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Re: 'from the river to the sea' arrests in Brisbane
Reply #30 - Mar 13th, 2026 at 6:28pm
 
.... and so it begins... the jihad ..... the holy war that will cleanse the known universe .... but only if the known universe goes along with the rantings of a desert-maddened lunatic inbred flea-brain drunk on fermented coconut juice and too many easy conqeusts of small tribal groups who looked at the oncoming camel riders and turned to one another and asked -

Abdul:-  "Is that Ach-med coming back from the oasis?  Got a few mates with him... just to be safe - don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes....."

Hasim:-  "Aaaargh - the dirty bastards - they've been smoking that weed and hitting that coconut juice and their eyes are red!"
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Reply #31 - Mar 14th, 2026 at 6:43am
 
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 13th, 2026 at 6:17pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2026 at 1:36pm:
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Decades of Israel denying Palestinians the opportunity to vote their representation, so to keep Hama in power.


That's Hamas. Israel is not stopping the Palestinians from electing their own leaders.


Palestinians aren't even allowed citizenship, you poor old thing.


There is nothing stopping Hamas issuing them with citizenship certificates. It does not require us to "recognise" them as a proper country.
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Re: 'from the river to the sea' arrests in Brisbane
Reply #32 - Mar 14th, 2026 at 8:49am
 
freediver wrote on Mar 14th, 2026 at 6:43am:
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 13th, 2026 at 6:17pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2026 at 1:36pm:
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Decades of Israel denying Palestinians the opportunity to vote their representation, so to keep Hama in power.


That's Hamas. Israel is not stopping the Palestinians from electing their own leaders.


Palestinians aren't even allowed citizenship, you poor old thing.


There is nothing stopping Hamas issuing them with citizenship certificates. It does not require us to "recognise" them as a proper country.


Oh, I see. You want Hamas to start issuing passports too, do you?

But I'm curious. Why won't Israel issue citizenship to their own citizens?

That's a question.
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Reply #33 - Mar 15th, 2026 at 7:28am
 
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 14th, 2026 at 8:49am:
freediver wrote on Mar 14th, 2026 at 6:43am:
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 13th, 2026 at 6:17pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2026 at 1:36pm:
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Decades of Israel denying Palestinians the opportunity to vote their representation, so to keep Hama in power.


That's Hamas. Israel is not stopping the Palestinians from electing their own leaders.


Palestinians aren't even allowed citizenship, you poor old thing.


There is nothing stopping Hamas issuing them with citizenship certificates. It does not require us to "recognise" them as a proper country.


Oh, I see. You want Hamas to start issuing passports too, do you?

But I'm curious. Why won't Israel issue citizenship to their own citizens?

That's a question.


They do.
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Re: 'from the river to the sea' arrests in Brisbane
Reply #34 - Mar 15th, 2026 at 5:43pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 15th, 2026 at 7:28am:
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 14th, 2026 at 8:49am:
freediver wrote on Mar 14th, 2026 at 6:43am:
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 13th, 2026 at 6:17pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2026 at 1:36pm:
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Decades of Israel denying Palestinians the opportunity to vote their representation, so to keep Hama in power.


That's Hamas. Israel is not stopping the Palestinians from electing their own leaders.


Palestinians aren't even allowed citizenship, you poor old thing.


There is nothing stopping Hamas issuing them with citizenship certificates. It does not require us to "recognise" them as a proper country.


Oh, I see. You want Hamas to start issuing passports too, do you?

But I'm curious. Why won't Israel issue citizenship to their own citizens?

That's a question.


They do.


So why aren't Gazans, East Bank residents and at least eight million Arab Israeli refugees, many of them stateless, granted passports?

