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Reply #30 - Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm
 
Hay karmal,   sea levels can't rise in indonesia resulting in beachfront towns being relocated AND NOT RISE EVERYWHERE


We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

How did that work out  Grin Grin
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Reply #31 - Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:09pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 7:57pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 7:16pm:
lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 7:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:55pm:
what about the cost of concrete as used in the bases of wind turbines?



And replacement of them will be worse. As the turbines get bigger, the footings need to be bigger, so they can't be re-used.



It makes you wonder if wind turbines are a net loss in energy?   Undecided

Wind turbines are profitable for the makers.
Not the users.

Solar panels ditto.

EVs ditto.



Thanks Frank, Another good example of the gullibility of climate sceptics.
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Reply #32 - Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:10pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm:
We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

How did that work out  Grin Grin


I don't.
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Reply #33 - Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:12pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 11:36am:
Bobby. wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 5:44pm:
FD,
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It is not possible to store solar power generated during the day to use at night



Yes it is - just used pumped hydro storage -

the water is pumped uphill and released later to drive electric turbines.


What source of energy is used to power the pumps to pump it uphill?  Grin


Read what is says Gnads - you can pumped hydro to store solar power.
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Reply #34 - Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:13pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 9:07am:
The legless green energy transition
Rafe Champion

Think of wind, solar, and batteries as the three legs of a stool supporting the Net Zero transition program.

The Labour governments of Australia, state and federal, are desperately accelerating the progress of these facilities to achieve legislated targets, with an undisclosed amount of money devoted to the Federal Capacity Investment Scheme and $34bn in NSW allocated to a newly created Investment Delivery Authority.

Apparently, nothing has been learned from the failed energy transition in Germany which was dead in the water in 2018 when an official review revealed that the Energiewende was failing on the three sides of the energy policy triangle; affordability, security, and emission-reduction.

Still, the Germans persisted with major offshore wind developments despite the serious wind droughts or dunkelflautes regularly recorded on oil and gas platforms in the North Sea for 60 years. Britain also went for North Sea wind, now both of these once-proud industrial nations are rapidly losing their power-intensive industries to China and the US.

Around the Western world, the Net Zero obsession has consumed trillions of dollars and everywhere the results are the same. Power is more expensive and less secure while catastrophic harm is being inflicted on forests and farmlands, with a looming tsunami of toxic junk when the facilities wear out.

In view of the amount of damage caused by the failing transition, it is surprisingly easy to explain why the three-legged Net Zero ‘stool’ will not stand up. Maybe the Coalition will get around to it sometime…

The solar leg fails every night. Without coal, power in the night will have to come from wind, plus some hydro and biomass, and very expensive gas, and batteries.

The wind fails during severe wind droughts when there is very little wind over the whole of SE Australia for periods up to three days and nights.

You might say, ‘What about battery and pumped hydro storage?’ You have got to be joking!


Look at Snowy 2.0. Malcolm Turnbull’s signature program has blown out from $5 billion to 20 billion (or more) with no end in sight.

As for batteries, Bill Gates is a student of storage technology, and even he blows up when he hears the word batteries because they are several orders of magnitude too small for the assignment.




Pretty stupid analogy.
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Reply #35 - Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:15pm
 
Gnads wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 11:35am:
freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 5:29pm:
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Everything you claim is practically the exact opposite in truth.


It must be so frustrating for you to know this but not be able to produce the evidence.


You & evidence?  Grin


Do you realise I was quoting other people, as examples of the idiotic things that climate "sceptics" believe. Of course there is no evidence to back it up.
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Reply #36 - Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:02pm
 
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 8:12am:
lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:10pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:00pm:
You can make a battery as big as you want Bobby. There is no limit. And for daily cycles, it is cheaper than pumped hydro.


How big a battery? $125 -$334 per MWh. At what cost?

Not according to this -
                                                              Pumped   LFP
USD/kW based on PSH life of                 2,710    4,570
80 years and 6% discount
rate**)


https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/64f9d0036cb97160cc26feba/64f9d0036cb97160cc27...




This big a battery.

250/500 MWh.

How do you think Canberra's going to stay off the grid?



