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lee wrote Yesterday at 2:32pm:
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Then would you like to explain your position on the existence of 72% renewable electricity in SA and 100% in the ACT?



Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 2:04pm:
During the day, NSW is powered by the ACT's solar panels and burns less coal. At night, the ACT uses surplus coal-fueled power from NSW.



So now you are saying that the ACT is not 100% renewable. Thank you. That wasn't so hard was it? Roll Eyes


Most cunning, isn't he?
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Reply #166 - Yesterday at 5:54pm
 
aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 3:31pm:
lee wrote Yesterday at 2:32pm:
Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 1:51pm:
Then would you like to explain your position on the existence of 72% renewable electricity in SA and 100% in the ACT?



Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 2:04pm:
During the day, NSW is powered by the ACT's solar panels and burns less coal. At night, the ACT uses surplus coal-fueled power from NSW.



So now you are saying that the ACT is not 100% renewable. Thank you. That wasn't so hard was it? Roll Eyes



Indeed.

Additionally, the ACT or South Australia , no matter how much power they create from wind and solar , need big coal or gas plans at night AND  still need to be connected to them during the day.

They rely on the inertia of  the big fossil fuel turbines in other states to stabilize their grid.

Big turbines are needed as they can slow down or speed up to keep the voltage stable.
Take them out and the virtuous states would fry their grid


You will, of course, need to back your post up with a source.

We'll need to see evidence of the voltage, grid stability and coal power used, over and above the 72 to 83% of South Australian renewable energy already proven to you in this very thread.

Off you go, dear. Chop chop.
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Reply #167 - Yesterday at 6:04pm
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 1:37pm:
lee wrote Yesterday at 1:33pm:
freediver wrote Yesterday at 1:18pm:
lee wrote Today at 10:14am:
freediver wrote Today at 7:10am:
We are about to get 3 hours of free electricity during the middle of the day because of the abundance of solar power. As thermal power stations close and we build more solar, this will become even more pronounced.


Not every day. It would not necessarily be there when required. Storms, clouds etc.

Btw - The other day you said something about renewables; infering I said/meant not being able to be manufactured by renewables. Can you tell us the amount of solar panels and wind turbine blades made by renewables? How about steel made by renewables, concrete? Cool


Every day.


So there is never a lack of sun, or there are solar panels and wind turbines being manufactured by renewables every day? You do know how to make a complete sentence, don't you? Roll Eyes


Read this very slowly Lee, so I do not have to repeat myself. We will be getting 3 hours of free electricity every day. From July 1.


Yes, but I think Lee's saying that's unfair, dear.

He can't stand the idea of getting free wind and sunshine, it's just not right.

Lee wants to see lots of pretty gas plants off the coast of Karatha, drill baby drilling and making the weather nice and warm for the plants.

Sorry - cold. Lee complained about America having frightfully cold weather in January - PROOF of the great climate scam.

Global warming's been called off, leftards. Lee said.

Quote him.
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Reply #168 - Yesterday at 6:16pm
 
Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 5:54pm:
We'll need to see evidence of the voltage, grid stability and coal power used, over and above the 72 to 83% of South Australian renewable energy already proven to you in this very thread.



You seem to have a very loose interpretation of "proven (proof)

"Tasmania (40 per cent) and South Australia (18 per cent) are proportionally the heaviest users of renewable energy, due respectively to hydro power in Tasmania and wind and solar power in South Australia."


https://www.energy.gov.au/sites/default/files/2025-08/australian_energy_update_2...

The government wouldn't lie to you, would they? Wink
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Reply #169 - Yesterday at 6:20pm
 
Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 6:04pm:
Yes, but I think Lee's saying that's unfair, dear.



The problem is you don't think. even marginally.

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Reply #170 - Yesterday at 6:30pm
 
lee wrote Yesterday at 6:16pm:
Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 5:54pm:
We'll need to see evidence of the voltage, grid stability and coal power used, over and above the 72 to 83% of South Australian renewable energy already proven to you in this very thread.



You seem to have a very loose interpretation of "proven (proof)

"Tasmania (40 per cent) and South Australia (18 per cent) are proportionally the heaviest users of renewable energy, due respectively to hydro power in Tasmania and wind and solar power in South Australia."


https://www.energy.gov.au/sites/default/files/2025-08/australian_energy_update_2...

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Hard to say, Lee. Would you?

Australian energy mix, by state and territory, 2023–24
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Reply #171 - Yesterday at 6:33pm
 
Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 6:30pm:
Australian energy mix, by state and territory, 2023–24


yes dear. the latest figures from AEMO. Did you believe that the figures jumped from 18% to 73% in 12 months? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #172 - Yesterday at 6:59pm
 
Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 5:54pm:
aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 3:31pm:
lee wrote Yesterday at 2:32pm:
Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 1:51pm:
Then would you like to explain your position on the existence of 72% renewable electricity in SA and 100% in the ACT?



Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 2:04pm:
During the day, NSW is powered by the ACT's solar panels and burns less coal. At night, the ACT uses surplus coal-fueled power from NSW.



So now you are saying that the ACT is not 100% renewable. Thank you. That wasn't so hard was it? Roll Eyes



Indeed.

Additionally, the ACT or South Australia , no matter how much power they create from wind and solar , need big coal or gas plans at night AND  still need to be connected to them during the day.

They rely on the inertia of  the big fossil fuel turbines in other states to stabilize their grid.

Big turbines are needed as they can slow down or speed up to keep the voltage stable.
Take them out and the virtuous states would fry their grid


You will, of course, need to back your post up with a source.

We'll need to see evidence of the voltage, grid stability and coal power used, over and above the 72 to 83% of South Australian renewable energy already proven to you in this very thread.

Off you go, dear. Chop chop.




Traditional power plants like coal, gas, nuclear, and hydro use huge spinning turbines connected to generators. These machines can weigh tens to hundreds of tons and spin at thousands of RPM.
Because they are so massive, they store rotational kinetic energy.
That stored energy provides inertia, which helps the grid by:
Resisting sudden frequency changes
Buying time (seconds) for control systems to react
Smoothing disturbances like sudden load changes or generator trips
If demand suddenly increases, the spinning turbines slow down slightly, releasing energy into the grid and preventing the frequency from crashing instantly.

Most modern renewables connect through power electronics (inverters):
Solar PV → inverter
Batteries → inverter
Many modern wind turbines → inverter
Inverters do not spin, so they do not naturally provide inertia.
That means grids with lots of inverter-based resources can experience:
Faster frequency drops
Less natural damping
Greater reliance on control systems
This is why system operators worry about “low inertia grids.”

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Reply #173 - Yesterday at 8:19pm
 
lee wrote Yesterday at 6:33pm:
Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 6:30pm:
Australian energy mix, by state and territory, 2023–24


yes dear. the latest figures from AEMO. Did you believe that the figures jumped from 18% to 73% in 12 months? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


I do. And in another year, South Australia is projected to reach 100%.

That, you see, is what a renewable energy rollout is. You start with fossil fuels, you make solar panels and windmills, stick them in the ground and Bob's your uncle. In a few year's time - you have electricity from the sun and the wind.

Now we know what you're up to, Lee. You're a little bit naughty - you're in the business of telling lies.

You don't make any money out of it, you just like fibs. Aquascoot told us all about it - it can't be helped, it's just what you do.

The rest of us have other ideas. South Australia, Tasmania, the ACT. We're on the way to renewable energy. We always tell the truth, as you know all too well. Even you trust our word. You?

You always fib, and you know that too. You know we're right, you're just having a laugh.

How does it feeeeel?
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Reply #174 - Yesterday at 8:24pm
 
aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 6:59pm:
Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 5:54pm:
aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 3:31pm:
lee wrote Yesterday at 2:32pm:
Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 1:51pm:
Then would you like to explain your position on the existence of 72% renewable electricity in SA and 100% in the ACT?



Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 2:04pm:
During the day, NSW is powered by the ACT's solar panels and burns less coal. At night, the ACT uses surplus coal-fueled power from NSW.



So now you are saying that the ACT is not 100% renewable. Thank you. That wasn't so hard was it? Roll Eyes



Indeed.

Additionally, the ACT or South Australia , no matter how much power they create from wind and solar , need big coal or gas plans at night AND  still need to be connected to them during the day.

They rely on the inertia of  the big fossil fuel turbines in other states to stabilize their grid.

Big turbines are needed as they can slow down or speed up to keep the voltage stable.
Take them out and the virtuous states would fry their grid


You will, of course, need to back your post up with a source.

We'll need to see evidence of the voltage, grid stability and coal power used, over and above the 72 to 83% of South Australian renewable energy already proven to you in this very thread.

Off you go, dear. Chop chop.




Traditional power plants like coal, gas, nuclear, and hydro use huge spinning turbines connected to generators. These machines can weigh tens to hundreds of tons and spin at thousands of RPM.
Because they are so massive, they store rotational kinetic energy.
That stored energy provides inertia, which helps the grid by:
Resisting sudden frequency changes
Buying time (seconds) for control systems to react
Smoothing disturbances like sudden load changes or generator trips
If demand suddenly increases, the spinning turbines slow down slightly, releasing energy into the grid and preventing the frequency from crashing instantly.

