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Apr 2nd, 2026 at 5:26pm
 


Coal liquefaction (Coal-to-Liquids, or CTL) converts solid coal into liquid hydrocarbons—synthetic petroleum—to produce diesel, gasoline, or petrochemicals. Through direct hydrogenation or indirect gasification, it enhances energy security for coal-rich nations. While providing a crucial alternative to crude oil, it faces significant challenges from high capital costs, energy intensity, and environmental concerns, notably greenhouse gas emissions.
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Reply #1 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 5:29pm
 
https://wentworthreport.com/2026/04/02/australia-wakes-up-to-brown-coal-bonanza-...


Australia wakes up to brown coal bonanza —
1,000 years of energy, if only we didn’t believe faulty climate models. By Joanne Nova.

Five weeks after it started, suddenly Australians are noticing the bonanza under our feet all along.

That most hated thing, the unthinkable brown coal, could save the day if we would only stop beating it down with blunt sticks and Voodoo dolls.

In 2016 Geoscience Australia estimated we have so much brown coal we could keep burning the deposits we already know about at the current rate for our whole lives, and our children’s lives, and their children’s lives too. We could keep going for 40 generations. …



Brown coal could fill an awesome gap in our national energy profile.
Imagine we could make all the diesel, jet fuel and petrol we needed

and we were not doing it because we were afraid of 0.0001% more beach-weather a century from now?

China is already converting 400 million tons of coal each year and we’re afraid to copy that because some teenage girls will cry?

We ignore brown coal only because our ruling class wants to believe the faulty climate models, having never done any due diligence on them. Stupid, stupid, stupid.



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Reply #2 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 5:40pm
 
https://wentworthreport.com/2026/04/01/australias-fuel-supply-in-the-long-term/

Liquid hydrocarbons are irreplaceable in terms of energy density and convenience of handling.
We have lots of coal. So, coal-to-liquids is the obvious future:


There are two choices in coal liquefaction processes: Bergius and Fischer-Tropsch, both invented in Germany in the 1910s.

In the Bergius process, hydrogen is forced into coal molecules at a temperature of 450˚C and a pressure of 170 kg/cm2 (165 atmospheres or 2,420 psi).

The Fischer-Tropsch process burns coal in pure oxygen to produce a synthesis gas that is catalysed to long chain hydrocarbons in an oil bath. Bergius is the better process. In WW2, German synthetic fuel production was dominantly via the Bergius process:


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Cost per liter of a Bergius plant? About A$1.21 per liter (~US$135 per barrel).

The wholesale price is affordable. What about the capital cost per consumer? The drive-away price of a Toyota Corolla Hybrid is $37,000. Its fuel consumption rate is 25 kilometres per litre. If the vehicle does the normal 20,000 km per year, that is 800 litres to get there. The capital cost of a litre of annual production is $2.63. If we multiply that by the 800 litres of fuel consumption per annum, the Corolla’s share of the cost of the Bergius plant to supply it is $2,100. This is 5.7% of the drive-away price, less than the cost of a refrigerator or some TVs, and a fraction of the $8,000 you can pay for extra trim for the Corolla. Car buyers should be given the option of buying a perpetual fuel supply for their vehicles.

It is the same story with wheat-growing. Medium-rainfall country in the WA wheatbelt is currently selling for $7,500 per hectare. Each hectare is expected to produce 2.5 tonnes of wheat per hectare, using 15 litres of diesel per tonne in no-till cropping, equating to 38 litres per hectare.

At the moment, that diesel supply is on a hand-to-mouth basis. The farmer might get his crop in, but will there be diesel for sale come harvest? To reduce risk he could buy in the diesel for harvest at the time of planting and keep it in tanks on the farm. Better yet, he could guarantee supply in perpetuity by paying $2.63 per annual litre of production from a Bergius plant for an outlay of $100 per hectare, increasing his capital outlay by 1.3%. The cost of disruption is far, far greater than the outlay for fuel supply to the farm. The same is true for mining, trucking and all the other activities of productive people. And it applies to aircraft:
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Reply #3 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 5:46pm
 
Greed is killing Goldilocks. The faster we shift our climate outside of it, the sooner humanity dies out.

Dead species walking.

https://www.techexplorist.com/algae-oyster-shells-cheap-biodiesel/102454/
Scientists turn algae and oyster shells into cheap biodiesel

Algae and oyster shells used to make cheap biodiesel.
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Reply #4 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 5:48pm
 
Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Apr 2nd, 2026 at 5:46pm:
Greed is killing Goldilocks.
The faster we shift our climate outside of it, the sooner humanity dies out.

Dead species walking.



The war in Iran has shown us how dependent we are on fossil fuels.

Australia will collapse into the stone age without it.
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Reply #5 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 5:53pm
 
Rubbish. We have sea water, sunshine, and land.

Biofuel from algae is the way  ... then we don't have to kill ourselves.

I for one didn't sign this human suicide pact. Did you?
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Reply #6 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 5:56pm
 
Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Apr 2nd, 2026 at 5:53pm:
Rubbish. We have sea water, sunshine, and land.

Biofuel from algae is the way  ... then we don't have to kill ourselves.

I for one didn't sign this human suicide pact. Did you?



