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Re: Orange douchebag deserted
Reply #15 - Mar 17th, 2026 at 1:00pm
 
LNP never again wrote on Mar 17th, 2026 at 9:03am:
🇮🇹 Italy: Rejected
🇪🇸 Spain: Rejected
🇯🇵 Japan: Rejected
🇫🇷 France: Hesitant
🇳🇴 Norway: Rejected
🇨🇦 Canada: Rejected
🇦🇺 Australia: Rejected
🇩🇪 Germany: Rejected
🇨🇳 China: No response
🇬🇧 UK: No commitment
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Honestly though, what did he expect.

He's spent months attacking those countries, either directly through tariffs, by threatening to invade or annex them, or by undermining alliances like NATO. That might play well in domestic political theatre with his cultists, but it's a bizarre way to build cooperation on the international stage.

Respect in international politics isn't something you demand, it's something you build over time through reliability and partnership. The US once had that in abundance. But Donald Trump has been busy torching it, treating diplomacy like one of his trademark deal-making stunts, the same approach that managed to bankrupt a long list of his own businesses.

And now, after spending years insulting allies and destabilising relationships, he suddenly wants their help as he steers the US toward economic trouble.

Yeah, that's not how that works.

Countries remember how they were treated, and they adjust accordingly. If you spend years signalling that alliances are disposable and partners are just targets for leverage, you shouldn't be surprised when those same partners decide they're no longer interested in bailing you out.

I think this is what's triggering his supporters so much. This situation is a direct consequence of decisions made by Donald Trump. He helped initiate the conflict, did so without clearly articulated strategic goals, and without anything resembling a credible exit strategy. On top of that, the obvious second-order consequences, attacks on supply routes, trade disruptions, and energy shocks, were entirely predictable if you escalate a regional war.

Now those consequences are landing squarely on the people who were promised strength and prosperity. Fuel prices spike, shipping routes become unstable, insurance and transport costs rise, and the effects ripple through the entire economy. The people most exposed to that are ordinary consumers, including many of his own supporters.

That's the inescapable part of this. If the argument for years has been that the president is responsible for fuel prices and economic pain at the pump, then the same standard applies here. The pain people are feeling now, and the knock-on effects across the economy, trace back to decisions made by the administration.

And the worrying part is the absence of a visible plan. There's no clearly defined strategic objective for the war, no articulated end state, and no credible exit strategy. Without those things, conflicts have a way of drifting and expanding while the economic damage compounds.

So people are left staring at the prospect of sustained disruption, potentially years of elevated energy and logistics costs before markets stabilise again. That's not the quick, decisive outcome that was sold to the public, it's prolonged uncertainty with very real economic consequences.

All Trump's doing.

If the Midterms are allowed to proceed, it will be a bloodbath.  The Dems will get their 2/3 majority and a long list of MAGA people will be impeached and proceduted, as they should be, starting with Trump.
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Re: Orange douchebag deserted
Reply #16 - Mar 17th, 2026 at 4:32pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 17th, 2026 at 1:00pm:
Honestly though, what did he expect.

He's spent months attacking those countries, either directly through tariffs, by threatening to invade or annex them, or by undermining alliances like NATO. That might play well in domestic political theatre with his cultists, but it's a bizarre way to build cooperation on the international stage.

Respect in international politics isn't something you demand, it's something you build over time through reliability and partnership. The US once had that in abundance. But Donald Trump has been busy torching it, treating diplomacy like one of his trademark deal-making stunts, the same approach that managed to bankrupt a long list of his own businesses.

And now, after spending years insulting allies and destabilising relationships, he suddenly wants their help as he steers the US toward economic trouble.

Yeah, that's not how that works.

Countries remember how they were treated, and they adjust accordingly. If you spend years signalling that alliances are disposable and partners are just targets for leverage, you shouldn't be surprised when those same partners decide they're no longer interested in bailing you out.

I think this is what's triggering his supporters so much. This situation is a direct consequence of decisions made by Donald Trump. He helped initiate the conflict, did so without clearly articulated strategic goals, and without anything resembling a credible exit strategy. On top of that, the obvious second-order consequences, attacks on supply routes, trade disruptions, and energy shocks, were entirely predictable if you escalate a regional war.

Now those consequences are landing squarely on the people who were promised strength and prosperity. Fuel prices spike, shipping routes become unstable, insurance and transport costs rise, and the effects ripple through the entire economy. The people most exposed to that are ordinary consumers, including many of his own supporters.

That's the inescapable part of this. If the argument for years has been that the president is responsible for fuel prices and economic pain at the pump, then the same standard applies here. The pain people are feeling now, and the knock-on effects across the economy, trace back to decisions made by the administration.

