Forum

 
  Back to OzPolitic.com   Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register
  Forum Home Album HelpSearch Recent Rules LoginRegister  
 

Pages: 1 ... 13 14 15 16 17 ... 20
Send Topic Print
Ben arrested (Read 9222 times)
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16964
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #210 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 4:32pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 12:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 11:12am:
- what's in it for them to pursue & convict an "innocent" man and national hero?



There is a problem. The four other men, to be used as witnesses, have been given immunity, for their admitted killings. The government needs a head. The problem I have is that there is no evidence except for those who have admitted killing.

I am not saying it is so, but, the fear of themselves having to face trial, would make it easier for them to apportion blame elsewhere. The old saying "get your licks in first" may apply.

A corporal is not high up the ladder, but a VC winner is. And a corporal VC winner beats four privates, in this hand.

"he who offers testimony first gets the deal". Where have I heard that?

Fact is, no one knows who the prosecution has as witnesses other than those publicly named, nor any other evidence beyond what is available via the BRS's failed defamation case. The identities of any other possible witnesses would be confidential.

Secondly, if a state actor (e.g. Afghanistan or another nation) has evidence or witnesses against BRS, this would be an international red flag to the Australian government if it declined to prosecute.

Thirdly, given the sheer complexity of the process, the trial could take years to conclude, during which it could be abandoned at any time.

Fourth, the likelihood of selecting a jury whose members have not already formed an opinion on the matter will be extremely low.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20657
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #211 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 5:41pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
nor any other evidence beyond what is available via the BRS's failed defamation case.


Which the judge decided on civil law. "(1)    In a civil proceeding, the court must find the case of a party proved if it is satisfied that the case has been proved on the balance of probabilities"

https://www.judgments.fedcourt.gov.au/judgments/Judgments/fca/single/2023/2023fc...

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
Secondly, if a state actor (e.g. Afghanistan or another nation) has evidence or witnesses against BRS, this would be an international red flag to the Australian government if it declined to prosecute.


The government has said that they will pay Afghan witnesses. Just imagine a poor Afghani being offered money, money for jam.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16964
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #212 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 6:29pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 5:41pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
Secondly, if a state actor (e.g. Afghanistan or another nation) has evidence or witnesses against BRS, this would be an international red flag to the Australian government if it declined to prosecute.


The government has said that they will pay Afghan witnesses. Just imagine a poor Afghani being offered money, money for jam.


Just imagine if it's a high-ranking foreign diplomat or other internationally highly credible foreign identity... or a nation-state security intelligence org... Given how this has been going for years, it has likely saturated international agencies... made more noteworthy by the accused being a Victoria Cross recipient.

Could be that state actors or other international orgs want to use this case to make a case against, say, the glorification of war.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20657
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #213 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 6:43pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 6:29pm:
Just imagine if it's a high-ranking foreign diplomat or other internationally highly credible foreign identity... or a nation-state security intelligence org...


That was a witness? That seems very far-fetched.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16964
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #214 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 6:59pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 6:43pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 6:29pm:
Just imagine if it's a high-ranking foreign diplomat or other internationally highly credible foreign identity... or a nation-state security intelligence org...


That was a witness? That seems very far-fetched.

Why? The US was disgraced internationally by high-profile illegal killings in Vietnam.

Unlike the US, which largely ignores condemnation by state actors, Australia is an easy and weak target for foreign entities to make a point against the US war machine, given that Afghanistan was a US-inspired war lasting over 20 years.

No nation-state thinks it's OK for a foreign state to murder its citizens.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
lee
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 20657
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #215 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:02pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 6:59pm:
The US was disgraced internationally by high-profile illegal killings in Vietnam.



And nothing to do with real live high level witnesses.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 6:59pm:
No nation-state thinks it's OK for a foreign state to murder its citizens.


i agree with that.
Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16964
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #216 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:19pm
 
lee wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:02pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 6:59pm:
The US was disgraced internationally by high-profile illegal killings in Vietnam.



And nothing to do with real live high level witnesses.

I didn't say they were, only that there could be - e.g. high-level identities taking up the cause of the alleged murdered's relatives or clan... or even the nation-state itself wanting justice for its citizens being seen to be done.

The maximally visible and dramatic circumstances of BRS's arrest - as he was boarding a plane - with his family - in full public view, with cameras rolling... none of it necessary, indicate that the Australian government wanted this to be visible from the moon... Why?

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 58016
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #217 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:44pm
 
This is a MASSIVE hit to ADF morale.
Send them to kill the enemy - then prosecute them for killing the enemy.


Back to top
 

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 152328
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #218 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:57pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:44pm:
This is a MASSIVE hit to ADF morale.
Send them to kill the enemy - then prosecute them for killing the enemy.



