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Re: Ben arrested
Reply #120 - Apr 10^th, 2026 at 7:53pm

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 7:27pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 6:30pm:

'The gunman at the base is dissimilar to the unarmed captive in the field.

And I never said anything different.'

2. 'Dezi Freeman shot cops so cops can shoot drivers over the breathalyser limit.'

'So what is your point of reference - two totally dissimilar actions. The cops with breathalysers are totally divorced from Freeman.'

You're arguing the gunman and captive aren't dissimilar.
But if you say they are dissimilar, then how can the gunman's act be connected with the captive?

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Re: Ben arrested
Reply #121 - Apr 10^th, 2026 at 7:59pm

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 7:27pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 6:30pm:

Cops in Victoria are in the area of Freeman

Some were. Were they also targeting drink drivers or were they concentrating on Freeman.

That's irrelevant to your idea that the gunman is similar to the captive. Freeman and drunk drivers are all law-breakers in Australia, so on your idea, drunks can be shot because of Freeman's crime. Drunk drivers could kill someone.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15426 Armidale Gender:	Re: Ben arrested Reply #122 - Apr 10^th, 2026 at 8:01pm lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 7:27pm: chimera wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 6:30pm: 'You're saying that murder is OK if people are angered by someone's treachery in another place. really? Where exactly did I say that? It's not a quote, it's the meaning of what you are saying.
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Re: Ben arrested
Reply #123 - Apr 10^th, 2026 at 8:03pm

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 7:27pm:

chimera wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 6:30pm:

Or it's OK if it's racial payback, all boongs are the same.

Just another attempt at obfusaction on something not even hinted at. And you wonder why people deride you.

It's a reasonable possible idea, as your idea is that one Afghan's crime is cause for another to be killed.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20625 Gender:	Re: Ben arrested Reply #124 - Apr 10^th, 2026 at 8:18pm chimera wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 8:03pm: It's a reasonable possible idea, as your idea is that one Afghan's crime is cause for another to be killed. You really are struggling. There is no evidence as yet presented, under criminal law, about another Afghan being killed.
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15426 Armidale Gender:	Re: Ben arrested Reply #125 - Apr 10^th, 2026 at 8:26pm erm...have you heard of Ben Roberts Smith? no?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20625 Gender:	Re: Ben arrested Reply #126 - Apr 10^th, 2026 at 8:34pm chimera wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 8:26pm: erm...have you heard of Ben Roberts Smith? You have heard of the differing evidence standards between civil and criminal court? No?
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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15426 Armidale Gender:	Re: Ben arrested Reply #127 - Apr 10^th, 2026 at 8:36pm So.. does that mean you don't find fault with my replies?
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20625 Gender:	Re: Ben arrested Reply #128 - Apr 10^th, 2026 at 9:14pm chimera wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 8:36pm: does that mean you don't find fault with my replies? When you think civil evidence equates to criminal evidence, that can't be the case. BRS has not had any criminal evidence against charges as yet.
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Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 90161 Proud Old White Australian Man Gender:	Re: Ben arrested Reply #129 - Apr 10^th, 2026 at 9:37pm He should be out on bail on own recognisance - he's not going to bolt.
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Re: Ben arrested
Reply #130 - Apr 11^th, 2026 at 6:58am

lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 9:14pm:

When you think civil evidence equates to criminal evidence, that can't be the case. BRS has not had any criminal evidence against charges as yet.

Goodo. That's not your issue about the gunman and Afghans in general. So I take it you accept the idea that the Geneva Convention on POW remains in force for ADF.

You write as if the gunman shooting trainers is fact and it had real connection with the POW being killed as a fact. Facts can't be called 'civil' or 'criminal', it's the court's opinion which defines the type of intent of a person. 'Beyond reasonable doubt' of a criminal mindset is the high level that the case will try to reach.

The matter of the Afghan gunman, unlawful combatants and spies etc then may be relevant for reducing the jail-time sentence, if one is given. The conditions were stressful, but so is standard war against a regular army. No-one expects regulars to email
'we're ambushing you at the village tomorrow. We have 200 troops, mortars and lots of bullets'.

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Reply #131 - Apr 11^th, 2026 at 7:00am

('Spies under international humanitarian law (IHL) and their subsequent treatment when captured.
While captured spies are not entitled to prisoner of war status and may be the subject of derogations from certain rights under IHL, they are not entirely without legal protections. For example, a spy cannot be kept entirely incommunicado and retains the right to humane treatment and a fair trial.

Consequences of Not Wearing Uniforms:
Loss of prisoner of war status and protection.
Liability for prosecution and punishment by military tribunals.)

So the captive Afghan is not called 'POW' but the legal protection still applies.
LWP-G 0-1-7 Internment and Detention 2007 is the ADF order.

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Re: Ben arrested
Reply #132 - Apr 11^th, 2026 at 10:03am

chimera wrote on Apr 11^th, 2026 at 7:00am:

('Spies under international humanitarian law (IHL) and their subsequent treatment when captured.
While captured spies are not entitled to prisoner of war status and may be the subject of derogations from certain rights under IHL, they are not entirely without legal protections. For example, a spy cannot be kept entirely incommunicado and retains the right to humane treatment and a fair trial.

Consequences of Not Wearing Uniforms:
Loss of prisoner of war status and protection.
Liability for prosecution and punishment by military tribunals.)

So the captive Afghan is not called 'POW' but the legal protection still applies.
LWP-G 0-1-7 Internment and Detention 2007 is the ADF order.

You're still an imbecile.

You should volunteer for the next OS engagement our troops are sent into.

But I'd warrant you wouldn't even pass basic training in any branch of the ADF.

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chimera Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 15426 Armidale Gender:	Re: Ben arrested Reply #133 - Apr 11^th, 2026 at 12:39pm Your abuse still means you have nothing in reply.
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Re: Ben arrested
Reply #134 - Apr 11^th, 2026 at 1:18pm

To recap I wrote yesterday -
lee wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 8:18pm:

There is no evidence as yet presented, under criminal law, about another Afghan being killed

To which you responded -
chimera wrote on Apr 10^th, 2026 at 8:26pm:

erm...have you heard of Ben Roberts Smith?

Now that tells all and sundry that you did not know that it was a civil case and not a criminal case and the evidence was civil. Alternatively you didn't understand what was written. Roll Eyes

chimera wrote on Apr 11^th, 2026 at 6:58am:

You write as if the gunman shooting trainers is fact and it had real connection with the POW being killed as a fact.

No the gunman shooting trainers is fact. There is no suggestion of any connection to POW's being killed. You just take two stories and mash them together. And for that you think I should not label you stupid? Oh dear. Roll Eyes

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