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Re: Trump Tanked the Economy Before the War Even Start
Reply #30 - Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:25am

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 10:46am:

All this bluster from you, Jason, to avoid the obvious, that Donald Trump managed to rattle the US economy before the Iran situation even escalated.

Now layer on the consequences.

As tariffs on Chinese goods begin to bite, you've got energy markets being destabilised off the back of strikes and counter-strikes involving Iran and Israel. Refineries hit, oil fields hit, supply disrupted, and suddenly the global economy is staring down constrained fuel flows at the exact moment costs are already rising.

And what happens next? Other countries start hedging. They cut side deals, they look for alternative settlement mechanisms, and they begin chipping away at the dominance of the US dollar as the global reserve. That's not some abstract future risk, it's the predictable outcome when stability in the Strait of Hormuz gets turned into a bargaining chip.

So we're left with a perfect storm: trade friction, energy shocks, and strategic self-sabotage, all with Trump's signature on them.

And we're meant to believe this is deliberate? That the pain is the point? That economic contraction, supply disruption, and long-term damage to production capacity across the region is all just part of some grand design?

Or is this just the inevitable consequences of how incompitent Trump and his hand picked loyalists are?

These aren't short-term setbacks. Damage to oil infrastructure isn't fixed overnight, it's measured in years. You're talking 5 to 10 years to fully recover output in some cases, and that's assuming no further escalation.

That's assuming Trump surrenders right now, today.

All of this circles back to one decision, the tearing up of the nuclear agreement negotiated under Barack Obama. An agreement that, whatever its imperfections, was constraining Iran's nuclear pathway and keeping a lid on exactly this kind of escalation.

So here we are.

Economic strain at home, instability abroad and of course in the US, and Iran closer to the very capability that deal was designed to prevent.

Is this the "5D chess" we keep hearing about?

Because from the outside, it looks less like a strategy and more like setting fire to the board and insisting the smoke is part of the plan.

At best, we're hoping to get back to a point we would have been if Trump did nothing and just claimed credit for Obama's deal. Instead, we get the Trump Steaks version of Middle East diplomacy.

And you're still cheering him on like a blithering idiot.

It was either this or O'Bama 4.0

Global ruin with millions of people losing everything, or a competent US government that isn't MAGA?

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Re: Trump Tanked the Economy Before the War Even Start
Reply #31 - Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:37am

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:25am:

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 10:46am:

All this bluster from you, Jason, to avoid the obvious, that Donald Trump managed to rattle the US economy before the Iran situation even escalated.

Now layer on the consequences.

As tariffs on Chinese goods begin to bite, you've got energy markets being destabilised off the back of strikes and counter-strikes involving Iran and Israel. Refineries hit, oil fields hit, supply disrupted, and suddenly the global economy is staring down constrained fuel flows at the exact moment costs are already rising.

And what happens next? Other countries start hedging. They cut side deals, they look for alternative settlement mechanisms, and they begin chipping away at the dominance of the US dollar as the global reserve. That's not some abstract future risk, it's the predictable outcome when stability in the Strait of Hormuz gets turned into a bargaining chip.

So we're left with a perfect storm: trade friction, energy shocks, and strategic self-sabotage, all with Trump's signature on them.

And we're meant to believe this is deliberate? That the pain is the point? That economic contraction, supply disruption, and long-term damage to production capacity across the region is all just part of some grand design?

Or is this just the inevitable consequences of how incompitent Trump and his hand picked loyalists are?

These aren't short-term setbacks. Damage to oil infrastructure isn't fixed overnight, it's measured in years. You're talking 5 to 10 years to fully recover output in some cases, and that's assuming no further escalation.

That's assuming Trump surrenders right now, today.

All of this circles back to one decision, the tearing up of the nuclear agreement negotiated under Barack Obama. An agreement that, whatever its imperfections, was constraining Iran's nuclear pathway and keeping a lid on exactly this kind of escalation.

So here we are.

Economic strain at home, instability abroad and of course in the US, and Iran closer to the very capability that deal was designed to prevent.

Is this the "5D chess" we keep hearing about?

Because from the outside, it looks less like a strategy and more like setting fire to the board and insisting the smoke is part of the plan.

At best, we're hoping to get back to a point we would have been if Trump did nothing and just claimed credit for Obama's deal. Instead, we get the Trump Steaks version of Middle East diplomacy.

And you're still cheering him on like a blithering idiot.

It was either this or O'Bama 4.0

Global ruin with millions of people losing everything, or a competent US government that isn't MAGA?

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms"

You dwell in a Manichaean world.

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Re: Trump Tanked the Economy Before the War Even Start
Reply #32 - Mar 20^th, 2026 at 12:17pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19^th, 2026 at 5:12pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 19^th, 2026 at 5:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19^th, 2026 at 5:00pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 19^th, 2026 at 4:53pm:

... Trump always works on his enemies over-confidence and make them slip up.
...

Example?

Gee. Where do I start?

Just start by giving one example.

Rather optimistic request ?

