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Reply #105 - Yesterday at 12:50pm
 
Frank wrote Yesterday at 11:21am:
You make Jabotinsky and his views the root cause.

I identify Revisionist Zionism, and the circumstances by which it prevailed - and its enduring legacy - among European Jews, as the root cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict.
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Reply #106 - Yesterday at 1:39pm
 
Airstrike hits Hezbollah rocket launcher near residential buildings.

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Reply #107 - Yesterday at 10:55pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote Yesterday at 12:32pm:

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He advocated for not treating the Arabs like fools and doing what must be done to achieve Zionism's ultimate aim, and let the Arabs do what they must:
Resist Zionism with all they had... he expected nothing less from
the Arabs as honourable people
but to attack the invaders with all they had...





Yadda said.......
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1557114588/21#21

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Chief Muslim claims Jewish Temples never existed


March 15, 2007

"....The Jewish Temples never existed.......descriptions of the Jewish Temples in the Hebrew Tanach, in the Talmud and in Byzantine and Roman writings from the Temple periods were forged, and that the Torah was falsified to claim Biblical patriarchs and matriarchs were Jewish when indeed they were prophets for Islam."


http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=40628
the link is old, but the article is kosher


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Temple Mount '100% Islamic'
June 01, 2008
"....Taysir Tamimi, chief Palestinian Justice and one of the most influential Muslim leaders in Israel, argued the Jewish Temples never existed,...."






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n.b.
And just look how moslems respond,
            whenever additional, independent historic sources, contradict the moslem 'narrative' of 'their' history....

".....descriptions of the Jewish Temples in the Hebrew Tanach, in the Talmud and in Byzantine and Roman writings from the Temple periods were forged,...."


Oh, but of course they were!





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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1622702002/22#22
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Palestine - a nation with a prestigious history
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Could you answer some basic questions about the country of Palestine ? :


1. When was it founded and by whom?
2. What language did the Palestinians speak?
3. What writing [script] did they use?
4. What manuscripts did they leave?
5. What was their religion?
6. Where are their temples?
7. What monuments attest to their existence?
8. What were its borders?
9. What was the name of its capital?
10. What were its major cities?
11. What constituted the basis of its economy?
12. What was the name of the currency that they used?
13. What was its form of government?
14. What achievements have they accomplished?
15. What other peoples did Palestine interact with?
16. Where can one find any [historic] records, wherein the country of Palestine and its people are mentioned?
17. What archaeological sites can one name?
18. Where can one find the recorded history of these people?
19. Whom did they conquer?, or, were conquered by?
20. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation [or doubt]?
21. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?
22. Can anyone name at least five Palestinian leaders before Arafat?
23. Finally, since there is no such recognised country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?


Further, why did these proud 'Palestinians' between 1948 and 1967, passively, allow themselves to be occupied by the Jordanians in the 'West Bank', and by the Egyptians in Gaza?


Those Q's  [above] are taken from;

Part 142 - Palestine and Palestinians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04iGfi9No6M

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Yeah.   Israel, that BIG bully.

While the innocent moslem 'Palestinians'
can't find a home anywhere,
among their own CO-RELIGIONISTS.

n.b.
There are around 22 ISLAMIC nations there.

And just ONE, non-ISLAMIC nation.

And,   ......ZERO TOLERANCE FOR THAT NATION [Israel].



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Psalms 83:1
Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2  For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3  They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4  They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5  For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:
6  The tabernacles of Edom, and the Ishmaelites; of Moab, and the Hagarenes;
7  Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; the Philistines with the inhabitants of Tyre;



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Re: Is Israeli society addicted to war?
Reply #108 - Today at 10:00am
 
Yadda wrote Yesterday at 10:55pm:
Could you answer some basic questions about the country of Palestine ? :

1. When was it founded and by whom?
2. What language did the Palestinians speak?
3. What writing [script] did they use?
4. What manuscripts did they leave?
5. What was their religion?
6. Where are their temples?
7. What monuments attest to their existence?
8. What were its borders?
9. What was the name of its capital?
10. What were its major cities?
11. What constituted the basis of its economy?
12. What was the name of the currency that they used?
13. What was its form of government?
14. What achievements have they accomplished?
15. What other peoples did Palestine interact with?
16. Where can one find any [historic] records, wherein the country of Palestine and its people are mentioned?
17. What archaeological sites can one name?
18. Where can one find the recorded history of these people?
19. Whom did they conquer?, or, were conquered by?
20. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation [or doubt]?
21. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?
22. Can anyone name at least five Palestinian leaders before Arafat?
23. Finally, since there is no such recognised country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?[/color][/i]

Further, why did these proud 'Palestinians' between 1948 and 1967, passively, allow themselves to be occupied by the Jordanians in the 'West Bank', and by the Egyptians in Gaza?


