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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to self-defence?
Reply #150 - May 3rd, 2026 at 3:23pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 11:41am:
I point out the bleedding obvious: had the Paĺlos formed their own state when the Jews did, the WB and Gaza would now be parts of a sovereign country, and not mere occupied teritories (first by Arabs and now by Jews).


Would we Australians willingly cede land and redraw Australia's territory if, say, Indonesia seized parts of northern Australia, claiming an ancient link to the land?

Is there any evidence of ancient Indonesian kingdoms in Australia? Was that bit of Australia part of a now defunct empire with no successor state in place?

Your attempts at analogy suck.



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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to self-defence?
Reply #151 - May 3rd, 2026 at 3:43pm
 
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 3:23pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 11:41am:
I point out the bleedding obvious: had the Paĺlos formed their own state when the Jews did, the WB and Gaza would now be parts of a sovereign country, and not mere occupied teritories (first by Arabs and now by Jews).


Would we Australians willingly cede land and redraw Australia's territory if, say, Indonesia seized parts of northern Australia, claiming an ancient link to the land?

Is there any evidence of ancient Indonesian kingdoms in Australia? Was that bit of Australia part of a now defunct empire with no successor state in place?

There's evidence of ancient Indonesian presence in northern Australia... But would it make any difference to Australian attitudes today either way if Indonesia seized northern Australian territory?

Would you expect no German military response to the Danish reclaiming of Schleswig-Holstein by military force?

Would Poland be OK with Germany reclaiming former East Prussia?

How about the Czech Republic to Germany's reclaiming of the Sudetenland?

Should Armenians invade Turkey and reclaim eastern Anatolia?
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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to self-defence?
Reply #152 - May 3rd, 2026 at 4:22pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 3:43pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 3:23pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 11:41am:
I point out the bleedding obvious: had the Paĺlos formed their own state when the Jews did, the WB and Gaza would now be parts of a sovereign country, and not mere occupied teritories (first by Arabs and now by Jews).


Would we Australians willingly cede land and redraw Australia's territory if, say, Indonesia seized parts of northern Australia, claiming an ancient link to the land?

Is there any evidence of ancient Indonesian kingdoms in Australia? Was that bit of Australia part of a now defunct empire with no successor state in place?

There's evidence of ancient Indonesian presence in northern Australia... But would it make any difference to Australian attitudes today either way if Indonesia seized northern Australian territory?

Would you expect no German military response to the Danish reclaiming of Schleswig-Holstein by military force?

Would Poland be OK with Germany reclaiming former East Prussia?

How about the Czech Republic to Germany's reclaiming of the Sudetenland?

Should Armenians invade Turkey and reclaim eastern Anatolia?


That is why Arabia for Arabs and Israel, Judea ad Samaria for Jews.
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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to self-defence?
Reply #153 - May 3rd, 2026 at 4:27pm
 
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:22pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 3:43pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 3:23pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 11:41am:
I point out the bleedding obvious: had the Paĺlos formed their own state when the Jews did, the WB and Gaza would now be parts of a sovereign country, and not mere occupied teritories (first by Arabs and now by Jews).


Would we Australians willingly cede land and redraw Australia's territory if, say, Indonesia seized parts of northern Australia, claiming an ancient link to the land?

Is there any evidence of ancient Indonesian kingdoms in Australia? Was that bit of Australia part of a now defunct empire with no successor state in place?

There's evidence of ancient Indonesian presence in northern Australia... But would it make any difference to Australian attitudes today either way if Indonesia seized northern Australian territory?

Would you expect no German military response to the Danish reclaiming of Schleswig-Holstein by military force?

Would Poland be OK with Germany reclaiming former East Prussia?

How about the Czech Republic to Germany's reclaiming of the Sudetenland?

Should Armenians invade Turkey and reclaim eastern Anatolia?


That is why Arabia for Arabs and Israel, Judea ad Samaria for Jews.

And Tibet for Tibetans?

All of Mongolia for Mongolians?