And the worrying part is the absence of a visible plan. There's no clearly defined strategic objective for the war, no articulated end state, and no credible exit strategy. Without those things, conflicts have a way of drifting and expanding while the economic damage compounds.

So people are left staring at the prospect of sustained disruption, potentially years of elevated energy and logistics costs before markets stabilise again. That's not the quick, decisive outcome that was sold to the public, it's prolonged uncertainty with very real economic consequences.

All Trump's doing.

If the Midterms are allowed to proceed, it will be a bloodbath.  The Dems will get their 2/3 majority and a long list of MAGA people will be impeached and proceduted, as they should be, starting with Trump.


Blather that even Al Jazeera and The Granuaid can says much, much more concisely. ANYONE can be much more concise than you, pearl-clutching blather-machine. girl. You'll make a wonderful mother-in-law to an unfortunate one day.




There have been 'international negotiatiios' with the mullahs for nearly half a century.
So they could sponsor terrorist in Yemen, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, England, Australia, US, etc.

The stated aim and plan is: destroy the Iranian Navy and Air force and air defences and military capability generally. Give a leg-up to the Persian people IF THEY ARE REALLY sick of theocracy. It's up to them.
Cut off the snake's head that supports all the terrorists around the region and the world. If that means you pay a bit more for petrol for a month, it's worth it. Small price for erasing global terrorism support, no?

The mullahs have been shouting death to America, death to Britain, death to Israel for far too long. Here comes a bloody nose for them.
A GOOD THING.


P.S.
It should havee been done when Jimmy Carter was prez but he fluffed it. Only rescue embassy hostages? Nuts to that.  He should have bombed them for 3 months there and then until they tapped out. A stitch in time save 200.






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Re: Orange douchebag deserted
Reply #17 - Mar 18th, 2026 at 11:30am
 
Frank wrote on Mar 17th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
Blather that even Al Jazeera and The Granuaid can says much, much more concisely. ANYONE can be much more concise than you, pearl-clutching blather-machine. girl. You'll make a wonderful mother-in-law to an unfortunate one day.




There have been 'international negotiatiios' with the mullahs for nearly half a century.
So they could sponsor terrorist in Yemen, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, England, Australia, US, etc.

The stated aim and plan is: destroy the Iranian Navy and Air force and air defences and military capability generally. Give a leg-up to the Persian people IF THEY ARE REALLY sick of theocracy. It's up to them.
Cut off the snake's head that supports all the terrorists around the region and the world. If that means you pay a bit more for petrol for a month, it's worth it. Small price for erasing global terrorism support, no?

The mullahs have been shouting death to America, death to Britain, death to Israel for far too long. Here comes a bloody nose for them.
A GOOD THING.


P.S.
It should havee been done when Jimmy Carter was prez but he fluffed it. Only rescue embassy hostages? Nuts to that.  He should have bombed them for 3 months there and then until they tapped out. A stitch in time save 200.








Opening with insults again?

Honestly, this is just embarrassing.

You've taken a complex geopolitical and economic crisis and reduced it to "bomb them harder", like that's a serious foreign policy doctrine rather than the intellectual ceiling of a bloke three beers deep at the pub.

You keep banging on about a "plan", but what you've described isn't a plan, it's an opening move with no follow through. "Destroy their military, cut off the snake's head", right, and then what? What's the end state? Who fills the vacuum? How do you stop regional escalation? How do you secure trade routes once you've lit the whole region up? There's nothing there. No strategy, no exit, no containment. Just noise.

And this is the part you're completely missing while you're busy cheering for explosions, Iran isn't just sitting there waiting to be hit, they're playing the board.

They're already in a position to control flow through the Strait of Hormuz, picking and choosing who gets passage, and now they're floating the idea of letting oil through on the condition it's traded in Chinese yuan instead of US dollars. That's not some side issue, that's a direct shot at the petrodollar system that underpins US economic power.

So while you're celebrating a "bloody nose", what's actually happening is:
- global shipping gets choked,
- energy prices spike,
- allies keep their distance,
- and a pathway opens up for major energy trade to start bypassing the US dollar altogether.

That's not strength, that's strategic self harm.

And the best part is you hand wave it away with "you might pay a bit more for petrol", like the consequences stop there. They don't. It flows through everything, transport, food, manufacturing, insurance, the whole economy. The people who cop it aren't sitting in war rooms, they're the same ordinary consumers you're treating as an afterthought.

As for the Carter fantasy, "just bomb them for three months", that's not insight, it's ahistorical nonsense. If brute force alone solved this kind of problem, the last few decades wouldn't be a graveyard of failed interventions that created more instability than they resolved.

So no, this isn't some bold, decisive masterstroke.

It's the same shallow, chest beating approach that ignores second and third order consequences, and then acts surprised when those consequences land.

You're not describing strategy.