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Re: Trump Tanked the Economy Before the War Even Start
Reply #33 - Mar 20^th, 2026 at 12:38pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 12:17pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19^th, 2026 at 5:12pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 19^th, 2026 at 5:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 19^th, 2026 at 5:00pm:

Jasin wrote on Mar 19^th, 2026 at 4:53pm:

... Trump always works on his enemies over-confidence and make them slip up.
...

Example?

Gee. Where do I start?

Just start by giving one example.

Rather optimistic request ?

Come and get me, I'm right here coward.

Maduro did sound confident.

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Re: Trump Tanked the Economy Before the War Even Start
Reply #34 - Mar 20^th, 2026 at 1:07pm

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:37am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:25am:

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 10:46am:

All this bluster from you, Jason, to avoid the obvious, that Donald Trump managed to rattle the US economy before the Iran situation even escalated.

Now layer on the consequences.

As tariffs on Chinese goods begin to bite, you've got energy markets being destabilised off the back of strikes and counter-strikes involving Iran and Israel. Refineries hit, oil fields hit, supply disrupted, and suddenly the global economy is staring down constrained fuel flows at the exact moment costs are already rising.

And what happens next? Other countries start hedging. They cut side deals, they look for alternative settlement mechanisms, and they begin chipping away at the dominance of the US dollar as the global reserve. That's not some abstract future risk, it's the predictable outcome when stability in the Strait of Hormuz gets turned into a bargaining chip.

So we're left with a perfect storm: trade friction, energy shocks, and strategic self-sabotage, all with Trump's signature on them.

And we're meant to believe this is deliberate? That the pain is the point? That economic contraction, supply disruption, and long-term damage to production capacity across the region is all just part of some grand design?

Or is this just the inevitable consequences of how incompitent Trump and his hand picked loyalists are?

These aren't short-term setbacks. Damage to oil infrastructure isn't fixed overnight, it's measured in years. You're talking 5 to 10 years to fully recover output in some cases, and that's assuming no further escalation.

That's assuming Trump surrenders right now, today.

All of this circles back to one decision, the tearing up of the nuclear agreement negotiated under Barack Obama. An agreement that, whatever its imperfections, was constraining Iran's nuclear pathway and keeping a lid on exactly this kind of escalation.

So here we are.

Economic strain at home, instability abroad and of course in the US, and Iran closer to the very capability that deal was designed to prevent.

Is this the "5D chess" we keep hearing about?

Because from the outside, it looks less like a strategy and more like setting fire to the board and insisting the smoke is part of the plan.

At best, we're hoping to get back to a point we would have been if Trump did nothing and just claimed credit for Obama's deal. Instead, we get the Trump Steaks version of Middle East diplomacy.

And you're still cheering him on like a blithering idiot.

It was either this or O'Bama 4.0

Global ruin with millions of people losing everything, or a competent US government that isn't MAGA?

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms"

You dwell in a Manichaean world.

He's got you there, Sad. As a devout Lutheran, the old boy struggles against the authorities, the powers and spiritual forces of evil. He's never cared much for the economy. His DL is waging a spiritual battle against the leftards and tinted races.

Then we've got JaSin, setting his sights on redemption for the American people and not illegal border jumping plebs and drug cartels - apart from those his DL's pardoned and released, of course.

And last but not least, we have our equine friend, who is waging his war against the capitalists over at America Inc. Aquascoot's an austerity man. His aim is to smash the economy and cause a great depression. Famine, plagues, drought, pestilence. Bring it on, he says. And loving it.

There's a few stragglers. Lee's no Trump man, but he'll go with the flow. Gordon's a little bit naughty - I can't read his posts because I don't have Tic Toc. Bobby's a bot - he has no opinions whatsoever. And Leroy just wants to turn the page.

They've all taken a huge hit at the pumps, their mortgage rates and super funds, but that's okay.

Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the despicables and desplorables, the powers of this tinted world and the spiritual forces of evil, no?

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Re: Trump Tanked the Economy Before the War Even Start
Reply #35 - Mar 20^th, 2026 at 1:09pm

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:37am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:25am:

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 10:46am:

All this bluster from you, Jason, to avoid the obvious, that Donald Trump managed to rattle the US economy before the Iran situation even escalated.

Now layer on the consequences.

As tariffs on Chinese goods begin to bite, you've got energy markets being destabilised off the back of strikes and counter-strikes involving Iran and Israel. Refineries hit, oil fields hit, supply disrupted, and suddenly the global economy is staring down constrained fuel flows at the exact moment costs are already rising.

And what happens next? Other countries start hedging. They cut side deals, they look for alternative settlement mechanisms, and they begin chipping away at the dominance of the US dollar as the global reserve. That's not some abstract future risk, it's the predictable outcome when stability in the Strait of Hormuz gets turned into a bargaining chip.

So we're left with a perfect storm: trade friction, energy shocks, and strategic self-sabotage, all with Trump's signature on them.