Taiwan for the Taiwanese?
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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to self-defence?
Reply #154 - May 3rd, 2026 at 4:47pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:27pm:
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:22pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 3:43pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 3:23pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 11:41am:
I point out the bleedding obvious: had the Paĺlos formed their own state when the Jews did, the WB and Gaza would now be parts of a sovereign country, and not mere occupied teritories (first by Arabs and now by Jews).


Would we Australians willingly cede land and redraw Australia's territory if, say, Indonesia seized parts of northern Australia, claiming an ancient link to the land?

Is there any evidence of ancient Indonesian kingdoms in Australia? Was that bit of Australia part of a now defunct empire with no successor state in place?

There's evidence of ancient Indonesian presence in northern Australia... But would it make any difference to Australian attitudes today either way if Indonesia seized northern Australian territory?

Would you expect no German military response to the Danish reclaiming of Schleswig-Holstein by military force?

Would Poland be OK with Germany reclaiming former East Prussia?

How about the Czech Republic to Germany's reclaiming of the Sudetenland?

Should Armenians invade Turkey and reclaim eastern Anatolia?


That is why Arabia for Arabs and Israel, Judea ad Samaria for Jews.

And Tibet for Tibetans?

All of Mongolia for Mongolians?

Taiwan for the Taiwanese?


What percentage of Arab population are in Tibet, Mongolia and Taiwan?
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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to self-defence?
Reply #155 - May 3rd, 2026 at 4:52pm
 
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:47pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:27pm:
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:22pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 3:43pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 3:23pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 11:41am:
I point out the bleedding obvious: had the Paĺlos formed their own state when the Jews did, the WB and Gaza would now be parts of a sovereign country, and not mere occupied teritories (first by Arabs and now by Jews).


Would we Australians willingly cede land and redraw Australia's territory if, say, Indonesia seized parts of northern Australia, claiming an ancient link to the land?

Is there any evidence of ancient Indonesian kingdoms in Australia? Was that bit of Australia part of a now defunct empire with no successor state in place?

There's evidence of ancient Indonesian presence in northern Australia... But would it make any difference to Australian attitudes today either way if Indonesia seized northern Australian territory?

Would you expect no German military response to the Danish reclaiming of Schleswig-Holstein by military force?

Would Poland be OK with Germany reclaiming former East Prussia?

How about the Czech Republic to Germany's reclaiming of the Sudetenland?

Should Armenians invade Turkey and reclaim eastern Anatolia?


That is why Arabia for Arabs and Israel, Judea ad Samaria for Jews.

And Tibet for Tibetans?

All of Mongolia for Mongolians?

Taiwan for the Taiwanese?


What percentage of Arab population are in Tibet, Mongolia and Taiwan?

So your X for X and Y for Y stops at China's border eh! Mao would be proud of you!

How about Bhutan? Should China continue to bacon-slice Bhutanese territory?

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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to self-defence?
Reply #156 - May 3rd, 2026 at 4:57pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:52pm:
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:47pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:27pm:
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:22pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 3:43pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 3:23pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 12:01pm:
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 11:41am:
I point out the bleedding obvious: had the Paĺlos formed their own state when the Jews did, the WB and Gaza would now be parts of a sovereign country, and not mere occupied teritories (first by Arabs and now by Jews).


Would we Australians willingly cede land and redraw Australia's territory if, say, Indonesia seized parts of northern Australia, claiming an ancient link to the land?

Is there any evidence of ancient Indonesian kingdoms in Australia? Was that bit of Australia part of a now defunct empire with no successor state in place?

There's evidence of ancient Indonesian presence in northern Australia... But would it make any difference to Australian attitudes today either way if Indonesia seized northern Australian territory?

Would you expect no German military response to the Danish reclaiming of Schleswig-Holstein by military force?

Would Poland be OK with Germany reclaiming former East Prussia?

How about the Czech Republic to Germany's reclaiming of the Sudetenland?

Should Armenians invade Turkey and reclaim eastern Anatolia?