Ah Waratah, NSW. So the ACT must be connected to the grid.

And 500MWh? NSW and ACT use 1,447.9 PJ of power a year.That converts to 402,194 GWh daily on average or 1101 GWh daily. Or 1,101,000MWh. and that equals 0.27 of a minute or 1.6 seconds. Roll Eyes

I know large number confuse you.
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Reply #37 - Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:06pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:10pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm:
We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

How did that work out  Grin Grin


I don't.

 


6 metres.  Cheesy Cheesy.


Only out by a factor of -
1000.



2006 documentary An Inconvenient Truth.

Gore said that if major ice sheets such as Greenland or West Antarctica collapsed, global sea level could rise about 20 feet (≈6 meters). �
mediamatters.org +1
In the film he described a ~20-foot rise as a possible outcome from large-scale melting of those ice sheets and showed maps of what coastlines would look like. �
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Reply #38 - Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:09pm
 
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 10:18am:
The Amazon is seeing an average 2.7 million hectares of forest lost each and every year.



And how many square Km did they remove for the COP talkfest?

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 10:18am:
That's 12% of the world's source of oxygen removed in the past 20 years.



Ah now you think trees are the only things to make oxygen. Roll Eyes

You have to quantify all sources of oxygen and then work out the ratio. Wink

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 10:18am:
This is causing 177–266 Gt (gigatonnes) of polar ice melts in Greenland, with Antarctica losing 57–150 Gt annually.



I know large number confuse you. How about talking the amount of ice loss as a percentage, to get some clarity. And it is Cyclic. WE, both you and I and the scientific community know the ice volume from 100 years ago. Roll Eyes

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Reply #39 - Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:11pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:06pm:
What have I taken out of context in that example?


You have given only half a side of one equation and nothing of the other side. Roll Eyes
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freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:12pm:
you can pumped hydro to store solar power.



Provided you have the solar power at the time it is needed.  Timing is important in all things, motor vehicles etc. Wink
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Reply #41 - Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:13pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:02pm:
Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 8:12am:
lee wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:10pm:
freediver wrote on Mar 9th, 2026 at 6:00pm:
You can make a battery as big as you want Bobby. There is no limit. And for daily cycles, it is cheaper than pumped hydro.


How big a battery? $125 -$334 per MWh. At what cost?

Not according to this -
                                                              Pumped   LFP
USD/kW based on PSH life of                 2,710    4,570
80 years and 6% discount
rate**)


https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/64f9d0036cb97160cc26feba/64f9d0036cb97160cc27...




This big a battery.

250/500 MWh.

How do you think Canberra's going to stay off the grid?



Ah Waratah, NSW. So the ACT must be connected to the grid.

And 500MWh? NSW and ACT use 1,447.9 PJ of power a year.That converts to 402,194 GWh daily on average or 1101 GWh daily. Or 1,101,000MWh. and that equals 0.27 of a minute or 1.6 seconds. Roll Eyes

I know large number confuse you.


You've gone from claiming renewable electricity doesn't exist in Australia to saying we don't have enough.

Why must the left lie?
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Reply #42 - Mar 10th, 2026 at 2:14pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:15pm:
Of course there is no evidence to back it up.


Yep there is no evidence to back up what you believe. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm:
Hay karmal,   sea levels can't rise in indonesia resulting in beachfront towns being relocated AND NOT RISE EVERYWHERE


We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

How did that work out  Grin Grin


I'm not sure, dear. Can you post it for us?

Cheers.
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Reply #44 - Mar 10th, 2026 at 5:00pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:10pm:
aquascoot wrote on Mar 10th, 2026 at 1:08pm:
We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

How did that work out  Grin Grin


I don't.

https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.p...


NASA even added this map, so children on the Gulf Coast could imagine their homes under the waves:

...
Sea Level plus 20 Feet. Credit: NASA Climate Kids.

And yet, from January 1993 through January 2025, NASA’s satellites have captured a cumulative sea level increase of . . . four inches. The current rate of increase, according to NASA, is 0.17 inches per year.

That’s the thickness of three pennies stacked atop each other.
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