Those Q's  [above] are taken from;

Part 142 - Palestine and Palestinians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04iGfi9No6M

Yeah.   Israel, that BIG bully.

While the innocent moslem 'Palestinians'
can't find a home anywhere,
among their own CO-RELIGIONISTS.

Removed the simpering religiosity...

The YouTube presentation has been removed.

The questionnaire does not disprove Palestinian peoplehood.

It relies on an anachronistic standard: 'show me an ancient nation-state with a capital, currency and temples, or you do not exist.'

By that standard, many real modern nations would fail.

A question for simpering religious nutjobs: What is their take on Israeli harassment and removal of Christians from the occupied West Bank?

How many Christian-against-Christian nations and people have fought bloody wars of destruction?


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Reply #109 - Today at 10:21am
 
Israeli self-defense is not addiction to war.
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Reply #110 - Today at 10:51am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 29th, 2026 at 11:29am:
freediver wrote on Apr 29th, 2026 at 11:22am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 29th, 2026 at 11:17am:
freediver wrote on Apr 29th, 2026 at 11:00am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 29th, 2026 at 6:36am:
freediver wrote on Apr 29th, 2026 at 3:19am:
Meister, have you worked up the courage to tell us what the root cause is?

Are you being so coy about it because you are trying to figure out the polite way to say that you feel compelled to gun down Jew on the streets of Sydney because they fled Europe during the holocaust?

So, you're unfamiliar with the concept of root cause... Not surprising...

And the root cause of Christians being harassed out of the West Bank is what? Judaism?

Palestinian Christians are being pushed out from the West Bank, especially through settler violence, land seizure, demolitions, movement restrictions, economic strangulation, and intimidation.


Do you feel motivated to slaughter Jews on the streets of Sydney because of this, and blame it all on the Jews?

And the root cause of the Eureka Rebellion was what? Americanism?


Are you offering excuses for why you never got to the point Meister? If only you were as good at making sense as you are at changing the topic.

Your teenage psychiatry is playing up today... Off the pills?

Look up the meaning of 'root cause' and get back to me...

What was the root cause of Jewish uprisings and revolts against Rome?

Was it (a) Judaism, (b) Polytheism, (c) Other?



Why are you so eager to change the subject?

Did you ever get round to figuring out what the root cause of the current violence is, or are you still to busy listing little factoids?

What makes you think pre-1948 migration of Jewish people is the root cause of violence, if that is indeed what you are tiptoeing around? Does it make you feel compelled to gun down Jews on the streets of Sydney?
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Reply #111 - Today at 11:02am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 10:00am:
Yadda wrote Yesterday at 10:55pm:
Could you answer some basic questions about the country of Palestine ? :

1. When was it founded and by whom?
2. What language did the Palestinians speak?
3. What writing [script] did they use?
4. What manuscripts did they leave?
5. What was their religion?
6. Where are their temples?
7. What monuments attest to their existence?
8. What were its borders?
9. What was the name of its capital?
10. What were its major cities?
11. What constituted the basis of its economy?
12. What was the name of the currency that they used?
13. What was its form of government?
14. What achievements have they accomplished?
15. What other peoples did Palestine interact with?
16. Where can one find any [historic] records, wherein the country of Palestine and its people are mentioned?
17. What archaeological sites can one name?
18. Where can one find the recorded history of these people?
19. Whom did they conquer?, or, were conquered by?
20. Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation [or doubt]?
21. What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?
22. Can anyone name at least five Palestinian leaders before Arafat?
23. Finally, since there is no such recognised country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?[/color][/i]

Further, why did these proud 'Palestinians' between 1948 and 1967, passively, allow themselves to be occupied by the Jordanians in the 'West Bank', and by the Egyptians in Gaza?


Those Q's  [above] are taken from;

Part 142 - Palestine and Palestinians
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04iGfi9No6M

Yeah.   Israel, that BIG bully.

While the innocent moslem 'Palestinians'
can't find a home anywhere,
among their own CO-RELIGIONISTS.


Removed the simpering religiosity...

The YouTube presentation has been removed.


The questionnaire does not disprove Palestinian peoplehood.




The YT [in my post] was posted around 15 years ago.

That YT Channel was removed by YT.


But......a few people on YT have re posted copies of his videos.



Watch the original/the copy, and enjoy.



Palestine & Palestinians Part 142


07 min
May 26, 2010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF0BNH-ypxg





Quote:

The Arabs claim that Palestine and the Palestinians existed from TIME IMMEMORIAL.