You're just cheering while it backfires and attacking anyone who actually understands what is happening.

If you want to talk about history, the US and UK already ran this exact play once, overthrowing Iran's secular, democratically elected leadership in the 1950s after it dared to nationalise oil that companies like BP were profiting from.

So when you talk about "the mullahs" like they just appeared out of nowhere, you're conveniently skipping the part where Western interference helped wipe out the secular alternative and paved the road for the regime that followed.

This mess didn't start yesterday.

It's decades of short-sighted, resource-driven decisions coming home to roost, and you're still out here pretending more of the same is the solution.

You're an ideologically blinded dumb ass.
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Re: Orange douchebag deserted
Reply #18 - Mar 18th, 2026 at 12:25pm
 
Since the 1979 Islamic revolution, Iran's economy has experienced slower economic growth, high inflation, and recurring crises. The Iran–Iraq War (1980–1988), increased corruption, and international sanctions severely disrupted development.[33] In recent years, Iran's economy has faced stagnant growth, inflation rates among the highest in the world, currency devaluation, rising poverty, water and power shortages, and low rankings in corruption and business climate indices. The brief war with Israel in June 2025 further exacerbated economic pressures, causing billions in damage and loss of revenues.[34] Despite possessing large oil and gas reserves, Iran's economy remains burdened by structural challenges and policy mismanagement, resulting in limited growth and a decline in living standards in the post-revolution era.




If Iran cannot get out it's oil and gas it cannot maintain itself.


See also
https://www.state.gov/releases/office-of-the-spokesperson/2026/02/sanctions-to-c...





There have been 'international negotiatiios' with the mullahs for nearly half a century. 

Result?

They could sponsor terrorist in Yemen, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, England, Australia, US, etc.  The mullahs have been shouting death to America, death to Britain, death to Israel for far too long. Here comes a bloody nose for them.
A GOOD THING.


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Re: Orange douchebag deserted
Reply #19 - Mar 18th, 2026 at 12:26pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 18th, 2026 at 11:30am:
Frank wrote on Mar 17th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
Blather that even Al Jazeera and The Granuaid can says much, much more concisely. ANYONE can be much more concise than you, pearl-clutching blather-machine. girl. You'll make a wonderful mother-in-law to an unfortunate one day.




There have been 'international negotiatiios' with the mullahs for nearly half a century.
So they could sponsor terrorist in Yemen, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, England, Australia, US, etc.

The stated aim and plan is: destroy the Iranian Navy and Air force and air defences and military capability generally. Give a leg-up to the Persian people IF THEY ARE REALLY sick of theocracy. It's up to them.
Cut off the snake's head that supports all the terrorists around the region and the world. If that means you pay a bit more for petrol for a month, it's worth it. Small price for erasing global terrorism support, no?

The mullahs have been shouting death to America, death to Britain, death to Israel for far too long. Here comes a bloody nose for them.
A GOOD THING.


P.S.
It should havee been done when Jimmy Carter was prez but he fluffed it. Only rescue embassy hostages? Nuts to that.  He should have bombed them for 3 months there and then until they tapped out. A stitch in time save 200.








Opening with insults again?

Honestly, this is just embarrassing.

You've taken a complex geopolitical and economic crisis and reduced it to "bomb them harder", like that's a serious foreign policy doctrine rather than the intellectual ceiling of a bloke three beers deep at the pub.

You keep banging on about a "plan", but what you've described isn't a plan, it's an opening move with no follow through. "Destroy their military, cut off the snake's head", right, and then what? What's the end state? Who fills the vacuum? How do you stop regional escalation? How do you secure trade routes once you've lit the whole region up? There's nothing there. No strategy, no exit, no containment. Just noise.

And this is the part you're completely missing while you're busy cheering for explosions, Iran isn't just sitting there waiting to be hit, they're playing the board.

They're already in a position to control flow through the Strait of Hormuz, picking and choosing who gets passage, and now they're floating the idea of letting oil through on the condition it's traded in Chinese yuan instead of US dollars. That's not some side issue, that's a direct shot at the petrodollar system that underpins US economic power.

So while you're celebrating a "bloody nose", what's actually happening is:
- global shipping gets choked,
- energy prices spike,
- allies keep their distance,
- and a pathway opens up for major energy trade to start bypassing the US dollar altogether.

That's not strength, that's strategic self harm.

And the best part is you hand wave it away with "you might pay a bit more for petrol", like the consequences stop there. They don't. It flows through everything, transport, food, manufacturing, insurance, the whole economy. The people who cop it aren't sitting in war rooms, they're the same ordinary consumers you're treating as an afterthought.

As for the Carter fantasy, "just bomb them for three months", that's not insight, it's ahistorical nonsense. If brute force alone solved this kind of problem, the last few decades wouldn't be a graveyard of failed interventions that created more instability than they resolved.