Please explain?
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Reply #35 - Mar 15th, 2026 at 5:45pm
 
Maybe because they all have Australian Centrelink cards?
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Reply #36 - Mar 16th, 2026 at 4:59pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 15th, 2026 at 7:28am:
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 14th, 2026 at 8:49am:
freediver wrote on Mar 14th, 2026 at 6:43am:
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 13th, 2026 at 6:17pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 13th, 2026 at 1:36pm:
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Decades of Israel denying Palestinians the opportunity to vote their representation, so to keep Hama in power.


That's Hamas. Israel is not stopping the Palestinians from electing their own leaders.


Palestinians aren't even allowed citizenship, you poor old thing.


There is nothing stopping Hamas issuing them with citizenship certificates. It does not require us to "recognise" them as a proper country.


Oh, I see. You want Hamas to start issuing passports too, do you?

But I'm curious. Why won't Israel issue citizenship to their own citizens?

That's a question.


They do.


They do not.

Israel is an Apartheid state.

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According to Imad Shanan, the Palestinian Authority’s interior ministry director of general civil affairs, 576 Palestinians in the occupied West Bank applied for (Israeli) ID numbers in 2015 – all of which were denied. Shanan could not verify how many of those were repeat applicants.


Jews in the West Bank are issued passports without question. The Law of Return grants those with Jewish ancestry the right to travel to Israel and apply for their passport immediately.

Arabs in the West Bank are forced to apply for Jordanian passports. If they do, they can be denied entry back into Israel upon return.

Arabs who have fled Israel, going back as far as 1948, have passport applications denied as a matter of course. The state of Israel was created in 1948, so there's that. Anyone who fled the occupied territories can go jump.

The Zionists started the policy of Apartheid well before 1948, starting out as land developers. Arab farmers sold up and moved into neighboring cities like Gaza, then under Egyptian control and Bethlehem, Hebron and Jericho, under Jordan. When Israel conquered the West Bank and Gaza in 1967, they refused passports to all non-Jewish inhabitants. They later created the policy of resettlement, illegal under international law, but comprising over 40% of Israeli territory today.

Around six million Palestinians in these areas are denied Israeli passports. The recorded population of Israel is just over ten million, so you get the idea. Passport holders are citizens. Allowing all citizens the right to vote would create a rather different political dynamic, wouldn't you say?

Given the draft, it would make the IDF a rather rich tapestry too, no? Halal chow, prayer time, fasting for Ramadan. You'd be training and arming them too - not too popular among the officers, one would hazard. It would make manning the checkpoints and detaining all those Palestinians rather complicated, to say the least.

Now, this is what many Palestinians mean by from the river to the sea - one state with equal laws for all, regardless of their race, culture or language. This is what the British meant to bestow on Palestine when they left it.

The Zionists got to work creating a national language, Constitution, parliament and laws. Arabs were squeezed out - on the streets through attacks and various battles, and in the parliament and courts with support for the attacks and battles. One of the first thing Zionists organized when they arrived from Europe was militias, which later became a formidable fighting force when united under Ben Gurian.

The Zionists received support through foreign aid and Jewish charitable organisations. This allowed them to buy Palestinian land, use modern farming methods and irrigation, and use the courts to squeeze Arabs off their land. This intensified after the Suez conflicts, pan-Arab opposition and the Six Day war. It got even more serious after the first Intifada. After that, the Zionists gave up trying to save face and went full-blown Apartheid.

About 1.2 million Arabs hold Israeli passports today, among a population of 10.5 million Israelis. In 1948, there wouldn't have been 1.2 million Jews in the whole of Palestine. The population has grown, but the ethnic composition has reversed completely.

Those Arabs with Israeli citizenship have equal rights to vote, work and travel. Unlike their Gazan and West Bank countrymen, they also have access to civilian courts - the latter are tried under military law by military tribunals.

That's 10.5 million Israelis and 6 million Palestinian Arabs with distinct rights and entitlements under Israeli law - deemed totally illegal under international human rights treaties, I can assure you.

So because I'm curious, I'll ask you again. Why won't Israel issue citizenship to their own citizens?

Answer truthfully this time, please.
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