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Re: Trump agrees to a 2 week cease fire:
Reply #90 - Apr 10th, 2026 at 12:15pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 10th, 2026 at 10:49am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 9th, 2026 at 11:20pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 9th, 2026 at 8:55pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 9th, 2026 at 11:50am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 9th, 2026 at 9:47am:
Apparently israel bombed Lebanon more

They also struck Iran's Oil Refinery on Lavan island, unless Trump did that...




JD said Lebanon wasn't part of the ceasefire.



The Pakistani mediators said it was.

Let's look at the text of the ceasefire agreement then.

Oh wait, we can't, because like all things Trump, he half arsed it and there isn't any.

Yet we're still championing his ceasefire?

Tired of winning yet?


Here is video with JD who took part in negotiations saying Lebanon wasn't part of the deal.
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Vice President JD Vance: "I think this comes from a legitimate misunderstanding. I think the Iranians thought the ceasefire included Lebanon, and it just didn't. We never made that promise, we never indicated that was gonna be the case."

https://x.com/Osint613/status/2041997167397659117


The US isn't doing any military operations in Lebanon why would they agree to any ceasefire with Lebanon when they aren't blowing stuff up there?
How can they ceasefire there when they aren't firing anything?

Hezbollah translated from Arabic = "Party of God"
Hezbollah started attacking Israel on Oct 7th same day Hamas attacked Israel.
Lebanese government can't control Hezbollah they have asked them to stop attacking Israel they have ignored the Lebanese government and continue to fire unguided rockets into Israel which is a war crime.

Israel isn't attacking Lebanon they're attacking Hezbollah which the Australian government has listed as a terrorist group

Under Australian law, it is illegal to:
Be a member of Hizballah
Provide support, funds, or resources to the group
Recruit for it or associate with it in certain ways
Display its symbols/flags
https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/what-australia-is-doing/terrorist-organisati...

A ceasefire between Israel and the terrorist group Hezbollah has nothing to do with the US.

We know leftists like you are simping for terrorists through ignorance or stupidity or a combination of both.








So you can't point to the text of the ceasefire that excludes Lebanon?



We're gonna take that as a 'no', Baron.

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Re: Trump agrees to a 2 week cease fire:
Reply #91 - Apr 10th, 2026 at 12:32pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 10th, 2026 at 11:01am:
The murder has to stop:



Indeed.

It won't though.

Not while two blood-thirsty, genocidal sociopaths are calling the shots.

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Re: Trump agrees to a 2 week cease fire:
Reply #92 - Apr 10th, 2026 at 12:42pm
 
Well - the Pakis didn't negotiate a ceasefire on Hezbollah with Israel - they seem to mistake Trump for some kind of global dictator who could just order them to stop defending Israel.

It's a common error from those who live under despotic governance such as the gross imposition of Islam.  They seem to imagine he is an Ayatollah with total powers from God .. but he is only a US President bound by rules and constraints... not some 'living god', but a man.

It shows, really - that the ceasefire offer - which was what Trump was after alongside the re-opening of the Strait - was not genuine.  They knew when presenting these outrageous deands that they could not be sustained, so they were merely looking for an excuse for Iran to re-commence hostilities and try to play the victim and the good guy.

With good guys like that - who needs enemies?
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Re: Trump agrees to a 2 week cease fire:
Reply #93 - Apr 10th, 2026 at 12:48pm
 
That's what you get when you declare holy war on the world.

Clearly the Ayatollah considers himself the new Mahdi...
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Re: Trump agrees to a 2 week cease fire:
Reply #94 - Apr 10th, 2026 at 1:03pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Apr 10th, 2026 at 12:42pm:
Well - the Pakis didn't negotiate a ceasefire on Hezbollah with Israel - they seem to mistake Trump for some kind of global dictator who could just order them to stop defending Israel.

It's a common error from those who live under despotic governance such as the gross imposition of Islam.  They seem to imagine he is an Ayatollah with total powers from God .. but he is only a US President bound by rules and constraints... not some 'living god', but a man.