Most modern renewables connect through power electronics (inverters):
Solar PV → inverter
Batteries → inverter
Many modern wind turbines → inverter
Inverters do not spin, so they do not naturally provide inertia.
That means grids with lots of inverter-based resources can experience:
Faster frequency drops
Less natural damping
Greater reliance on control systems
This is why system operators worry about “low inertia grids.”



Thanks, Aquascoot. You may have misunderstood the question.

We asked you to back up your opinions with a source. Have you read one yet?

Can you post it for us?

Cheers, big ears.
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When a US nuclear submarine torpedoed an Iranian warship last week, the three Australians on board the American boat were reportedly ordered to their bunks.

This astonishing news nugget was unearthed by The Nightly’s Andrew Greene and the government has not denied it. We do not know whether our sailors were instructed to pull the doona over their heads, but Acting Defence Minister Pat Conroy did confirm that “they played absolutely no role in the offensive operation”.

It is hard to conjure a more perfect metaphor for Australia’s mindset in the face of grim realities: when the world gets rough, Australia reaches for the security blanket. We prefer the comfort of bedtime stories about international law, global order and middle-power potency to hard truths about real political and material power.

One of the Albanese government’s favourite fables is that the world is undergoing a rapid energy transition to cut carbon emissions. In this tale the shift from fossil fuels is swift, painless and profitable as the globe is saved from Armageddon by multinational wheels whirring in electric harmony. Hydrocarbons vanish as wind, solar and batteries power nations, electric vehicles hum through the streets and green industries sprout like flowers on the graves of dark satanic mills. Australia emerges as a clean energy superpower.

This story is echoed by a revolutionary guard of energy-illiterate politicians, bureaucrats, activists and subsidy-harvesting businesses. They are now on a unity ticket claiming the war-induced shortage of oil and gas proves Australia’s energy security lies in ditching fossil fuels and hitching our fortunes to the whims of the weather.

To believe this you have to ignore a basic truth: fossil fuels built the modern world and still sustain it. Wealth is energy converted into work. The more energy a society commands, the richer it becomes. The price of oil and gas underpins the price of everything.

Australia is rich in hydrocarbons and could shield itself from global shocks by exploiting the wealth beneath our feet. Instead our rulers have chosen to restrict the fuels that power our economy.  The irony is stark: the loudest voices warning about energy scarcity are the ones working hardest to create it.



After 20 years of “transitioning”, what percentage of Australia’s total energy demand do you reckon comes from fossil fuels and how much from wind, solar, hydropower and the egregiously named biofuels?


We do not have to guess at the numbers because they are reported by the government in Australian Energy Statistics under energy consumption.

“Fossil fuels (coal, oil and gas) accounted for 91 per cent of Australia’s primary energy mix in 2023-24,” the government website says. “Oil accounted for the largest share of Australia’s primary energy mix in 2023-24 at 41 per cent, followed by coal and gas both at 25 per cent. Renewable energy sources accounted for 9 per cent.”


Chris Uhlmann




If you ain't sceptical you need your head read.



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Reply #176 - Today at 2:27pm
 
Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 8:19pm:
I do. And in another year, South Australia is projected to reach 100%.


So not only are you gullible, but you expect 100% from renewables?

For SA-
BTW - According to google Ai - which you seem to prefer, there has only been the Goyder Wind Farm of 412MW added since 2024.

Also Solar Farms have only increased by 39MWp (peak) since 2024.

There has clearly not been enough new capacity added to reach 73%.

SA consumption is 120GWh daily. If each farm contributed 100% for one hour it wouldn't reach 120GWh.
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Reply #177 - Today at 4:46pm
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:28am:
You are confused Frank. Why are you recommending we waste our time listening to and reading him if you think he is so terrible? Should we all go out and buy a gas guzzler because Bowen annoys you?


He is in charge of energy policy.  He is an idiot, totally captured by the renewable zealotry of the rent-seekers and activists.

Listening to him, reading him and all the boosters for rapid energy transition and net zero in 10 year makes you realise that this is a rhetorical, torally unserious, deluded political project driven by economic illiterates.  The boosters are sniffing the political wind and harvesting subsidies.

Meanwhile, the real world runs on anything but piss 'n wind, solar and pumped hydro.


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Reply #178 - Today at 4:57pm
 
Even the formulation 'climate sceptics' is an idiotic, mindless formulation, entirely rhetorical and proagandistic slofan of the Greta brigade. An equivalent to Bbwiyawnesque 'wacism' or 'islanophobia', caclulated entirely to NOT hear, not debate any dissenters ftom the Current Truth.






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Reply #179 - Today at 6:23pm
 
So the renewables are up to a whopping 9 % frank.

And that's courtesy of massive taxpayer subsidies.

Meanwhile the fossil fuels  generating 91 %. PAY taxes to support all the useful idiots  Roll Eyes
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