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Reply #150 - Today at 1:33pm

freediver wrote Today at 1:18pm:

lee wrote Today at 10:14am:
freediver wrote Today at 7:10am:
We are about to get 3 hours of free electricity during the middle of the day because of the abundance of solar power. As thermal power stations close and we build more solar, this will become even more pronounced.

Not every day. It would not necessarily be there when required. Storms, clouds etc.

Btw - The other day you said something about renewables; infering I said/meant not being able to be manufactured by renewables. Can you tell us the amount of solar panels and wind turbine blades made by renewables? How about steel made by renewables, concrete? Cool

Every day.

So there is never a lack of sun, or there are solar panels and wind turbines being manufactured by renewables every day? You do know how to make a complete sentence, don't you? Roll Eyes

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Reply #151 - Today at 1:37pm

freediver wrote Today at 1:18pm:

lee wrote Today at 10:14am:
freediver wrote Today at 7:10am:
We are about to get 3 hours of free electricity during the middle of the day because of the abundance of solar power. As thermal power stations close and we build more solar, this will become even more pronounced.

Not every day. It would not necessarily be there when required. Storms, clouds etc.

Btw - The other day you said something about renewables; infering I said/meant not being able to be manufactured by renewables. Can you tell us the amount of solar panels and wind turbine blades made by renewables? How about steel made by renewables, concrete? Cool

Every day.

So there is never a lack of sun, so that there is always excess to backup up Snowy2, or there are solar panels and wind turbines being manufactured by renewables every day? You do know how to make a complete sentence, don't you? Roll Eyes

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Reply #152 - Today at 1:37pm

lee wrote Today at 1:33pm:

freediver wrote Today at 1:18pm:

lee wrote Today at 10:14am:
freediver wrote Today at 7:10am:
We are about to get 3 hours of free electricity during the middle of the day because of the abundance of solar power. As thermal power stations close and we build more solar, this will become even more pronounced.

Not every day. It would not necessarily be there when required. Storms, clouds etc.

Btw - The other day you said something about renewables; infering I said/meant not being able to be manufactured by renewables. Can you tell us the amount of solar panels and wind turbine blades made by renewables? How about steel made by renewables, concrete? Cool

Every day.

So there is never a lack of sun, or there are solar panels and wind turbines being manufactured by renewables every day? You do know how to make a complete sentence, don't you? Roll Eyes

Read this very slowly Lee, so I do not have to repeat myself. We will be getting 3 hours of free electricity every day. From July 1.

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Reply #153 - Today at 1:40pm

Gnads wrote Today at 1:28pm:

freediver wrote Today at 1:20pm:

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You tell me how a dam full of water stores solar & wind generated electricity like a battery?

Exactly. If it's pumped Hydro it works exactly the same way as a battery. If it's just conventional hydro it is better than a battery, because it does not need to be charged.

Do you really not understand how it works?

I know you don't.

All it is is another dam of stored water - which gets dropped down the hill to generate power into the grid.

It uses off peak power mostly off the grid to pump water back up.

It is not battery of any description that a sane person would believe.

It stores nothing but water - absolutely zero electricity until the valves are opened & water runs down the hill to the turbines. Then it generates electricity for the grid.

You know that rechargeable AAA batteries don't store "electricity" either, right? Or did you not go to school?

They store chemical energy. Pumped hydro stores potential/mechanical energy.

In terms of grid operation, pumped hydro and lithium battery banks are exactly the same. They just have slightly different cost profiles. That's why google AI gives you results like this: Pumped hydro is considered a form of mechanical, long-duration "water battery". Perfectly sane.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20157 Gender:	Re: the gullibility of climate 'sceptics' Reply #154 - Today at 1:41pm freediver wrote Today at 1:37pm: We will be getting 3 hours of free electricity every day. From July 1. Ah, How much free electricity? Enough so that there is an excess or not?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52815 At my desk.	Re: the gullibility of climate 'sceptics' Reply #155 - Today at 1:42pm lee wrote Today at 1:41pm: freediver wrote Today at 1:37pm: We will be getting 3 hours of free electricity every day. From July 1. Ah, How much free electricity? Enough so that there is an excess or not? No idea what you are trying to ask Lee. Would you like to have another go?
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Reply #156 - Today at 1:51pm

lee wrote Today at 12:29pm:

Gnads wrote Today at 12:22pm:

That's not what he said at all - why must you lie?

Poor karny doesn't lie. He just continually makes wrong statements. Cool

I see. Then would you like to explain your position on the existence of 72% renewable electricity in SA and 100% in the ACT?

Second time round, dear. We'll show Gonads once and for all.