It shows, really - that the ceasefire offer - which was what Trump was after alongside the re-opening of the Strait - was not genuine.  They knew when presenting these outrageous deands that they could not be sustained, so they were merely looking for an excuse for Iran to re-commence hostilities and try to play the victim and the good guy.

With good guys like that - who needs enemies?


What you've written isn't analysis, it's a pile of lazy deflections wrapped in casual racism.

Referring to Pakistanis as "Pakis" while lecturing others about "despotic governance" doesn't make you sound informed, it just advertises the level of bias driving your entire argument. If you start from that place, of course you're going to contort reality to defend Trump and absolve Israel of any responsibility.

The core issue you're dodging is simple, if a ceasefire is mediated and explicitly understood to include Lebanon, then continuing strikes on Lebanese territory, regardless of whether you label the target Hezbollah, is a breach in substance if not in semantics. You don't get to redefine a ceasefire after the fact to excuse ongoing military action.

And this idea that Trump is just a passive actor "bound by constraints" is revisionism. No one is claiming he's an ayatollah, but he is the President of the United States, the primary backer of Israel, with enormous leverage. If he proposes or endorses a ceasefire framework, he owns the credibility of that framework. If it collapses while one side continues striking, hand-waving it away as "defence" isn't neutrality, it's complicity.

Your claim that the ceasefire was never genuine is also convenient, it shifts blame onto Iran by asserting bad faith without actually engaging with the sequence of events. It's an unfalsifiable excuse, not an argument. By that logic, any breach by Israel is pre-justified, and any response by Iran is proof of their duplicity. That's circular reasoning.

What's actually happening here is far more straightforward, you're starting with the conclusion that Trump and Israel must be right, and then working backwards to rationalise every contradiction, even if that means ignoring the mediator's stated terms and pretending geography doesn't count.

If you want to have a serious discussion, drop the slurs, drop the double standards, and engage with the reality that ceasefires aren't meaningful if one side can keep bombing a neighbouring country and call it "not part of the deal".
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Re: Trump agrees to a 2 week cease fire:
Reply #95 - Apr 11th, 2026 at 7:47am
 
'Donald Trump has warned Iran it holds 'no cards' ahead of crucial peace talks set to be held in Islamabad, Pakistan.

US President Donald Trump posted on Truth Social, “The Iranians don’t seem to realise they have no cards other than a short-term extortion of the world by using international waterways.”'

The Ayatollahs threaten Holy Israel's imperial power. They are the same as Zelenskyy who holds no cards. Ukraine threatens Putin's empire and will get Iran's treatment under American justice.  This will include Trump swearing at them in tweets.
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Reply #96 - Apr 11th, 2026 at 8:19am
 
Participants in the talks in Islamabad

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Re: Trump agrees to a 2 week cease fire:
Reply #97 - Apr 23rd, 2026 at 9:52am
 
So long as the Iranian regime – or Hamas or Hezbollah -- is able to survive, there will be no disarmament, no moderation, and no peace.

The repeated refusals by Iran's regime, Hamas and Hezbollah expose the failure of any policy built on engagement, incentives, or accommodation.

These terror entities do not interpret diplomatic overtures, off-ramps and ceasefires as goodwill. They view them instead as weakness.


They are right. It is, indeed, the West's fault that it allows itself to be exploited. The West not only gives these leaders time to rearm and rebuild, but worse, it grants them legitimacy and power bases throughout Europe and the United States. No one in the West even asks them to concede anything of substance.


Every pause that leaves them intact only strengthens their belief that they are winning.

Until there is a better understanding by the West of what jihad actually is -- and the uncompromising determination behind it -- every negotiation, threat and ceasefire will only lead to more terrorism and the next war.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/22453/iran-hamas-hezbollah-power



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Reply #98 - Apr 23rd, 2026 at 9:55am
 
For the Iranian regime and its proxies, survival equals victory. If they are not destroyed, if they retain their weapons, if they remain in power, they can claim success.

