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Reply #165 - Yesterday at 5:49pm

lee wrote Yesterday at 2:32pm:

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 1:51pm:

Then would you like to explain your position on the existence of 72% renewable electricity in SA and 100% in the ACT?

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 2:04pm:

During the day, NSW is powered by the ACT's solar panels and burns less coal. At night, the ACT uses surplus coal-fueled power from NSW.

So now you are saying that the ACT is not 100% renewable. Thank you. That wasn't so hard was it? Roll Eyes

Most cunning, isn't he?

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Reply #166 - Yesterday at 5:54pm

aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 3:31pm:

lee wrote Yesterday at 2:32pm:

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 1:51pm:

Then would you like to explain your position on the existence of 72% renewable electricity in SA and 100% in the ACT?

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 2:04pm:

During the day, NSW is powered by the ACT's solar panels and burns less coal. At night, the ACT uses surplus coal-fueled power from NSW.

So now you are saying that the ACT is not 100% renewable. Thank you. That wasn't so hard was it? Roll Eyes

Indeed.

Additionally, the ACT or South Australia , no matter how much power they create from wind and solar , need big coal or gas plans at night AND still need to be connected to them during the day.

They rely on the inertia of the big fossil fuel turbines in other states to stabilize their grid.

Big turbines are needed as they can slow down or speed up to keep the voltage stable.
Take them out and the virtuous states would fry their grid

You will, of course, need to back your post up with a source.

We'll need to see evidence of the voltage, grid stability and coal power used, over and above the 72 to 83% of South Australian renewable energy already proven to you in this very thread.

Off you go, dear. Chop chop.

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Reply #167 - Yesterday at 6:04pm

freediver wrote Yesterday at 1:37pm:

lee wrote Yesterday at 1:33pm:

freediver wrote Yesterday at 1:18pm:

lee wrote Today at 10:14am:
freediver wrote Today at 7:10am:
We are about to get 3 hours of free electricity during the middle of the day because of the abundance of solar power. As thermal power stations close and we build more solar, this will become even more pronounced.

Not every day. It would not necessarily be there when required. Storms, clouds etc.

Btw - The other day you said something about renewables; infering I said/meant not being able to be manufactured by renewables. Can you tell us the amount of solar panels and wind turbine blades made by renewables? How about steel made by renewables, concrete? Cool

Every day.

So there is never a lack of sun, or there are solar panels and wind turbines being manufactured by renewables every day? You do know how to make a complete sentence, don't you? Roll Eyes

Read this very slowly Lee, so I do not have to repeat myself. We will be getting 3 hours of free electricity every day. From July 1.

Yes, but I think Lee's saying that's unfair, dear.

He can't stand the idea of getting free wind and sunshine, it's just not right.

Lee wants to see lots of pretty gas plants off the coast of Karatha, drill baby drilling and making the weather nice and warm for the plants.

Sorry - cold. Lee complained about America having frightfully cold weather in January - PROOF of the great climate scam.

Global warming's been called off, leftards. Lee said.

Quote him.

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Re: the gullibility of climate 'sceptics'
Reply #168 - Yesterday at 6:16pm

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 5:54pm:

We'll need to see evidence of the voltage, grid stability and coal power used, over and above the 72 to 83% of South Australian renewable energy already proven to you in this very thread.

You seem to have a very loose interpretation of "proven (proof)

"Tasmania (40 per cent) and South Australia (18 per cent) are proportionally the heaviest users of renewable energy, due respectively to hydro power in Tasmania and wind and solar power in South Australia."

https://www.energy.gov.au/sites/default/files/2025-08/australian_energy_update_2...

The government wouldn't lie to you, would they? Wink

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Reply #169 - Yesterday at 6:20pm

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 6:04pm:

Yes, but I think Lee's saying that's unfair, dear.

The problem is you don't think. even marginally.

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Reply #170 - Yesterday at 6:30pm

lee wrote Yesterday at 6:16pm:

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 5:54pm:

We'll need to see evidence of the voltage, grid stability and coal power used, over and above the 72 to 83% of South Australian renewable energy already proven to you in this very thread.

You seem to have a very loose interpretation of "proven (proof)

"Tasmania (40 per cent) and South Australia (18 per cent) are proportionally the heaviest users of renewable energy, due respectively to hydro power in Tasmania and wind and solar power in South Australia."

https://www.energy.gov.au/sites/default/files/2025-08/australian_energy_update_2...

The government wouldn't lie to you, would they? Wink

Hard to say, Lee. Would you?

Australian energy mix, by state and territory, 2023–24

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Re: the gullibility of climate 'sceptics'
Reply #172 - Yesterday at 6:59pm

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 5:54pm:

aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 3:31pm:

lee wrote Yesterday at 2:32pm:

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 1:51pm:

Then would you like to explain your position on the existence of 72% renewable electricity in SA and 100% in the ACT?

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 2:04pm:

During the day, NSW is powered by the ACT's solar panels and burns less coal. At night, the ACT uses surplus coal-fueled power from NSW.

