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AUKUS was a “wasteful folly”
Mar 27th, 2026 at 3:08pm
 
Retired rear admiral Peter Briggs, who led the navy’s submarine squadron, told a national security conference organised by former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull that AUKUS was a “wasteful folly” that needed to be jettisoned as soon as possible.

“We’re facing the loss of a submarine capability,” Briggs said on Friday in Canberra.

“It is never too late to stop a plan that is not going to bloody well work, and it is not going to work...We are heading for a train smash.”

Briggs, who had a 40-year career in the navy, said the US navy would have “nowhere near the number of submarines they need” in the early 2030s to provide Australia with the three Virginia-class attack submarines envisaged under the AUKUS plan.

“There will be no surplus Virginias in 2031-2032 despite all the best efforts going on,” he said.

Briggs said that, because of notoriously slow production rates in American shipyards, the US would only have around 49 attack submarines available in 2032, far fewer than the 66 it says it requires for its own needs.

Donald Trump’s America First agenda has challenged the US-Australia alliance by imposing tariffs, demanding greater defence spending and probing the AUKUS submarine pact.
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“The president of the day has to certify that there will be no reduction in capability,” he said. “If you’re going to sell Australia three [of your] frontline submarines, I don’t see how it is possible for the US president of the day to make that certification.”

Briggs said Australia also had to confront the likelihood that SSN-AUKUS - a new class of submarine Australia plans to build with the United Kingdom - will fall behind schedule because of backlogs in the “hollowed out” British submarine service.

“We need some political courage,” Briggs said, urging the Albanese government to pursue an alternative to AUKUS.

He said Australia needs at least 10 nimble submarines, rather than the eight large vessels planned under AUKUS.

The SSN-AUKUS, currently under design, is intended to enter service with the UK in the late 2030s and Australia in the early 2040s.

Briggs has previously called for Australia to seek to acquire a fleet of Suffren-class nuclear-powered submarines from French builder Naval Group instead of sticking to the AUKUS plan.

Retired British rear admiral Philip Mathias told this masthead earlier this year that “there is a high probability that the UK element of AUKUS will fail”.

Mathias said: “It is clear that Australia has shown a great deal of naivety and did not conduct sufficient due diligence on the parlous state of the UK’s nuclear submarine program before signing up to AUKUS – and parting with billions of dollars, which it has already started to do.”

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/headed-for-a-train-smash-former-commande...
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Reply #1 - Mar 27th, 2026 at 3:11pm
 
This from a bloke who couldn't even submariner numbers up. Roll Eyes
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Reply #2 - Mar 27th, 2026 at 5:09pm
 
The idiots have overrun Ozpol in panic, delusion and women & children last
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #3 - Mar 27th, 2026 at 7:30pm
 
He was my old CO on Otway.  Every day, without fail, he would start officer of the watch drills when it was mealtimes.  I ended up with all 3 courses of a meal (coffee, desert and some creation the cook came up with that was mainly salt water boiled cabbage) in the lap of my overalls because he thought it was great to do angles and dangles, emergency recovery drills and the rest.  Strange man  great submariner, but strange
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Reply #4 - Mar 27th, 2026 at 7:55pm
 
Don't you just like Superiors who needs to make something from nothing, because they make nothing when something actually happens.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #5 - Mar 28th, 2026 at 7:58am
 
Where's the money coming from?.   Sad
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Reply #6 - Mar 28th, 2026 at 9:32am
 
whiteknight wrote on Mar 28th, 2026 at 7:58am:
Where's the money coming from?.   Sad


Mercantile Credits 💳
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Reply #7 - Mar 28th, 2026 at 9:34am
 
Revenue from the gas exports    /s
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Reply #8 - Mar 28th, 2026 at 11:24am
 
Another advocate for Steam submarines; there ain’t no such thing as a Nuclear Powered Submarine.
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Self defence is a right.
 
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Reply #9 - Mar 28th, 2026 at 11:27am
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 28th, 2026 at 11:24am:
Another advocate for Steam submarines; there ain’t no such thing as a Nuclear Powered Submarine.


If you believe that then there are no coal fired power stations either.
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Trump derangement syndrome
Fareed Zakaria defined the term as "hatred of President Trump so intense that it impairs people's judgment"

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Reply #10 - Mar 28th, 2026 at 11:30am
 
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 28th, 2026 at 11:24am:
Another advocate for Steam submarines; there ain’t no such thing as a Nuclear Powered Submarine.



Nuclear power heats the steam.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Yesterday at 12:41pm
 
The simple fact is that we cannot adequately patrol our vast coastline or project power in times of conflict with diesel electric submarines. We need nuclear powered submarines due to the sheer size of our sea territory. It might be different if we were Japan or a European country, but we are a massive island nation that is almost completely dependent on trade by sea. We should have acquired nuclear submarines when we first got the Collins class.
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Reply #12 - Yesterday at 12:55pm
 
With the majority of Sydney now Chinese.
The CCP can now do a Russia in Ukraine and move their forces into Sydney to liberate it's people for an independent city state with red flags.

Chances are, the rest of Australia couldn't muster up enough opposition against it. Sydney becomes New Shanghai('d).

Then the Africans can rise up like a BLM in Melbourne and call it Mogadishu 2.(too)
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #13 - Yesterday at 6:10pm
 
Biggest donger wrote on Mar 28th, 2026 at 11:27am:
Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Mar 28th, 2026 at 11:24am:
Another advocate for Steam submarines; there ain’t no such thing as a Nuclear Powered Submarine.


If you believe that then there are no coal fired power stations either.

There are coal fired power stations just as there are uranium’’fired’’ submarines, but both are steam powered, the so called ‘’Nuclear powered’’ submarines, or any other so called Nuclear Powered facility that requires rotary machinery is useless without steam power.
The reactor boils the water, there is nothing else that it can do, except possibly explode or just contaminate.

The infamous British ‘K’ Class submarines were known as steam powered, they were not called Oil Powered Submarines after their fuel.
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Self defence is a right.
 
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Reply #14 - Yesterday at 8:45pm
 
Absolutely insane. For 1 % of the cost we could have 100 un manned, small drone subs parked on the ocean floor all over the pacific with a warhead and we could activate them at will from a laptop in Sydney.
That's the future of subs.
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