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Reply #15 - Mar 24th, 2026 at 12:58pm
 
A Scientist will prove that the Earth is NOT the centre of the Universe.
And they will be right.

A Wise person will say the Earth IS the centre of OUR universe.
And they will be right too.

So it is, with the Flat Earth. That the Scientific mind refuses to see what is right in front of them.

I know from where I'm sitting right now. The earth looks flat to me. Wink

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Reply #16 - Mar 24th, 2026 at 2:37pm
 
You're confusing science with philosophy and then deliberately blurring the lines between the two.

It's a classic flat-earther tactic, so you're not the first person to do it.
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Reply #17 - Mar 24th, 2026 at 4:37pm
 
Nothing to do with 'philosophy'.
That's your mistake right there.

The Flat Earth is as much a Reality as the global sphere Reality.
Just like the Earth being the centre of OUR universe is also a true reality.

It is the flaw of the intellectual snob, that he/she believes there can be only ONE right answer.
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Reply #18 - Mar 24th, 2026 at 7:05pm
 
Au contraire, I never said there was only one right answer, I said you were conflating the two.

From a philosophical standpoint, the Earth can be considered the centre of our universe. However, from a scientific perspective, as we currently understand it, the universe has no centre.

Similarly, from a philosophical point of view, the Earth may appear flat to the average observer. From that limited frame of reference, one could argue that it is flat. Unless someone has experienced sufficient altitude to observe the curvature directly, that perception holds.

However, through mathematics, direct observation, and theory, we have conclusively demonstrated that, from a scientific standpoint, the Earth is not flat.

Both statements can exist in their respective contexts, but they are not equally valid in describing reality.
The issue arises when the two are conflated, when a statement about perception is presented as a statement about objective reality.

That’s where the argument collapses.

No amount of insults will change that.
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Reply #19 - Mar 24th, 2026 at 7:36pm
 
Your first two words.

You're a French Poof intellectual snob.

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Reply #20 - Mar 24th, 2026 at 8:19pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 24th, 2026 at 7:36pm:
Your first two words.

You're a French Poof intellectual snob.




A few French, Greek or Latin words always impresses the peasants.   Smiley
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Reply #21 - Mar 24th, 2026 at 10:25pm
 
Meh.  Roll Eyes

Relying on OLD French, Greek, Latin or other Euro centricities fails to impress me, especially when they claim to be 'Proud' Australian.  Grin

I would only say Germany has advanced in Europe, but they paid a price for it.
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Reply #22 - Mar 24th, 2026 at 10:33pm
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 24th, 2026 at 10:25pm:
Meh.  Roll Eyes

Relying on OLD French, Greek, Latin or other Euro centricities fails to impress me, especially when they claim to be 'Proud' Australian.  Grin

I would only say Germany has advanced in Europe, but they paid a price for it.



When I use French words people get annoyed so I don't.    Embarrassed
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Reply #23 - Mar 24th, 2026 at 11:16pm
 
PK used them to feel culturally superior... as a 'proud' australian Grin
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Reply #24 - Mar 25th, 2026 at 6:18am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 24th, 2026 at 11:16pm:
PK used them to feel culturally superior... as a 'proud' australian Grin



Il est un académique.
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Reply #25 - Mar 25th, 2026 at 9:57am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 24th, 2026 at 7:36pm:
Your first two words.

You're a French Poof intellectual snob.


If you're going to accuse me of being an intellectual snob, why not lean into it?

The point, which you've quite deliberately sidestepped in favour of cheap personal attacks, is straightforward: you are absolutely entitled to your perceptions, to your interpretations, to whatever grand narrative you construct from what you think you're observing. That's not in dispute.

Where you come unstuck is in pretending that your perception is synonymous with reality itself. It isn't. Reality exists independent of you, whether you grasp it or not, and conflating the two is a fundamental category error.

This is the dividing line between a scientific outlook and a purely philosophical indulgence. Science exists precisely because human perception is limited, biased, and often wrong, so it builds methods to test, falsify, and correct those perceptions against an external reality.

Take a simple example. From sea level, with the naked eye, the Earth can appear flat depending on visibility. Fine, grant that premise. From your limited observational standpoint, that may well be how it presents.

But does that make the Earth flat?

To you, perhaps. In reality, demonstrably not.

And this is exactly where your thinking consistently collapses, particularly in your politics. You elevate your selective observations to the status of fact, filter out anything that challenges them, and then point back to your own constructed view as "evidence" that you were right all along. It's not analysis, it's a closed feedback loop, a self-reinforcing system designed to protect your beliefs from scrutiny.

So it's hardly surprising you struggle with this distinction here as well.
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Reply #26 - Mar 25th, 2026 at 9:58am
 
how many nukes are needed to make flat earth fruitcake?
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Reply #27 - Mar 25th, 2026 at 12:11pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 25th, 2026 at 9:57am:
Jasin wrote on Mar 24th, 2026 at 7:36pm:
Your first two words.

You're a French Poof intellectual snob.


If you're going to accuse me of being an intellectual snob, why not lean into it?

The point, which you've quite deliberately sidestepped in favour of cheap personal attacks, is straightforward: you are absolutely entitled to your perceptions, to your interpretations, to whatever grand narrative you construct from what you think you're observing. That's not in dispute.

Where you come unstuck is in pretending that your perception is synonymous with reality itself. It isn't. Reality exists independent of you, whether you grasp it or not, and conflating the two is a fundamental category error.

This is the dividing line between a scientific outlook and a purely philosophical indulgence. Science exists precisely because human perception is limited, biased, and often wrong, so it builds methods to test, falsify, and correct those perceptions against an external reality.

Take a simple example. From sea level, with the naked eye, the Earth can appear flat depending on visibility. Fine, grant that premise. From your limited observational standpoint, that may well be how it presents.

But does that make the Earth flat?

To you, perhaps. In reality, demonstrably not.

And this is exactly where your thinking consistently collapses, particularly in your politics. You elevate your selective observations to the status of fact, filter out anything that challenges them, and then point back to your own constructed view as "evidence" that you were right all along. It's not analysis, it's a closed feedback loop, a self-reinforcing system designed to protect your beliefs from scrutiny.

So it's hardly surprising you struggle with this distinction here as well.


What I've demonstrated and what you've reaffirmed is that you don't use both sides of your brain and accept BOTH as being in absolute in their justified reality of truth.
In essence, you are a Half-Wit.  Grin
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Reply #28 - Mar 25th, 2026 at 12:17pm
 
Whatever safe space you need to craft for yourself.
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Reply #29 - Mar 25th, 2026 at 5:42pm
 
The earth looks FLAT from where I'm sitting and I also know that is round like a beachball all too. Well, it bulges at the equator - so not a perfect spheroid.

Kinda stuffs your Lefty argument and condemnation against Flat Earthers.

I win. You lose.
Bend the knee and apologise and I promise you'll be forgiven by Bobby.

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