And we're meant to believe this is deliberate? That the pain is the point? That economic contraction, supply disruption, and long-term damage to production capacity across the region is all just part of some grand design?

Or is this just the inevitable consequences of how incompitent Trump and his hand picked loyalists are?

These aren't short-term setbacks. Damage to oil infrastructure isn't fixed overnight, it's measured in years. You're talking 5 to 10 years to fully recover output in some cases, and that's assuming no further escalation.

That's assuming Trump surrenders right now, today.

All of this circles back to one decision, the tearing up of the nuclear agreement negotiated under Barack Obama. An agreement that, whatever its imperfections, was constraining Iran's nuclear pathway and keeping a lid on exactly this kind of escalation.

So here we are.

Economic strain at home, instability abroad and of course in the US, and Iran closer to the very capability that deal was designed to prevent.

Is this the "5D chess" we keep hearing about?

Because from the outside, it looks less like a strategy and more like setting fire to the board and insisting the smoke is part of the plan.

At best, we're hoping to get back to a point we would have been if Trump did nothing and just claimed credit for Obama's deal. Instead, we get the Trump Steaks version of Middle East diplomacy.

And you're still cheering him on like a blithering idiot.

It was either this or O'Bama 4.0

Global ruin with millions of people losing everything, or a competent US government that isn't MAGA?

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms"

You dwell in a Manichaean world.

You live in a delusional fairy tale if you still think Trump is the victim here. He isn't some misunderstood hero, he's the incompetent architect of the looming US recession, the global fuel crisis, and the chain reaction that's about to turn food insecurity into a worldwide issue. His coming bodycount will make his COVID disaster look like a rounding error, and make no mistake, this is on him.

And you, yes you, helped make it happen with your blind, drooling loyalty to him. You cheered him on while he burned every system he touched, and now you get to watch the chaos he created rip the world apart. You're not just wrong, you're culpable, you're pathetic, and those like you will never get a free pass for it.

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Re: Trump Tanked the Economy Before the War Even Start
Reply #36 - Mar 20^th, 2026 at 1:13pm

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 1:09pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:37am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:25am:

Frank wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 11:17am:

ProudKangaroo wrote on Mar 20^th, 2026 at 10:46am:

All this bluster from you, Jason, to avoid the obvious, that Donald Trump managed to rattle the US economy before the Iran situation even escalated.

Now layer on the consequences.

As tariffs on Chinese goods begin to bite, you've got energy markets being destabilised off the back of strikes and counter-strikes involving Iran and Israel. Refineries hit, oil fields hit, supply disrupted, and suddenly the global economy is staring down constrained fuel flows at the exact moment costs are already rising.

And what happens next? Other countries start hedging. They cut side deals, they look for alternative settlement mechanisms, and they begin chipping away at the dominance of the US dollar as the global reserve. That's not some abstract future risk, it's the predictable outcome when stability in the Strait of Hormuz gets turned into a bargaining chip.

So we're left with a perfect storm: trade friction, energy shocks, and strategic self-sabotage, all with Trump's signature on them.

And we're meant to believe this is deliberate? That the pain is the point? That economic contraction, supply disruption, and long-term damage to production capacity across the region is all just part of some grand design?

Or is this just the inevitable consequences of how incompitent Trump and his hand picked loyalists are?

These aren't short-term setbacks. Damage to oil infrastructure isn't fixed overnight, it's measured in years. You're talking 5 to 10 years to fully recover output in some cases, and that's assuming no further escalation.

That's assuming Trump surrenders right now, today.

All of this circles back to one decision, the tearing up of the nuclear agreement negotiated under Barack Obama. An agreement that, whatever its imperfections, was constraining Iran's nuclear pathway and keeping a lid on exactly this kind of escalation.

So here we are.

Economic strain at home, instability abroad and of course in the US, and Iran closer to the very capability that deal was designed to prevent.

Is this the "5D chess" we keep hearing about?

Because from the outside, it looks less like a strategy and more like setting fire to the board and insisting the smoke is part of the plan.

At best, we're hoping to get back to a point we would have been if Trump did nothing and just claimed credit for Obama's deal. Instead, we get the Trump Steaks version of Middle East diplomacy.

And you're still cheering him on like a blithering idiot.

It was either this or O'Bama 4.0

Global ruin with millions of people losing everything, or a competent US government that isn't MAGA?

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms"

You dwell in a Manichaean world.

You live in a delusional fairy tale if you still think Trump is the victim here. He isn't some misunderstood hero, he's the incompetent architect of the looming US recession, the global fuel crisis, and the chain reaction that's about to turn food insecurity into a worldwide issue. His coming bodycount will make his COVID disaster look like a rounding error, and make no mistake, this is on him.

And you, yes you, helped make it happen with your blind, drooling loyalty to him. You cheered him on while he burned every system he touched, and now you get to watch the chaos he created rip the world apart. You're not just wrong, you're culpable, you're pathetic, and those like you will never get a free pass for it.

I'm sure Frank didn't mean anything by it, Sad. He was just having a laugh.

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