Please provide links and quotes to back up your dreams.
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Reply #7 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 5:57pm
 
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Algae biofuel, also known as algal oil, is an alternative liquid fossil fuel derived from the lipid-rich oils of algae, serving as a potential replacement for petroleum-based diesel and jet fuel.  Unlike first-generation biofuels from corn or sugarcane, algae can produce 10 to 100 times more oil per acre than traditional crops, with some species yielding up to 60% of their dry weight as oil.

The production process typically involves cultivating microalgae in open ponds or enclosed photobioreactors, where they fix CO₂ and grow rapidly, followed by harvesting and extracting the oil for conversion into biodiesel, renewable diesel ("green diesel"), or jet fuel. While the technology has demonstrated feasibility since the 1970s, commercialisation remains hindered by high production costs, as recent estimates from March 2023 suggest billions in funding and decades of research are needed to overcome biological and economic limitations.

Key characteristics and current status include:

Yield Efficiency: Algae can produce 58,700 to 136,900 litres of oil per hectare per year, significantly outperforming oil palm (5,950 L/ha/year).

Conversion Methods: Algal oil is converted via transesterification to produce biodiesel or hydrotreating to create drop-in renewable diesel that requires no engine modifications.

Environmental Benefits: The process can utilize CO₂ from industrial flue gases and wastewater nutrients, offering a path to carbon neutrality and bioremediation.

Recent Developments: In December 2022, ExxonMobil ended its algae biofuel research, marking a retreat by major oil companies, though companies like BRK Technology have recently announced breakthroughs in scalable, low-impact algae fuel.

Challenges: Fundamental biological limitations, such as the trade-off between rapid growth and high lipid production, coupled with energy-intensive harvesting and extraction, have prevented cost-competitiveness with petroleum
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Reply #8 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 6:01pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2026 at 5:56pm:
Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Apr 2nd, 2026 at 5:53pm:
Rubbish. We have sea water, sunshine, and land.

Biofuel from algae is the way  ... then we don't have to kill ourselves.

I for one didn't sign this human suicide pact. Did you?



Please provide links and quotes to back up your dreams.



You didn't answer. Did you sign a suicide pact ?
If not, why are you peddling a suicidal path.

Coal stays underground !
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Reply #9 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 6:03pm
 

Ai_Took_Our_Jobs -

you just used AI to save you the job of research.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 7:12pm
 
Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Apr 2nd, 2026 at 5:57pm:
While the technology has demonstrated feasibility since the 1970s, commercialisation remains hindered by high production costs, as recent estimates from March 2023 suggest billions in funding and decades of research are needed to overcome biological and economic limitations.


Costings are a part of feasibility. Wink

BTW - When burnt they still produce CO2. Wink
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Reply #11 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 8:11pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2026 at 6:03pm:
Ai_Took_Our_Jobs -

you just used AI to save you the job of research.   Roll Eyes



Bobby posted from a site who's mission is ...  to fight back against what it views as a "leftist" establishment controlling the media, academia, and bureaucracy by providing alternative perspectives on global and political events.

You sourced from propaganda. I sourced from facts.
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Reply #12 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 8:18pm
 
Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Apr 2nd, 2026 at 8:11pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 2nd, 2026 at 6:03pm:
Ai_Took_Our_Jobs -

you just used AI to save you the job of research.   Roll Eyes



Bobby posted from a site who's mission is ...  to fight back against what it views as a "leftist" establishment controlling the media, academia, and bureaucracy by providing alternative perspectives on global and political events.

You sourced from propaganda. I sourced from facts.



Yes - it's an anti-cultural Marxist site:


https://wentworthreport.com/about/


Sticking up for Reality over Political Correctness


by David Evans



Political correctness is the scourge of the post-modern western world.

Something is “politically correct” (PC) if the only reason to say it is to seek political favor, to avoid public disgrace and dishonor, or for self- advancement by virtue of going along to get along. Political correctness is intrinsically in conflict with reality. If something is true, it is merely “correct.”

Effectively, something is politically incorrect if it is a truth the left finds too painful to acknowledge.

Political correctness is a fantasy world of beliefs that help the new left get what it wants.

The Wentworth Report sticks up for reality over political correctness.

The media lies to us every single day. Not out of incompetence, but out of ideology and the financial rewards it brings their politically-correct allies. The media deliberately withhold facts from us. They systematically deceive us. They placate us and confuse us with spin. They represent their views as centrist and mainstream, even when though they are divorced from both reality and public opinion.
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Reply #13 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 8:26pm
 
Wikipedia and academic sources classify "Cultural Marxism" as a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory, noting its misuse of Marxist intellectual history to blame progressive social changes on a supposed elite plot.


Bobby, you are barking at imaginary shadows.
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Reply #14 - Apr 2nd, 2026 at 8:33pm
 
Ai_Took_Our_Jobs wrote on Apr 2nd, 2026 at 8:26pm:
Wikipedia and academic sources classify "Cultural Marxism" as a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory, noting its misuse of Marxist intellectual history to blame progressive social changes on a supposed elite plot.


Bobby, you are barking at imaginary shadows.



139 pages of evidence here:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1660808671/2070#2070
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