occupied by Israel twice since the beginning of the Arab–Israeli conflict: the first occupation lasted from October 1956 to March 1957, when Israeli troops withdrew from Egypt due to US international pressure.

After the 1967 capture of the Sinai, the US applied diplomatic pressure for Israel to enter peace negotiations with Egypt and to offer the Sinai in return. The Carter administration intensified that pressure and brokered the peace deal, which resulted in the Sinai's return to Egypt and a peace treaty between Israel and Egypt.

So Israel has been attacked multiple times by multiple Muslim countries, for no other reason that they are Jewish. It has won every single time. And every single time, it has handed back all the territory, remaining a very small nation. Yet someone in the minds of the Jew haters, this becomes an even more sinister Jewish conspiracy to take over the world.

On the one hand we have frothing-at-the-mouth Muslim extremists who openly admit they hate Jews and want to wipe out Israel, and want the war to continue, no matter how absurd their losses. On the other hand we have democratic, free Israel, with a population that is tired of war and tired of being attacked, that is still a tiny little outpost of freedom and democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth. But still it is the cunning, scheming Jews that are the problem.

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It's because they are considered Jews, and Muslims believe the land is "owned" by Islam and must therefor be ruled by Islam. Most of them are either locals or were forced out of neighbouring Muslim countries. It is not the "invasion" they have a problem with, but their lack of submission to Islam. You are projecting your own views onto this, but you only need to listen to what Muslims say.

We had Muslim converts right here on this forum, with absolutely no historical attachment to the region, who insisted the war against Israel must continue, regardless of the cost, because Allah has ordained inevitable victory over non-Muslims. Not just in Israel, but in Spain which is also "owned" by Islam. This has nothing to do with who invaded what. The Spanish are no more invaders in Spain than the Jews are in Israel. It is the historical Muslim conquest that justifies conquest. It is all about religion. If Israel had come into existence without a single Jew immigrating to the area, the Muslims would still be frothing at the mouth with fury over the insult to their religion.

The Muslims are addicted to war, because they believe that war and victory are ordained for them by Allah. The Israelis have established a liberal democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth. Despite being attacked multiple times and winning every time, they handed back the massive territory they won. Because they are not addicted to war.

I have never heard a Muslim complain about the Jews invading, but if that is what you actually heard, you misunderstood and thought the invasion bit was the problem. It isn't. It is the Jewish part. Muslims have been fighting each other ever since Muhammad died. Pretty much every nation and every border in the Muslim world was created by the west. Muslims don't care, because Muslims are in charge. When one of these nations invades the other, Muslims in the rest of the world don't care, unless one is Shite and one is Sunni. Muslims have actually been assisting the invasion of Muslim lands by non-Muslims for the entire history of Islam, in the form of the Islamic slave trade. Again, they don't care, because it is ordained by Islam, governed by Islam and dominated by Islam, and they get to pretty much forcibly convert the slaves to Islam.

At least, they don't care as much as they do about Israel. But when ISIS promised to re-establish the Caliphate and slaughtered their way across the middle east, Muslims from around the world leant their support, the same way they do in the effort to slaughter Jews. Not because they were fighting off an invasion, but because they were fighting for Islamic rule. It is not enough to have Muslims in charge, it has to be a proper Islamic state.

You do not understand this, so you project your own western view in order to come up with an explanation that you do understand. Stop expecting their actions to make sense to you. They only have to make sense to Islam, because Islam is what motivates them.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 9:04am:

If you're going to refer to Islamic religious tradition, you need to include Jewish religious tradition, which has Yahweh commanding the same thing.

Your lack of awareness of ancient religious traditions, which has the gods warring among each other and having their dominance proved by their human followers, is obvious.

On handing back territory, Israel returns territory only on the insistence of the US. It has not handed back significant portions of the territory it captured in 1967, nor East Jerusalem, nor the Golan Heights.

When Israel embarked on a military adventure in 1956 with Britain and France, it captured the Sinai Peninsula for the first time, which it handed back a few months later on the orders of the US.

After the 1967 capture of the Sinai, it was the US, not Israel, that crafted the peace negotiations with Egypt, with Sinai on the table.

Israel has won all wars waged against it, only with the crucial assistance of the US since at least 1967.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:02am:

So you've gone from "Most of them are either locals or were forced out of neighbouring Muslim countries", to "Nearly half", so you're making progress... at least for now... no doubt you'll regress in later posts.

Your inclusion of North Africa is your hedge... the countries of which are not neighbouring countries.

Morocco is a good example of Jewish migration from North Africa. Very large numbers of Moroccan Jews migrated to Israel between 1948 and 1971... so after the creation of Israel.

The next task in your educational progress: You need to come to terms with the fact that at least 75% of Jewish migration from the Middle East and North Africa to Palestine/Israel occurred after Israel declared independence.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2026 at 10:25am:

Well, that was a quick regression! You're bask to "Most" from "Nearly half"...

It's not hard to research these figures. Pre-1948 Jewish migration to Palestine from Middle Eastern countries is estimated st about 25%.

How about you think about this... why would Jews residing in Middle Eastern Muslim regions migrate to pre-1948 Palestine, another Muslim region, before they could be confident of protection by the ruling state?

Before 1948, the UN's support for Jewish enclaves was not assured.

US and European backing for them was not assured.

Convincing militant Zionist victories over Arabs in Palestine had not been achieved.

Israel did not yet exist.

The region was exploding in violence, the outcome of which was unknown.

Israeli self defense is not addiction to war.