Do History & Facts agree with them?

NOTE: All our listeners are free to copy our chapters as long as they are not tampered with in any manner.








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Reply #112 - Today at 11:33am
 
freediver wrote Today at 10:51am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 29th, 2026 at 11:29am:
freediver wrote on Apr 29th, 2026 at 11:22am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 29th, 2026 at 11:17am:
freediver wrote on Apr 29th, 2026 at 11:00am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 29th, 2026 at 6:36am:
freediver wrote on Apr 29th, 2026 at 3:19am:
Meister, have you worked up the courage to tell us what the root cause is?

Are you being so coy about it because you are trying to figure out the polite way to say that you feel compelled to gun down Jew on the streets of Sydney because they fled Europe during the holocaust?

So, you're unfamiliar with the concept of root cause... Not surprising...

And the root cause of Christians being harassed out of the West Bank is what? Judaism?

Palestinian Christians are being pushed out from the West Bank, especially through settler violence, land seizure, demolitions, movement restrictions, economic strangulation, and intimidation.


Do you feel motivated to slaughter Jews on the streets of Sydney because of this, and blame it all on the Jews?

And the root cause of the Eureka Rebellion was what? Americanism?


Are you offering excuses for why you never got to the point Meister? If only you were as good at making sense as you are at changing the topic.

Your teenage psychiatry is playing up today... Off the pills?

Look up the meaning of 'root cause' and get back to me...

What was the root cause of Jewish uprisings and revolts against Rome?

Was it (a) Judaism, (b) Polytheism, (c) Other?



Why are you so eager to change the subject?

Did you ever get round to figuring out what the root cause of the current violence is, or are you still to busy listing little factoids?

What makes you think pre-1948 migration of Jewish people is the root cause of violence, if that is indeed what you are tiptoeing around? Does it make you feel compelled to gun down Jews on the streets of Sydney?

Could you apply that highlighted comment to yourself about support for the actions of the Christchurch killer?

Revisionist Zionism's founder insisted pre-1948 that Jewish military actions against the current owners of the land not only would, but should lead to violence... as he reasoned, 'what people would not resist their expulsion from their home and lands?

But you still can't come to terms with the root cause.

Of course you can't... That would take bearing a moral burden that Jabotinsky advised the Zionists of his day was unavoidable.

'If we are to be colonisers, then we must do what colonisers must do: displace the local people by force..

Similar to the current actions in the West Bank to remove non-Jews, including Christians.
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Reply #113 - Today at 11:55am
 
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Could you apply that highlighted comment to yourself about support for the actions of the Christchurch killer?


What support? I am not saying he did it because Jews migrated to Palestine before 1948. This is your logic I am asking you to explain. Or is your logic inexplicable?

If you were to meet a Jew and discover that their great-grandparents, or earlier ancestors, migrated to Australia prior to 1948, how much difficulty would you have refraining from killing them?

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But you still can't come to terms with the root cause.


I told you what the root cause is. Islam. I even quoted some Muslims openly admitting that Islam motivates them to support ongoing violence, and not just in Israel. You have been tiptoeing around some other root cause, but I am yet to see you clearly state what it is. Are you afraid of what people will think of you?
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Reply #114 - Today at 2:43pm
 
freediver wrote Today at 11:55am:
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Could you apply that highlighted comment to yourself about support for the actions of the Christchurch killer?


What support? I am not saying he did it because Jews migrated to Palestine before 1948. This is your logic I am asking you to explain. Or is your logic inexplicable?

If you were to meet a Jew and discover that their great-grandparents, or earlier ancestors, migrated to Australia prior to 1948, how much difficulty would you have refraining from killing them?

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But you still can't come to terms with the root cause.


I told you what the root cause is. Islam. I even quoted some Muslims openly admitting that Islam motivates them to support ongoing violence, and not just in Israel. You have been tiptoeing around some other root cause, but I am yet to see you clearly state what it is. Are you afraid of what people will think of you?

The root cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict is pre-1948 Jewish mass migration into Palestine and Revisionist Zionism’s military actions to support it.

That it went on to trigger a religious cultural war well beyond the region as a result is, as it turned out, a toxic consequence of the conflict, similar, though much greater, than the IRA’s internationalising of the Northern Ireland conflict.

In that conflict, the Catholic Irish in the likes of Australia and the US gave largely financial support to the IRA.




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The root cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict is pre-1948 Jewish mass migration into Palestine and Revisionist Zionism’s military actions to support it.


When you say "actions", do you mean Jewish conspiracies that never actually transpired? Because so far you have given us a lot of conspiracies, and a lot of excuses for why the reality is pretty much the opposite of the picture you try to paint.