So far as they are concerned, there are no compromises. In any conflict, no matter how severe, if any of their leaders -- no matter how freshly branded -- are still standing, that is proof that their strategy of armed confrontation, refusing to back down, and jihad works.

This outlook is precisely why all ceasefires will be repeatedly exploited by Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah. The ceasefires are regarded simply as opportunities that provide time to rearm, regroup, and prepare for the next round of fighting. They reinforce the belief that jihad and "resistance" deliver results.

For the US, this should be the clearest warning sign: negotiations, promises, ceasefire agreements -- all intended by the West to reduce violence -- are instead interpreted as validation of the jihadists' approach.

The Western belief that negotiations and ceasefires can evolve into peace agreements with Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranian regime is – as has been proven – unfortunately false.

In these cultures, agreements do not have a moderating effect on the power structures. Negotiations, threats, and even bombings do not deter anyone or lead to disarmament. On the contrary, they reinforce defiance.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/22453/iran-hamas-hezbollah-power
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Re: Trump agrees to a 2 week cease fire:
Reply #99 - Apr 23rd, 2026 at 2:59pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2026 at 9:52am:
So long as the Iranian regime – or Hamas or Hezbollah -- is able to survive, there will be no disarmament, no moderation, and no peace.

The repeated refusals by Iran's regime, Hamas and Hezbollah expose the failure of any policy built on engagement, incentives, or accommodation.

These terror entities do not interpret diplomatic overtures, off-ramps and ceasefires as goodwill. They view them instead as weakness.


They are right. It is, indeed, the West's fault that it allows itself to be exploited. The West not only gives these leaders time to rearm and rebuild, but worse, it grants them legitimacy and power bases throughout Europe and the United States. No one in the West even asks them to concede anything of substance.


Every pause that leaves them intact only strengthens their belief that they are winning.

Until there is a better understanding by the West of what jihad actually is -- and the uncompromising determination behind it -- every negotiation, threat and ceasefire will only lead to more terrorism and the next war.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/22453/iran-hamas-hezbollah-power





I say, dear boy, a penny for your thoughts. Do you support boots on the ground in Iran?

General Caine's been reviewing the options. A land invasion of Iran, a country with 1.5 million active troops, will require at least 500,000 American soldiers, necessitating the return of the draft.

Do you support that?

A simple yes or no will suffice.
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Reply #100 - Apr 23rd, 2026 at 3:03pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 23rd, 2026 at 9:55am:
For the Iranian regime and its proxies, survival equals victory. If they are not destroyed, if they retain their weapons, if they remain in power, they can claim success.

So far as they are concerned, there are no compromises. In any conflict, no matter how severe, if any of their leaders -- no matter how freshly branded -- are still standing, that is proof that their strategy of armed confrontation, refusing to back down, and jihad works.

This outlook is precisely why all ceasefires will be repeatedly exploited by Iran, Hamas and Hezbollah. The ceasefires are regarded simply as opportunities that provide time to rearm, regroup, and prepare for the next round of fighting. They reinforce the belief that jihad and "resistance" deliver results.

For the US, this should be the clearest warning sign: negotiations, promises, ceasefire agreements -- all intended by the West to reduce violence -- are instead interpreted as validation of the jihadists' approach.

The Western belief that negotiations and ceasefires can evolve into peace agreements with Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Iranian regime is – as has been proven – unfortunately false.

In these cultures, agreements do not have a moderating effect on the power structures. Negotiations, threats, and even bombings do not deter anyone or lead to disarmament. On the contrary, they reinforce defiance.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/22453/iran-hamas-hezbollah-power


Don't lie, old boy. Pete's already carried out regime change, as DL says.

He's made the world 100% safer, even if we had to cop a minor fuel supply shock in return.

And that's okay. We can now buy our fuel from America, Venezuela, Russia and Iran, so that's that.

We will make America great again, no?
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Re: Trump agrees to a 2 week cease fire:
Reply #101 - Apr 23rd, 2026 at 3:15pm
 
Big Donger wrote on Apr 23rd, 2026 at 3:03pm:
Don't lie, old boy. Pete's already carried out regime change, as DL says.