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Reply #157 - Today at 2:04pm

Gnads wrote Today at 12:51pm:

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 9:17am:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 9:01am:

Gullible= easily persuaded to believe something; credulous

Sceptical = not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations

You havent thought this through, fd.

Just so. You're skeptical that the ACT is powered by a solar farm, is that so?

The Mugga Lane Solar Park might just be a large plastic prop, I guess we'll never know.

The jury's still out on that one, no?

Mugga Lane would not power Canberra or Queenbeyan or Tuggeranong.

And you definitely are a tugger if you think 24.6 gigawatt hrs per year - only in daylight - is anything to crow about in renewable energy generation. Grin

Canberra is powered by three solar plants, Gonads, providing the city with 100% net renewable electricity.

Net renewable means it supplies and borrows from the NSW energy grid. During the day, NSW is powered by the ACT's solar panels and burns less coal. At night, the ACT uses surplus coal-fueled power from NSW.

In 2026/7, the ACT will be connected to the battery plants mentioned, when it will use solar power 365 days and nights of the year. Obviously, it will still be in a transitional phase until a full rollout is complete, targeted for 2030.

Happy?

Now, before you ask, dear, yes, the ACT still has petrol-fueled cars.

Cunning, no?

Let's watch as Aquascoot, Frannie and Lee turn that into a massive failure of epic proportions; evidence that Australia has botched its transition to renewable energy and we need to return to fossil fuels.

LIAR !!!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20157 Gender:	Re: the gullibility of climate 'sceptics' Reply #158 - Today at 2:28pm freediver wrote Today at 1:42pm: No idea what you are trying to ask Lee. So you don't understand the difference between power to the grid and having enough surplus power after that for the pumping. Got it.
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Reply #159 - Today at 2:32pm

Melanias purse wrote Today at 1:51pm:

Then would you like to explain your position on the existence of 72% renewable electricity in SA and 100% in the ACT?

Melanias purse wrote Today at 2:04pm:

During the day, NSW is powered by the ACT's solar panels and burns less coal. At night, the ACT uses surplus coal-fueled power from NSW.

So now you are saying that the ACT is not 100% renewable. Thank you. That wasn't so hard was it? Roll Eyes

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Reply #160 - Today at 2:38pm

lee wrote Today at 2:28pm:

freediver wrote Today at 1:42pm:

No idea what you are trying to ask Lee.

So you don't understand the difference between power to the grid and having enough surplus power after that for the pumping. Got it. Roll Eyes

There could be plenty of differences, depending on how one chooses to interpret your mindless dribble. It's a bit like reading tea leaves.

Would you like to have another go at asking a question? Or perhaps you actually want to say something, tried to translate it into a question, but forgot what you were doing halfway through. In which case, I suggest you just say whatever it is you are trying to say.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20157 Gender:	Re: the gullibility of climate 'sceptics' Reply #161 - Today at 2:40pm freediver wrote Today at 2:38pm: There could be plenty of differences, depending on how one chooses to interpret your mindless dribble. Ah could.
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Reply #162 - Today at 3:31pm

lee wrote Today at 2:32pm:

Melanias purse wrote Today at 1:51pm:

Then would you like to explain your position on the existence of 72% renewable electricity in SA and 100% in the ACT?

Melanias purse wrote Today at 2:04pm:

During the day, NSW is powered by the ACT's solar panels and burns less coal. At night, the ACT uses surplus coal-fueled power from NSW.

So now you are saying that the ACT is not 100% renewable. Thank you. That wasn't so hard was it? Roll Eyes

Indeed.

Additionally, the ACT or South Australia , no matter how much power they create from wind and solar , need big coal or gas plans at night AND still need to be connected to them during the day.

They rely on the inertia of the big fossil fuel turbines in other states to stabilize their grid.

Big turbines are needed as they can slow down or speed up to keep the voltage stable.
Take them out and the virtuous states would fry their grid

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Reply #163 - Today at 5:47pm

lee wrote Today at 1:33pm:

freediver wrote Today at 1:18pm:

lee wrote Today at 10:14am:
freediver wrote Today at 7:10am:
We are about to get 3 hours of free electricity during the middle of the day because of the abundance of solar power. As thermal power stations close and we build more solar, this will become even more pronounced.

Not every day. It would not necessarily be there when required. Storms, clouds etc.

Btw - The other day you said something about renewables; infering I said/meant not being able to be manufactured by renewables. Can you tell us the amount of solar panels and wind turbine blades made by renewables? How about steel made by renewables, concrete? Cool

Every day.

So there is never a lack of sun, or there are solar panels and wind turbines being manufactured by renewables every day? You do know how to make a complete sentence, don't you? Roll Eyes

Aha. You see?

We can't transition to renewables because solar panels and windmills are made with fossil fuels.

Tough titties, leftards, you lose.

Back to the coal mines for you.

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