When you say "Revisionist Zionism" are you referring to actual people, or is this another way of referring to Jewish conspiracies?

If the migrants had not been Jews, would they have been the root cause of violence?

Why is only the pre-1948 migration the root cause of ongoing violence, when most of it happened after 1948? In fact, from 48 to the early 50's more Jews migrated in than lived in Israel prior to 48.

Why do you think that the establishment of the state of Israel itself is not a cause? Do you think that all the Muslims who want to wipe out Israel don't actually care about the existence of the state of Israel, it's creation in 1948, or the Jews that migrated there, largely from Arab countries, after 1948?
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Reply #116 - Today at 3:21pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote Today at 2:43pm:
the root cause.


The circus is back in town but you missed the boat where the root cause was on  Shocked

https://nypost.com/2026/04/18/world-news/greta-thunbergs-freedom-flotilla-rocked
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Reply #117 - Today at 4:04pm
 
I suspect Meister's 8 page tap dance routine is an elaborate effort at turd polishing. He wants to legitimise killing Jews and all the Islamic Jew-hating propaganda that goes along with it. So we can't have Muslims being motivated to kill them just because they are Jewish, or because they are ideologically opposed to the existence of a state called Israel run by Jews, or because all the Jews cleansed from Arab countries ended up in Israel rather than crawling off and dying somewhere quietly, or because they migrated to Israel when it was an independent nation and permitted by Meister to have its own immigration policy, or because they oppose fellow Muslims having their minds poisoned in the liberal democracy that Israel has created, or, worst of all, because Muhammad told them to kill Jews.

So Muslims are only allowed to want to kill Jews for reasons that Meister considers legitimate. Which is why Meister is so busy collecting every illegal or immoral thing done by Jews and pretending that is the only part of the story that gets the Muslims wound up.

He doesn't "think" this is the root cause, he merely "prefers" it to be the root cause, because it allows him to blame Jew killing entirely on Jews and absolve Islam and Muslims, to the extent possible, from responsibility for their own actions.
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Reply #118 - Today at 5:02pm
 
freediver wrote Today at 3:00pm:
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The root cause of the Arab-Israeli conflict is pre-1948 Jewish mass migration into Palestine and Revisionist Zionism’s military actions to support it.


When you say "actions", do you mean Jewish conspiracies that never actually transpired? Because so far you have given us a lot of conspiracies, and a lot of excuses for why the reality is pretty much the opposite of the picture you try to paint.

When you say "Revisionist Zionism" are you referring to actual people, or is this another way of referring to Jewish conspiracies?

If the migrants had not been Jews, would they have been the root cause of violence?

Why is only the pre-1948 migration the root cause of ongoing violence, when most of it happened after 1948? In fact, from 48 to the early 50's more Jews migrated in than lived in Israel prior to 48.

Why do you think that the establishment of the state of Israel itself is not a cause? Do you think that all the Muslims who want to wipe out Israel don't actually care about the existence of the state of Israel, it's creation in 1948, or the Jews that migrated there, largely from Arab countries, after 1948?

As I’ve said, your knowledge is world politics and political history is woeful… about that of a 15-year-old.

Revisionist Zionism and its militant activities are well documented, including Menachim Begin’s very public showdown with David Ben Gurion on Tel Aviv beach. Begin was the Revisionist leader at the time and was shipping in Zionist militants against the will of the fledgling Israeli leftist labor-Zionist leaning government.

The ship was sunk in the showdown.

Why have you not googled or AI’d revisionist Zionism before posting? You’ll find that two former Israeli PMs, Begin and Shamir, we’re both Revisionists and deemed international terrorists before being elected as PMs. Both were responsible for violent attacks on the British and Arabs.

After 1948, Israel claimed the right to manage its own affairs, so immigration into Israel once it was a recognised state was an internal matter.

Israel’s creation was a direct result of mass Jewish immigration.

80% of Jews were migrating from Europe into Palestine, after centuries of Europeans murdering Jews for being Jews, culminating in the holocaust. After israel’s creation, the Arab response in many Arab states was to expel jews… and again in 1956 when Israel joined Britain and France and captured the Sinai.



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Reply #119 - Today at 5:07pm
 
Given freedivers reversion to the same debunked drivel, I suspect his is a psychological or a developmental disorder.

And, of course, a coward.

Accepting the burden of the moral consequences of supporting Israel takes maturity… so… that’s freediver out.

This burden was warned of by Jabotinsky… Either zionists create a state in place of Palestine by all means necessary, or Zionism itself must cease.
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