He's made the world 100% safer, even if we had to cop a minor fuel supply shock in return.

And that's okay. We can now buy our fuel from America, Venezuela, Russia and Iran, so that's that.

We will make America great again, no?





Sure, Pete. That sounds real noble.
But the things is, Petey,  everybody thinks God is on their side. Every dictator who ever burned a village. Every inquisitor who ever lit a match. Every warlord who marched into somebody else's country waving a cross or a crescent or whatever holy symbol was handy that week.
They all said the same thing. God gave us this. God is with us.
It's the oldest trick in the book, actually. Wrap your politics in religion and suddenly nobody's allowed to question you... because questioning you means questioning the Almighty. Very convenient.
And Pete Hegseth, of all people, is going to tell us which rights God endorses? The guy's a Fox News host turned Defense Secretary. Not exactly Moses coming down from the mountain.
Look, the idea that rights come from God and not government sounds deep. It's meant to. But the moment you start deciding which rights God gave us... and which ones He apparently forgot, that's just one man's opinion dressed up in a robe and a halo.
Only the truly convinced... or the truly unquestioning... will hear that quote and think: yes, finally, someone who speaks for the divine.
The rest of us will just nod politely and back away slowly... chuckling.
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Reply #102 - Apr 23rd, 2026 at 3:22pm
 

They've given up on deadlines now.

'President Rapist and convicted felon Donald Trump announced the extension of the ceasefire with Iran to continue until a "unified proposal" for peace is submitted by Tehran, effectively removing an immediate expiration date.'

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Reply #103 - Apr 23rd, 2026 at 6:05pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 23rd, 2026 at 3:15pm:
Big Donger wrote on Apr 23rd, 2026 at 3:03pm:
Don't lie, old boy. Pete's already carried out regime change, as DL says.

He's made the world 100% safer, even if we had to cop a minor fuel supply shock in return.

And that's okay. We can now buy our fuel from America, Venezuela, Russia and Iran, so that's that.

We will make America great again, no?





Sure, Pete. That sounds real noble.
But the things is, Petey,  everybody thinks God is on their side. Every dictator who ever burned a village. Every inquisitor who ever lit a match. Every warlord who marched into somebody else's country waving a cross or a crescent or whatever holy symbol was handy that week.
They all said the same thing. God gave us this. God is with us.
It's the oldest trick in the book, actually. Wrap your politics in religion and suddenly nobody's allowed to question you... because questioning you means questioning the Almighty. Very convenient.
And Pete Hegseth, of all people, is going to tell us which rights God endorses? The guy's a Fox News host turned Defense Secretary. Not exactly Moses coming down from the mountain.
Look, the idea that rights come from God and not government sounds deep. It's meant to. But the moment you start deciding which rights God gave us... and which ones He apparently forgot, that's just one man's opinion dressed up in a robe and a halo.
Only the truly convinced... or the truly unquestioning... will hear that quote and think: yes, finally, someone who speaks for the divine.
The rest of us will just nod politely and back away slowly... chuckling.


Don't be so disrespectful, Bobby. You're not talking about "Petey", you're talking about God.
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Re: Trump agrees to a 2 week cease fire:
Reply #104 - Apr 23rd, 2026 at 6:21pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 23rd, 2026 at 3:22pm:
They've given up on deadlines now.

'President Rapist and convicted felon Donald Trump announced the extension of the ceasefire with Iran to continue until a "unified proposal" for peace is submitted by Tehran, effectively removing an immediate expiration date.'



No no, Greggery, Bobby gave him six weeks. He distinctly said, and I quote, I'm going to give DL the benefit of the doubt here, but if he hasn't fixed this mess up in six weeks, I will "rescind all support...

Yes, we said, finish the sentence.

"...worship and devotion hitherto and henceforth."

Thanks, Bobby, we said. You've got six weeks.

Time's up.

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