So now you are saying that the ACT is not 100% renewable. Thank you. That wasn't so hard was it? Roll Eyes

Indeed.

Additionally, the ACT or South Australia , no matter how much power they create from wind and solar , need big coal or gas plans at night AND still need to be connected to them during the day.

They rely on the inertia of the big fossil fuel turbines in other states to stabilize their grid.

Big turbines are needed as they can slow down or speed up to keep the voltage stable.
Take them out and the virtuous states would fry their grid

You will, of course, need to back your post up with a source.

We'll need to see evidence of the voltage, grid stability and coal power used, over and above the 72 to 83% of South Australian renewable energy already proven to you in this very thread.

Off you go, dear. Chop chop.

Traditional power plants like coal, gas, nuclear, and hydro use huge spinning turbines connected to generators. These machines can weigh tens to hundreds of tons and spin at thousands of RPM.
Because they are so massive, they store rotational kinetic energy.
That stored energy provides inertia, which helps the grid by:
Resisting sudden frequency changes
Buying time (seconds) for control systems to react
Smoothing disturbances like sudden load changes or generator trips
If demand suddenly increases, the spinning turbines slow down slightly, releasing energy into the grid and preventing the frequency from crashing instantly.

Most modern renewables connect through power electronics (inverters):
Solar PV → inverter
Batteries → inverter
Many modern wind turbines → inverter
Inverters do not spin, so they do not naturally provide inertia.
That means grids with lots of inverter-based resources can experience:
Faster frequency drops
Less natural damping
Greater reliance on control systems
This is why system operators worry about “low inertia grids.”

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Re: the gullibility of climate 'sceptics'
Reply #173 - Yesterday at 8:19pm

lee wrote Yesterday at 6:33pm:

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 6:30pm:

Australian energy mix, by state and territory, 2023–24

yes dear. the latest figures from AEMO. Did you believe that the figures jumped from 18% to 73% in 12 months? Grin

I do. And in another year, South Australia is projected to reach 100%.

That, you see, is what a renewable energy rollout is. You start with fossil fuels, you make solar panels and windmills, stick them in the ground and Bob's your uncle. In a few year's time - you have electricity from the sun and the wind.

Now we know what you're up to, Lee. You're a little bit naughty - you're in the business of telling lies.

You don't make any money out of it, you just like fibs. Aquascoot told us all about it - it can't be helped, it's just what you do.

The rest of us have other ideas. South Australia, Tasmania, the ACT. We're on the way to renewable energy. We always tell the truth, as you know all too well. Even you trust our word. You?

You always fib, and you know that too. You know we're right, you're just having a laugh.

How does it feeeeel?

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Re: the gullibility of climate 'sceptics'
Reply #174 - Yesterday at 8:24pm

aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 6:59pm:

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 5:54pm:

aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 3:31pm:

lee wrote Yesterday at 2:32pm:

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 1:51pm:

Then would you like to explain your position on the existence of 72% renewable electricity in SA and 100% in the ACT?

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 2:04pm:

During the day, NSW is powered by the ACT's solar panels and burns less coal. At night, the ACT uses surplus coal-fueled power from NSW.

So now you are saying that the ACT is not 100% renewable. Thank you. That wasn't so hard was it? Roll Eyes

Indeed.

Additionally, the ACT or South Australia , no matter how much power they create from wind and solar , need big coal or gas plans at night AND still need to be connected to them during the day.

They rely on the inertia of the big fossil fuel turbines in other states to stabilize their grid.

Big turbines are needed as they can slow down or speed up to keep the voltage stable.
Take them out and the virtuous states would fry their grid

You will, of course, need to back your post up with a source.

We'll need to see evidence of the voltage, grid stability and coal power used, over and above the 72 to 83% of South Australian renewable energy already proven to you in this very thread.

Off you go, dear. Chop chop.

Traditional power plants like coal, gas, nuclear, and hydro use huge spinning turbines connected to generators. These machines can weigh tens to hundreds of tons and spin at thousands of RPM.
Because they are so massive, they store rotational kinetic energy.
That stored energy provides inertia, which helps the grid by:
Resisting sudden frequency changes
Buying time (seconds) for control systems to react
Smoothing disturbances like sudden load changes or generator trips
If demand suddenly increases, the spinning turbines slow down slightly, releasing energy into the grid and preventing the frequency from crashing instantly.

Most modern renewables connect through power electronics (inverters):
Solar PV → inverter
Batteries → inverter
Many modern wind turbines → inverter
Inverters do not spin, so they do not naturally provide inertia.
That means grids with lots of inverter-based resources can experience:
Faster frequency drops
Less natural damping
Greater reliance on control systems
This is why system operators worry about “low inertia grids.”

Thanks, Aquascoot. You may have misunderstood the question.

We asked you to back up your opinions with a source. Have you read one yet?

Can you post it for us?

Cheers, big ears.

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