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Spain bans us war planes from airspace
Apr 1^st, 2026 at 8:14am

So they should, us is an immoral criminal nation who are in a steep decline.
They bomb children.
stifle that behaviour as much as possible

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.......... “We don’t authorise either the use of military bases or the use of airspace for actions related to the war in Iran,” the minister, Margarita Robles, told reporters. “I think everyone knows Spain’s position. It’s very clear,” she added, calling the war “profoundly illegal and profoundly unjust”.

The closure will force military planes, including those based in the UK and elsewhere in Europe, to bypass Spain en route to targets in the Middle East except in emergencies. ..........

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/30/spain-closes-airspace-to-us-milita...

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 153230 Gender:	Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace Reply #1 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 8:37am Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 8:14am: So they should, us is an immoral criminal nation who are in a steep decline. They bomb children. stifle that behaviour as much as possible Absolutely. Well done, Spain.
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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5154 Gender:	Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace Reply #2 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 9:26am 1400% tariff on Spain then eh.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 153230 Gender:	Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace Reply #3 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 9:43am Leroy wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 9:26am: 1400% tariff on Spain then eh. Paid by Americans.
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Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace
Reply #4 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 9:57am

Trade Minister Don Farrell has cautioned that a Democratic win at the next US presidential election offers no assurance of an end to Donald Trump’s sprawling tariff regime, as Washington reaps billions in revenue from the border taxes.

Since Mr Trump enacted his so-called “Liberation Day” levies last year, the US Treasury has collected at least $US135bn in additional income from companies importing foreign goods – revenue the White House says will help reduce the ballooning federal deficit and fund handouts for households and tariff-hit farmers.

“My fear is that the Democrats might very well say: ‘Look, you know, we can’t give up this … trillions of dollars worth of extra (revenue)’,” he said.

Senator Farrell’s view was echoed by former DFAT chief economist Jenny Gordon, now an honorary professor at Australian National University, who said a Democratic administration would be just as “addicted” to tariffs as the Republican incumbent.

Remember, TDSkids, income tax is a very recent invention, compared to the age old tariff regime.

Today's news is brought to you by the words revenue and deficit and the number trillion.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 153230 Gender:	Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace Reply #5 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:01am Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 9:57am: Since Mr Trump enacted his so-called “Liberation Day” levies last year, the US Treasury has collected at least $US135bn in additional income from ... ... Americans.
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Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace
Reply #6 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:06am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:01am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 9:57am:

Since Mr Trump enacted his so-called “Liberation Day” levies last year, the US Treasury has collected at least $US135bn in additional income from ...

... Americans.

So why are all the countries exporting to the US so upset about tariffs??

Are they concerned about Americans, like sprinty is?

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Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace
Reply #7 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:09am

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:01am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 9:57am:

Since Mr Trump enacted his so-called “Liberation Day” levies last year, the US Treasury has collected at least $US135bn in additional income from ...

... Americans.

So why are all the countries exporting to the US so upset about tariffs??

Are they concerned about Americans, like sprinty is?

Who pays the tariff?

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Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace
Reply #8 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:16am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:09am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:01am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 9:57am:

Since Mr Trump enacted his so-called “Liberation Day” levies last year, the US Treasury has collected at least $US135bn in additional income from ...

... Americans.

So why are all the countries exporting to the US so upset about tariffs??

Are they concerned about Americans, like sprinty is?

Who pays the tariff?

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Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace
Reply #9 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:23am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:09am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:01am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 9:57am:

Since Mr Trump enacted his so-called “Liberation Day” levies last year, the US Treasury has collected at least $US135bn in additional income from ...

... Americans.

So why are all the countries exporting to the US so upset about tariffs??

Are they concerned about Americans, like sprinty is?

Who pays the tariff?

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/theamericans/images/4/45/The_Americans.jpeg

Herro??!!! Herro??!!

So why are all the countries exporting to the US so upset about tariffs?? Why are some imposing counter-tariffs??

Are they worried about the American consumers, like sprinty, who loves them to bits?

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Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace
Reply #10 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:27am

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:23am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:16am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:09am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:06am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:01am:

Frank wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 9:57am:

Since Mr Trump enacted his so-called “Liberation Day” levies last year, the US Treasury has collected at least $US135bn in additional income from ...

... Americans.

So why are all the countries exporting to the US so upset about tariffs??

Are they concerned about Americans, like sprinty is?

Who pays the tariff?

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/theamericans/images/4/45/The_Americans.jpeg

Herro??!!! Herro??!!

So why are all the countries exporting to the US so upset about tariffs?? Why are some imposing counter-tariffs??

Are they worried about the American consumers, like sprinty, who loves them to bits?

Who pays the tariff?

