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Reply #15 - Apr 1st, 2026 at 9:22am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 31st, 2026 at 11:35pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 31st, 2026 at 11:03pm:
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"They are in a position of particular vulnerability and greater labour market disadvantage," Ms Butler said.


And this is a good reason to further disadvantage them with lower pay rates ?

Is this the worst argument you ever heard ?


You don't have an argument. So keep shutting up moron. Roll Eyes


like when did you ever have an argument on any topic ? Your sweet spot is a never ending stream of senseless dribble.
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Reply #16 - Apr 1st, 2026 at 9:25am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 31st, 2026 at 11:34pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 31st, 2026 at 11:10pm:
18 year olds don't get a discount on rent or food prices ?

Should they? As 'kids' aka Teenagers. They are probably still at oldies home and shouldn't be paying to provide for a family at that age.


Many 18 year old adults move out of home or are forced out of home and have to pay full rent and food prices while having their income limited. Students have to leave home to attend Uni or other education facilities etc.
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Reply #17 - Apr 1st, 2026 at 9:27am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 31st, 2026 at 11:33pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 31st, 2026 at 11:08pm:
Jasin wrote on Mar 31st, 2026 at 6:00pm:
... how can you guarantee Teenagers on Adult wages will provide adult service and performance?


How can you gaurantee that 30 year olds on adult wages will provide adult service and performance?


If they don't. They get sacked. Simple.


Why do you believe that the same standard doesn't apply to teenagers?
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Reply #18 - Apr 1st, 2026 at 9:30am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 31st, 2026 at 11:32pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 31st, 2026 at 11:06pm:
18 to 20 year olds are legaly adults. They can serve the country and die but at a discounted pay rate ?

I don't see how they could have ever gotten away with this outragious treatment.

Where did I say 20 year Olds? 20 year Olds ARE adults as they are not teenagers.


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FWC scraps junior rates for 18-20 year olds   Smiley
2026-03-31


20 Year olds are paid at junior rates is the reason, 18 year olds are legally adults in Australia.

18 year olds can go to war, drink alcohol, marry, reproduce, vote, gamble, sign contracts and anything else except get paid properly for their labour.
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Reply #19 - Apr 1st, 2026 at 9:39am
 
It would have been better to tier wages according to experience in a job rather than age. If you are 20 and have been in the job for 3 years you are more experienced than a 30 year old just stating in the role.

Depending on the job, of course. Some roles require maturity, not necessarily experience. Not the same thing.
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Reply #20 - Apr 1st, 2026 at 9:46am
 
As noted above, 18 year olds are legally adults and should receive adult wages. Experience is what should determine wages rather than age, with a training wage for the first month or so until a person becomes proficient enough for a full wage, regardless of age.
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Reply #21 - Apr 1st, 2026 at 10:49am
 
Well that's where it all breaks down isn't it.
An 18-19 year old is still a 'teenager' like they were when they were 14.
Yet the law says they're Adult.
Yet the law says a 20 year old 'adult', who is no longer a teenager, gets paid JNR rates.

I mean, what a cockwobble mess! Roll Eyes
F#ckin draw the line!

So when you hear songs like "I was only 19!" by Redgum to lay on the emotional guit of sending KIDS to war...

C'mon fellas.Whats it gonna be?

Having worked in Psyche and researched into humanities, mythologies (like rituals of coming of age, etc).

I believe from what I've also seen. Both Boys and Girls, especially when we are living longer, maturing slower - are children from 0-19, with 20 being the first year of Adulthood. You could also balance this with the last 20 years being Old Age or Elderhood.

We have to set this in stone across the board and stop the confusion and cockwobbling 'its ok here, but not there' blurred lines.
Maybe 100 years from now, we live to 150. Then of course we change the one and only line.

"The thoughts of youth are long, long thoughts" - Longfellow. And so they should be. Of all the species on the planet, us Sapiens have the longest 'youthful' period and it has been to our advantage.
Cruel has the world been that forces children to grow up fast, like 12 year old brides and concubines.

I say. We should allow our youth to be young for as long as we can for a society that can't carry that burden as Adults, is a weak society indeed.

By having 'blurred lines', we leave the window open for kids to be kicked out of home to go earn their own way, etc.

You know our laws are wrong. You know the stress of kids 'trying' to act like adults with rituals of alcohol & drugs. Of being the highest bracket of accidents once off their L's, etc.

This payrise is exploitation and mentally wrong.
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Reply #22 - Apr 1st, 2026 at 10:58am
 
I can tell you. In Construction, the Adult guys who act, work and behave like 'kids' - get the friggin lights punched out.
...so do you really wanna see 18-19 year Olds, who do such as kids, get whacked because they get paid the rate that justifies that?

A few times, I've roused on guys for coming down too hard on 18-19 year Olds.
It's not our place as men. It's more effective and constructive when female staff kick em up the bum instead.

Man. I know if we were all in prison. I would have to protect such kids from your exploitations of 'prison law'.

...think about it. Think real hard.
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