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Reply #240 - Apr 19th, 2026 at 10:34pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 19th, 2026 at 8:06pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 8:59pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 8:39pm:
Frank:

Are other countries allowed to murder a disabled detainee, kick a handcuffed prisoner off a cliff, order rookie soldiers to execute others in an initiation practice called 'blooding', and plant items on the alleged victims to cover-up misconduct, or are these war crimes restricted to Australian soldiers only?


Frank?


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Reply #241 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 11:11am
 
In 1981, 70.3 per cent of Australians described themselves as very proud of their nationality. By 2018, that figure had fallen to 60.8 per cent among the first Gen Z cohort to be surveyed.

Into that already fragile environment, the AFP and the Office of the Special Investigator have just dropped the image of Australia’s most decorated living soldier being walked across an airport tarmac in handcuffs, filmed, packaged, and distributed as state-produced content. Just weeks before Anzac Day.



Ben Roberts-Smith is innocent until proven otherwise. That is not a sentiment. It is the foundation of the legal system under which he will be tried, and it deserves to be stated plainly before anything else in this debate.

He is a recipient of the Victoria Cross; the highest military honour Australia bestows. He served in conditions that most Australians will never experience and cannot fully comprehend. The physical and psychological demands placed on SAS soldiers in Afghanistan were extreme. The moral environment in which they operated, fighting an enemy that used civilians as shields, that planted bombs in children’s toys, that executed prisoners without hesitation, was one of genuine ambiguity and constant danger.

The AFP and the Office of the Special Investigator did not merely arrest a man. They staged an event. They issued a media release directing journalists to a portal where ‘arrest vision’ was available for download. They issued a second release shortly afterwards, in case anyone had missed the first. The footage, featuring Roberts-Smith’s blurred face but universally recognisable figure, was distributed by the state itself, not captured by bystanders, not leaked from a source inside the investigation. Produced, packaged, and released.

You will be deployed into morally complex situations, with
rules of engagement that may shift under you, against enemies who play by no rules at all.
And if something goes wrong, or if the political winds change, the state will not protect you. It will film your arrest and put it on the internet.
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Reply #242 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 1:57pm
 
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Reply #243 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 2:06pm
 
BRS caused an Australian court to find that he probably committed murder of Afghan citizens in Afghanistan.

What else should Afghanistan do with this?

Let it pass? Or demand that the Australian government determine beyond a reasonable doubt whether or not BRS committed murder?
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Reply #244 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 8:56pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 2:06pm:
BRS caused an Australian court to find that he probably committed murder of Afghan citizens in Afghanistan.

What else should Afghanistan do with this?

Let it pass? Or demand that the Australian government determine beyond a reasonable doubt whether or not BRS committed murder?

Afghanistan is a failed state shitehole. The distinction between taliban, tribal fighters, terrrorists and assorted other irregular murderous jihadis is non-existent.

The talibs are 'civilians' like all assymetrical combatants. Even uniformed Afghan soldiers murdered Australian soldiers. I have no time for this BS of treating treacherous, dishonest jihadi Afghan goatherds as if they were upright, honest and trusworthy allies or bystanders.

The SAS was sent in to kill them. They did.



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Reply #245 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 8:59pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 8:56pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 2:06pm:
BRS caused an Australian court to find that he probably committed murder of Afghan citizens in Afghanistan.

What else should Afghanistan do with this?

Let it pass? Or demand that the Australian government determine beyond a reasonable doubt whether or not BRS committed murder?

Afghanistan is a failed state shitehole. The distinction between taliban, tribal fighters, terrrorists and assorted other irregular murderous jihadis is non-existent.

The talibs are 'civilians' like all assymetrical combatants. Even uniformed Afghan soldiers murdered Australian soldiers. I have no time for this BS of treating treacherous, dishonest jihadi Afghan goatherds as if they were upright, honest and trusworthy allies or bystanders.

The SAS was sent in to kill them. They did.




Hard to imagine an Australian PM referring to a recognised nation-state as a failed shitehole.
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Reply #246 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 9:28pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 8:59pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 8:56pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 2:06pm:
BRS caused an Australian court to find that he probably committed murder of Afghan citizens in Afghanistan.

What else should Afghanistan do with this?

Let it pass? Or demand that the Australian government determine beyond a reasonable doubt whether or not BRS committed murder?

Afghanistan is a failed state shitehole. The distinction between taliban, tribal fighters, terrrorists and assorted other irregular murderous jihadis is non-existent.

The talibs are 'civilians' like all assymetrical combatants. Even uniformed Afghan soldiers murdered Australian soldiers. I have no time for this BS of treating treacherous, dishonest jihadi Afghan goatherds as if they were upright, honest and trusworthy allies or bystanders.

The SAS was sent in to kill them. They did.




Hard to imagine an Australian PM referring to a recognised nation-state as a failed shitehole.

Australian PMs are not paragons of sincerity.

Afghanistan IS a failed state shitehole because of the people who populate it.
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Reply #247 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 9:52pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 9:28pm:
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Hard to imagine an Australian PM referring to a recognised nation-state as a failed shitehole.

Australian PMs are not paragons of sincerity.

Afghanistan IS a failed state shitehole because of the people who populate it.

They're heads of Australian governments who'd be aware that insulting nation-states and dismissing the probable murders of their citizens by an Australian as not worthy of investigation could likely endanger the lives of Australians.
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Reply #248 - Apr 20th, 2026 at 11:16pm
 
No POWS were taken by Taliban during the war they don't follow Geneva conventions

The Book of Jihad by Ibn Nuhaas explains the rules of war for muslims.

It quotes from Quran and Sunnah

Google it or download free copy here-
https://dn710800.ca.archive.org/0/items/TheBookOfJihad/Mashari.pdf
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Reply #249 - Apr 21st, 2026 at 1:11pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 2:06pm:
Or demand that the Australian government determine beyond a reasonable doubt whether or not BRS committed murder?



So how to determine "beyond reasonable doubt" when the four "witnesses" have actually admitted to murder? No credibility, no forensics, no bodies. Roll Eyes
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Reply #250 - Apr 21st, 2026 at 1:17pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 21st, 2026 at 1:11pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 2:06pm:
Or demand that the Australian government determine beyond a reasonable doubt whether or not BRS committed murder?



So how to determine "beyond reasonable doubt" when the four "witnesses" have actually admitted to murder? No credibility, no forensics, no bodies. Roll Eyes

That will be the question the jury will have to answer.

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Reply #251 - Apr 21st, 2026 at 1:45pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 20th, 2026 at 11:16pm:
No POWS were taken by Taliban during the war they don't follow Geneva conventions


So, your argument is that the ADF is as bad as the Taliban?

Interesting.
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Reply #252 - Apr 21st, 2026 at 2:26pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21st, 2026 at 1:17pm:
That will be the question the jury will have to answer.



How can you empanel a jury, when the facts of the case are in doubt?
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Reply #253 - Apr 21st, 2026 at 2:33pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 21st, 2026 at 2:26pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21st, 2026 at 1:17pm:
That will be the question the jury will have to answer.



How can you empanel a jury, when the facts of the case are in doubt?

Isn’t that the point of a trial?

The defence can raise objections where necessary,

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Reply #254 - Apr 21st, 2026 at 3:43pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 21st, 2026 at 2:33pm:
Isn’t that the point of a trial?



No, the point of a trial is to present evidence, to prove a case. No forensics - No evidence, No bodies - no evidence. The four witnesses admitted to murder  copped a plea deal - suspect evidence.

Why if there is a plethora of evidence would they need up to 9 years to go to trial?
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