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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 8134 Gender:	Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace Reply #11 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:33am Who can't sell goods when tariffs high?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 153230 Gender:	Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace Reply #12 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:36am tallowood wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:33am: Who can't sell goods when tariffs high? Who pays the tariff?
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 8134 Gender:	Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace Reply #13 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:43am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:36am: Who pays the tariff? Who can't sell goods when tariffs high?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 153230 Gender:	Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace Reply #14 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:47am tallowood wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:43am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:36am: Who pays the tariff? Who can't sell goods when tariffs high? Who pays the tariff?
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tallowood Gold Member Offline Израиль Навсегда Posts: 8134 Gender:	Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace Reply #15 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:55am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:47am: tallowood wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:43am: greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:36am: Who pays the tariff? Who can't sell goods when tariffs high? Who pays the tariff? Who can't sell goods when tariffs high?
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Leroy Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5154 Gender:	Re: Spain bans us war planes from airspace Reply #16 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:58am greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:36am: tallowood wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:33am: Who can't sell goods when tariffs high? Who pays the tariff? The very same people that incease the deficit.
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Reply #17 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 11:11am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:47am:

tallowood wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:43am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 10:36am:

Who pays the tariff?

Who can't sell goods when tariffs high?

Who pays the tariff?

Tariffs affect the sellers AND the buyers.
Buyers pay more, if they do buy. But higher prices mean lower consumption of the imports so the seller has lower sales, lower revenue. The consumer buys the now more favourably priced local, American product (and still pays sales tax).
That is why there are counter-tariffs, to increase the price of American imports and thereby reduce their consumption in favour of local products.

Reducing import consumptions also reduces trade imbalances/deficits.

Thought experiment:
If the US imposed a 10,000 % tariff on Chinese goods, making them virtually unsellable in the US market - who would suffer more? the US consumer or Chinese industry?

Er... China.

Because nobody would pay a 10,000% tariff on crappy Chinese imports.

So only people who want to pay tariffs pay tariffs. Buy local - pay no tariff.

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Reply #18 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 11:25am

Germany (used to), France, Italy, Greece, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands - basically mainland Europe powers.

Compete colonially we Great Britain and it's colonial successes.
Despite them stealing America from the British in a sublime covert way of using American born people to become independent from Britain, but dependant on them.
They're now seeking to 'steal' Australia via Anus & Co in the Media, especially when Trump has diminished their cultural power and influence somewhat.

Their own Colonies have failed and yet they stole America (half of Canada) and are now trying to usurp British influence here.

France is failing, like Germany did.
We really shouldn't rely on the false and failing Westernism, just because it was around before Great Britain came to be. Not politically anyway and the Media of Music & Entertainment is NOT politics. It shows in USA.

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Reply #19 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 12:25pm

El Cid turfed 'em out - now the namby-pamby panty-waists let them all in under the guise of 'brotherhood of humans', and 'all cultures are equal'................. now they can't move without a train being bombed or similar..... and moves to remove their 4-5% Muslim population will create trouble that no Spaniard wants.

4-5% seems to be the turnover point when demands are imposed under threat.... remember the good old Muslim tax for keeping the peace.... you pay or you stall might be burnt ...

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Reply #22 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 2:59pm

Europe, Asia, Africa & Oceania: Lefties

N.America, S.America, Sahul-Australia and Middle-East: Right wing

More a case of "We don't need ya, like you needed us in WW2"

EU can't even get it's sh#t together in regards to Ukraine. They wanted Trump to do it all.

So basically 'who cares' what Europe think?! They're just virtue signalling to hide their lack of when it comes to Politics and Military.

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Reply #23 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 3:33pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 1^st, 2026 at 2:49pm:

Spain has said 'we will not be a party to murdering people'

So has Italy, UK, Germany, France and Iceland.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=1469342691225579&set=a.254530932706767

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/31/europe/trump-lashes-out-europe-iran-war-latam...

Good on 'em Smiley

No decent person would offer support to baby killers Trump & Netanyahu.

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Reply #24 - Apr 1^st, 2026 at 4:13pm

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......... “Trump has been astonishingly inconsistent in his criticism,” RUSI analyst Zwolski said. “He is going from ‘we don’t need the support of European allies’ to ‘why won’t they help us, they are ungrateful.’”

Zwolski also argued that Trump’s comments about the NATO alliance have been astonishing, as the US president indicates that his country will not be as willing to defend its allies in the future.

“The only country that has directly benefited from NATO military action is the United States, when NATO’s Article Five was invoked for the first time after the September 11 attacks,” Zwolski said. “And European leaders in this case are right to point out that NATO is a collective self-defense organization … It’s not an organization to be used as a toolbox for foreign interventions that were not even consulted.” ........

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/03/31/europe/trump-lashes-out-europe-iran-war-latam...

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Reply #25 - Apr 2^nd, 2026 at 1:20am

Spain’s Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez drew a line in the sand on Trump’s Iran war — and it’s the kind of moral spine we should be seeing from more leaders.
“We’re not going to be complicit in something that’s bad for the world, nor contrary to our values and interests simply to avoid reprisals from someone.”

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