That is why Arabia for Arabs and Israel, Judea ad Samaria for Jews.

And Tibet for Tibetans?

All of Mongolia for Mongolians?

Taiwan for the Taiwanese?


What percentage of Arab population are in Tibet, Mongolia and Taiwan?

So your X for X and Y for Y stops at China's border eh! Mao would be proud of you!

How about Bhutan? Should China continue to bacon-slice Bhutanese territory?


You keep talking about Mao like if you were his favorite boy, so what was percentage of Arab population are in Tibet, Mongolia and Taiwan?
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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to self-defence?
Reply #157 - May 3rd, 2026 at 5:04pm
 
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:57pm:
You keep talking about Mao like if you were his favorite boy, so what was percentage of Arab population are in Tibet, Mongolia and Taiwan?

Checking the depth of your hypocrisy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict...

Should the Philippines let China take its maritime territory?

Should Chinese warships be allowed to harass Filipino fishermen?

China: the cockroach of Asia since 1949.
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Reply #158 - May 3rd, 2026 at 5:10pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:04pm:
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:57pm:
You keep talking about Mao like if you were his favorite boy, so what was percentage of Arab population are in Tibet, Mongolia and Taiwan?

Checking the depth of your hypocrisy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict...

Should the Philippines let China take its maritime territory?

Should Chinese warships be allowed to harass Filipino fishermen?

China: the cockroach of Asia since 1949.


That is why Arabia for Arabs and Israel, Judea ad Samaria for Jews.
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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to self-defence?
Reply #159 - May 3rd, 2026 at 5:14pm
 
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:10pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:04pm:
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:57pm:
You keep talking about Mao like if you were his favorite boy, so what was percentage of Arab population are in Tibet, Mongolia and Taiwan?

Checking the depth of your hypocrisy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict...

Should the Philippines let China take its maritime territory?

Should Chinese warships be allowed to harass Filipino fishermen?

China: the cockroach of Asia since 1949.


That is why Arabia for Arabs and Israel, Judea ad Samaria for Jews.

And Mongolia for Mongolians, Tibet for Tibetans, Taiwan for the Taiwanese, Bhutan for the Bhutanese, the Philippines for Filipinos... eh!

Cantonese speakers deserve their own country... and Hong Kongers...

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Reply #160 - May 3rd, 2026 at 5:26pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:14pm:
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:10pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:04pm:
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:57pm:
You keep talking about Mao like if you were his favorite boy, so what was percentage of Arab population are in Tibet, Mongolia and Taiwan?

Checking the depth of your hypocrisy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict...

Should the Philippines let China take its maritime territory?

Should Chinese warships be allowed to harass Filipino fishermen?

China: the cockroach of Asia since 1949.


That is why Arabia for Arabs and Israel, Judea ad Samaria for Jews.

And Mongolia for Mongolians, Tibet for Tibetans, Taiwan for the Taiwanese, Bhutan for the Bhutanese, the Philippines for Filipinos... eh!

Cantonese speakers deserve their own country... and Hong Kongers...




and Arabia for Arabs and Israel, Judea and Samaria for Jews.

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Reply #161 - May 3rd, 2026 at 5:28pm
 
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:26pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:14pm:
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:10pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:04pm:
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:57pm:
You keep talking about Mao like if you were his favorite boy, so what was percentage of Arab population are in Tibet, Mongolia and Taiwan?

Checking the depth of your hypocrisy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict...

Should the Philippines let China take its maritime territory?

Should Chinese warships be allowed to harass Filipino fishermen?

China: the cockroach of Asia since 1949.


That is why Arabia for Arabs and Israel, Judea ad Samaria for Jews.

And Mongolia for Mongolians, Tibet for Tibetans, Taiwan for the Taiwanese, Bhutan for the Bhutanese, the Philippines for Filipinos... eh!

Cantonese speakers deserve their own country... and Hong Kongers...




and Arabia for Arabs and Israel, Judea and Samaria for Jews.