There are allegations that he "murdered a disabled Afghan detainee, kicked a handcuffed prisoner off a cliff, ordered rookie soldiers execute others in an initiation practice called 'blooding', and planted items on the alleged victims to cover-up misconduct".

So, if the enemy did the same thing you're okay with that, yeah?

Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
MeisterEckhart
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 16964
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #219 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 8:01pm
 
Given that an Australian lower court has found that BRS probably did murder Afghan citizens, it's probable that Afghanistan would consider itself to be dishonouring itself, the dead and all Afghans if it did not insist that the Australian government prove beyond a reasonable doubt that BRS committed those crimes.

Back to top
 
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 152328
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #220 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 8:10pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:57pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:44pm:
This is a MASSIVE hit to ADF morale.
Send them to kill the enemy - then prosecute them for killing the enemy.



There are allegations that he "murdered a disabled Afghan detainee, kicked a handcuffed prisoner off a cliff, ordered rookie soldiers execute others in an initiation practice called 'blooding', and planted items on the alleged victims to cover-up misconduct".

So, if the enemy did the same thing you're okay with that, yeah?



Frank?

If the Afghans were sent out to kill the enemy, they shouldn't be prosecuted for killing the enemy, yeah?

You stand by your words, surely.
Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 152328
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #221 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 8:23pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 8:10pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:57pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:44pm:
This is a MASSIVE hit to ADF morale.
Send them to kill the enemy - then prosecute them for killing the enemy.



There are allegations that he "murdered a disabled Afghan detainee, kicked a handcuffed prisoner off a cliff, ordered rookie soldiers execute others in an initiation practice called 'blooding', and planted items on the alleged victims to cover-up misconduct".

So, if the enemy did the same thing you're okay with that, yeah?



Frank?

If the Afghans were sent out to kill the enemy, they shouldn't be prosecuted for killing the enemy, yeah?

You stand by your words, surely.


Oh look, Frank's gone.

When you return, Frank, can you answer this?

Are other countries allowed to murder a disabled detainee, kick a handcuffed prisoner off a cliff, order rookie soldiers to execute others in an initiation practice called 'blooding', and plant items on the alleged victims to cover-up misconduct, or are these war crimes restricted to Australian soldiers only?

If so, why?

I'm curious.
Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
Frank
Gold Member
*****
Online


Australian Politics

Posts: 58016
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #222 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 8:26pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:57pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:44pm:
This is a MASSIVE hit to ADF morale.
Send them to kill the enemy - then prosecute them for killing the enemy.



There are allegations that he "murdered a disabled Afghan detainee, kicked a handcuffed prisoner off a cliff, ordered rookie soldiers execute others in an initiation practice called 'blooding', and planted items on the alleged victims to cover-up misconduct".

So, if the enemy did the same thing you're okay with that, yeah?


The enemy is to be killed. They killed the enemy. That was the job.

Now the silly buggers who sent them to kill the enemy are prosecuting them for...er... killing the enemy.
A disgrace.


Back to top
 

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 152328
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #223 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 8:38pm
 
Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 8:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:57pm:
Frank wrote on Apr 18th, 2026 at 7:44pm:
This is a MASSIVE hit to ADF morale.
Send them to kill the enemy - then prosecute them for killing the enemy.



There are allegations that he "murdered a disabled Afghan detainee, kicked a handcuffed prisoner off a cliff, ordered rookie soldiers execute others in an initiation practice called 'blooding', and planted items on the alleged victims to cover-up misconduct".

So, if the enemy did the same thing you're okay with that, yeah?


The enemy is to be killed. They killed the enemy. That was the job.

Now the silly buggers who sent them to kill the enemy are prosecuting them for...er... killing the enemy.
A disgrace.




So, the same goes for the other side, yeah?

Australia is their enemy.

The enemy is to be killed. They killed the enemy. That was the job.

Now the silly buggers who sent them to kill the enemy are prosecuting them for...er... killing the enemy.
A disgrace.

Or, are you saying it only applies to Australia?


Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
greggerypeccary
Gold Member
*****
Offline


Australian Politics

Posts: 152328
Gender: male
Re: Ben arrested
Reply #224 - Apr 18th, 2026 at 8:39pm
 

Frank:

Are other countries allowed to murder a disabled detainee, kick a handcuffed prisoner off a cliff, order rookie soldiers to execute others in an initiation practice called 'blooding', and plant items on the alleged victims to cover-up misconduct, or are these war crimes restricted to Australian soldiers only?
Back to top
 

GOP = Guardians Of Paedophiles
 
IP Logged
 
Pages: 1 ... 13 14 15 16 17 ... 20
Send Topic Print