So no, this isn't some bold, decisive masterstroke.

It's the same shallow, chest beating approach that ignores second and third order consequences, and then acts surprised when those consequences land.

You're not describing strategy.

You're just cheering while it backfires and attacking anyone who actually understands what is happening.

If you want to talk about history, the US and UK already ran this exact play once, overthrowing Iran's secular, democratically elected leadership in the 1950s after it dared to nationalise oil that companies like BP were profiting from.

So when you talk about "the mullahs" like they just appeared out of nowhere, you're conveniently skipping the part where Western interference helped wipe out the secular alternative and paved the road for the regime that followed.

This mess didn't start yesterday.

It's decades of short-sighted, resource-driven decisions coming home to roost, and you're still out here pretending more of the same is the solution.

You're an ideologically blinded dumb ass.


ZZZzzzzz.......



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Re: Orange douchebag deserted
Reply #20 - Mar 18th, 2026 at 12:43pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 18th, 2026 at 12:26pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Mar 18th, 2026 at 11:30am:
Frank wrote on Mar 17th, 2026 at 4:32pm:
Blather that even Al Jazeera and The Granuaid can says much, much more concisely. ANYONE can be much more concise than you, pearl-clutching blather-machine. girl. You'll make a wonderful mother-in-law to an unfortunate one day.




There have been 'international negotiatiios' with the mullahs for nearly half a century.
So they could sponsor terrorist in Yemen, Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, England, Australia, US, etc.

The stated aim and plan is: destroy the Iranian Navy and Air force and air defences and military capability generally. Give a leg-up to the Persian people IF THEY ARE REALLY sick of theocracy. It's up to them.
Cut off the snake's head that supports all the terrorists around the region and the world. If that means you pay a bit more for petrol for a month, it's worth it. Small price for erasing global terrorism support, no?

The mullahs have been shouting death to America, death to Britain, death to Israel for far too long. Here comes a bloody nose for them.
A GOOD THING.


P.S.
It should havee been done when Jimmy Carter was prez but he fluffed it. Only rescue embassy hostages? Nuts to that.  He should have bombed them for 3 months there and then until they tapped out. A stitch in time save 200.








Opening with insults again?

Honestly, this is just embarrassing.

You've taken a complex geopolitical and economic crisis and reduced it to "bomb them harder", like that's a serious foreign policy doctrine rather than the intellectual ceiling of a bloke three beers deep at the pub.

You keep banging on about a "plan", but what you've described isn't a plan, it's an opening move with no follow through. "Destroy their military, cut off the snake's head", right, and then what? What's the end state? Who fills the vacuum? How do you stop regional escalation? How do you secure trade routes once you've lit the whole region up? There's nothing there. No strategy, no exit, no containment. Just noise.

And this is the part you're completely missing while you're busy cheering for explosions, Iran isn't just sitting there waiting to be hit, they're playing the board.

They're already in a position to control flow through the Strait of Hormuz, picking and choosing who gets passage, and now they're floating the idea of letting oil through on the condition it's traded in Chinese yuan instead of US dollars. That's not some side issue, that's a direct shot at the petrodollar system that underpins US economic power.

So while you're celebrating a "bloody nose", what's actually happening is:
- global shipping gets choked,
- energy prices spike,
- allies keep their distance,
- and a pathway opens up for major energy trade to start bypassing the US dollar altogether.

That's not strength, that's strategic self harm.

And the best part is you hand wave it away with "you might pay a bit more for petrol", like the consequences stop there. They don't. It flows through everything, transport, food, manufacturing, insurance, the whole economy. The people who cop it aren't sitting in war rooms, they're the same ordinary consumers you're treating as an afterthought.

As for the Carter fantasy, "just bomb them for three months", that's not insight, it's ahistorical nonsense. If brute force alone solved this kind of problem, the last few decades wouldn't be a graveyard of failed interventions that created more instability than they resolved.

So no, this isn't some bold, decisive masterstroke.

It's the same shallow, chest beating approach that ignores second and third order consequences, and then acts surprised when those consequences land.

You're not describing strategy.

You're just cheering while it backfires and attacking anyone who actually understands what is happening.

If you want to talk about history, the US and UK already ran this exact play once, overthrowing Iran's secular, democratically elected leadership in the 1950s after it dared to nationalise oil that companies like BP were profiting from.

So when you talk about "the mullahs" like they just appeared out of nowhere, you're conveniently skipping the part where Western interference helped wipe out the secular alternative and paved the road for the regime that followed.

This mess didn't start yesterday.

It's decades of short-sighted, resource-driven decisions coming home to roost, and you're still out here pretending more of the same is the solution.

You're an ideologically blinded dumb ass.


ZZZzzzzz.......





White flag accepted, as usual.
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