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2ZEsfteJ5g[]

Which Arabs? Which Jews?
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Reply #162 - May 3rd, 2026 at 5:35pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:28pm:
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:26pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:14pm:
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:10pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:04pm:
tallowood wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:57pm:
You keep talking about Mao like if you were his favorite boy, so what was percentage of Arab population are in Tibet, Mongolia and Taiwan?

Checking the depth of your hypocrisy regarding the Arab-Israeli conflict...

Should the Philippines let China take its maritime territory?

Should Chinese warships be allowed to harass Filipino fishermen?

China: the cockroach of Asia since 1949.


That is why Arabia for Arabs and Israel, Judea ad Samaria for Jews.

And Mongolia for Mongolians, Tibet for Tibetans, Taiwan for the Taiwanese, Bhutan for the Bhutanese, the Philippines for Filipinos... eh!

Cantonese speakers deserve their own country... and Hong Kongers...




and Arabia for Arabs and Israel, Judea and Samaria for Jews.


Which Arabs? Which Jews?


Let us rejoce.
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Reply #163 - May 3rd, 2026 at 7:06pm
 
Frank wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 11:41am:
There have been vastly greater population movements across the world in the 20th centure alone, both in terns of territory and people.



The fact that other states were established through conflict/displacement and/or the wholesale violation of other peoples' rights does not legitimize or justify the means by which Israel was established.
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Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation

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Reply #164 - May 3rd, 2026 at 7:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Apr 28th, 2026 at 9:04am:
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The Muslim incentive to attack Israel and Jews is because Jews (read Zionists) are considered invaders...


It's because they are considered Jews, and Muslims believe the land is "owned" by Islam and must therefor be ruled by Islam. Most of them are either locals or were forced out of neighbouring Muslim countries. It is not the "invasion" they have a problem with, but their lack of submission to Islam. You are projecting your own views onto this, but you only need to listen to what Muslims say.

We had Muslim converts right here on this forum, with absolutely no historical attachment to the region, who insisted the war against Israel must continue, regardless of the cost, because Allah has ordained inevitable victory over non-Muslims. Not just in Israel, but in Spain which is also "owned" by Islam. This has nothing to do with who invaded what. The Spanish are no more invaders in Spain than the Jews are in Israel. It is the historical Muslim conquest that justifies conquest. It is all about religion. If Israel had come into existence without a single Jew immigrating to the area, the Muslims would still be frothing at the mouth with fury over the insult to their religion.

The Muslims are addicted to war, because they believe that war and victory are ordained for them by Allah. The Israelis have established a liberal democracy in one of the most backwards and oppressive places on earth. Despite being attacked multiple times and winning every time, they handed back the massive territory they won. Because they are not addicted to war.

I have never heard a Muslim complain about the Jews invading, but if that is what you actually heard, you misunderstood and thought the invasion bit was the problem. It isn't. It is the Jewish part. Muslims have been fighting each other ever since Muhammad died. Pretty much every nation and every border in the Muslim world was created by the west. Muslims don't care, because Muslims are in charge. When one of these nations invades the other, Muslims in the rest of the world don't care, unless one is Shite and one is Sunni. Muslims have actually been assisting the invasion of Muslim lands by non-Muslims for the entire history of Islam, in the form of the Islamic slave trade. Again, they don't care, because it is ordained by Islam, governed by Islam and dominated by Islam, and they get to pretty much forcibly convert the slaves to Islam.

At least, they don't care as much as they do about Israel. But when ISIS promised to re-establish the Caliphate and slaughtered their way across the middle east, Muslims from around the world leant their support, the same way they do in the effort to slaughter Jews. Not because they were fighting off an invasion, but because they were fighting for Islamic rule. It is not enough to have Muslims in charge, it has to be a proper Islamic state.

You do not understand this, so you project your own western view in order to come up with an explanation that you do understand. Stop expecting their actions to make sense to you. They only have to make sense to Islam, because Islam is what motivates them.


In which other liberal democracy do we find racial segregation and apartheid ?
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Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation

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