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Reply #135 - Today at 12:14pm

freediver wrote Today at 9:10am:

We are about to get 3 hours of free electricity during the middle of the day because of the abundance of solar power. As thermal power stations close and we build more solar, this will become even more pronounced.

Not every day. It would not necessarily be there when required. Storms, clouds etc.

Btw - The other day you said something about renewables; infering I said/meant not being able to be manufactured by renewables. Can you tell us the amount of solar panels and wind turbine blades made by renewables? How about steel made by renewables, concrete? Cool

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Reply #136 - Today at 12:17pm

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:15pm:

Gnads wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 11:35am:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 5:29pm:

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Everything you claim is practically the exact opposite in truth.

It must be so frustrating for you to know this but not be able to produce the evidence.

You & evidence? Grin

Do you realise I was quoting other people, as examples of the idiotic things that climate "sceptics" believe. Of course there is no evidence to back it up.

That should read the idiotic things that climate alarmists believe. Roll Eyes

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Reply #137 - Today at 12:22pm

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 2:13pm:

lee wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 2:02pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 8:12am:

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 6:10pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 6:00pm:

You can make a battery as big as you want Bobby. There is no limit. And for daily cycles, it is cheaper than pumped hydro.

How big a battery? $125 -$334 per MWh. At what cost?

Not according to this -
Pumped LFP
USD/kW based on PSH life of 2,710 4,570
80 years and 6% discount
rate**)

https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/64f9d0036cb97160cc26feba/64f9d0036cb97160cc27...

This big a battery.

250/500 MWh.

How do you think Canberra's going to stay off the grid?

Ah Waratah, NSW. So the ACT must be connected to the grid.

And 500MWh? NSW and ACT use 1,447.9 PJ of power a year.That converts to 402,194 GWh daily on average or 1101 GWh daily. Or 1,101,000MWh. and that equals 0.27 of a minute or 1.6 seconds. Roll Eyes

I know large number confuse you.

You've gone from claiming renewable electricity doesn't exist in Australia to saying we don't have enough.

Why must the left lie?

That's not what he said at all - why must you lie?

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Reply #139 - Today at 12:29pm

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 5:03pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 5:00pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:10pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:08pm:

We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

How did that work out Grin

I don't.

https://is.muni.cz/el/1423/jaro2017/BSS177/um/Gore_Inconvient_Truth_Transcript.p...

NASA even added this map, so children on the Gulf Coast could imagine their homes under the waves:

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Sea Level plus 20 Feet. Credit: NASA Climate Kids.

And yet, from January 1993 through January 2025, NASA’s satellites have captured a cumulative sea level increase of . . . four inches. The current rate of increase, according to NASA, is 0.17 inches per year.

That’s the thickness of three pennies stacked atop each other.

Where did Al Gore reference that?

You a defender of that fraud Al Gore?

A fan of Man Bear Pig. Grin

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Reply #140 - Today at 12:34pm

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 7:34am:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 2:06pm:

Gore said that if major ice sheets such as Greenland or West Antarctica collapsed, global sea level could rise about 20 feet (≈6 meters).
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In the film he described a ~20-foot rise as a possible outcome from large-scale melting of those ice sheets and showed maps of what coastlines would look like.

Do you disagree with either of those statements?

And where is this map that "everyone remembers" showing Florida copletely under water? Do you actually believe that, or are you just being a gullible climate "sceptic"? Is it hidden in the transcript?

Do you even remember it yourself, or did you just believe whatever idiotic slogans appear on your facebook feed?

lee wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 2:11pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:06pm:

What have I taken out of context in that example?

You have given only half a side of one equation and nothing of the other side. Roll Eyes

You are falling back on dribbling incoherently Lee, like a climate sceptic. What did I take out of context, and did it misrepresent what was said in any way?

lee wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 2:13pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:12pm:

you can pumped hydro to store solar power.

Provided you have the solar power at the time it is needed. Timing is important in all things, motor vehicles etc. Wink

Yes Lee. Pumped Hydro is a type of battery. Welcome to the 21st century. Actually we had them early in the last century, to deal with the fact that coal fired power stations are not sufficiently dispatchable to match demand patterns.

Nothing of the sort.

That's just artistic license in making a ludicrous claim by a climate alarmist.

Like the left always coming up with the next trendy description and loose association to something it's not.

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Reply #141 - Today at 12:37pm

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 10:23am:

Is the green bit supposed to be under water in that map Scoot?

Can you point out the bit that says it is a prediction for 2014?

Or were you being just a little bit gullible?

Did you actually remember it yourself, or do you merely believe every idiotic claim that comes across your facebook feed?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:08pm:

We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

Are you really that stupid or just pretending?

You do that a lot lately. Roll Eyes

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Reply #142 - Today at 12:51pm

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 9:17am:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 9:01am:

Gullible= easily persuaded to believe something; credulous

Sceptical = not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations

You havent thought this through, fd.

Just so. You're skeptical that the ACT is powered by a solar farm, is that so?

The Mugga Lane Solar Park might just be a large plastic prop, I guess we'll never know.

The jury's still out on that one, no?

Mugga Lane would not power Canberra or Queenbeyan or Tuggeranong.

And you definitely are a tugger if you think 24.6 gigawatt hrs per year - only in daylight - is anything to crow about in renewable energy generation. Grin

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Reply #143 - Today at 1:04pm

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 10:14am:

aquascoot wrote Yesterday at 9:41am:

Melanias purse wrote Yesterday at 9:17am:

Frank wrote Yesterday at 9:01am:

Gullible= easily persuaded to believe something; credulous

Sceptical = not easily convinced; having doubts or reservations

You havent thought this through, fd.

Just so. You're skeptical that the ACT is powered by a solar farm, is that so?

The Mugga Lane Solar Park might just be a large plastic prop, I guess we'll never know.

The jury's still out on that one, no?

An accounting trick.

I see. How about the Royalla solar farm?

And how about the Big Canberra Battery Project?

Is that an accounting trick too?

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The 20 megawatt Royalla Solar Farm was developed by a Spanish company, is made up of 83,000 solar panels

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-03/royalla-solar-farm-opens-south-of-canberr...

Tell me Poofdahs Purse how does a 20 megawatt rated solar farm produce 37,000 megawatts per year? That's only 37 gigawatts per year.

Typo? .... a simple yes or no will suffice. Grin

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Reply #144 - Today at 1:18pm

lee wrote Today at 12:14pm:

freediver wrote Today at 9:10am:

We are about to get 3 hours of free electricity during the middle of the day because of the abundance of solar power. As thermal power stations close and we build more solar, this will become even more pronounced.

Not every day. It would not necessarily be there when required. Storms, clouds etc.

Btw - The other day you said something about renewables; infering I said/meant not being able to be manufactured by renewables. Can you tell us the amount of solar panels and wind turbine blades made by renewables? How about steel made by renewables, concrete? Cool

Every day.

Gnads wrote Today at 12:37pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2026 at 10:23am:

Is the green bit supposed to be under water in that map Scoot?

Can you point out the bit that says it is a prediction for 2014?

Or were you being just a little bit gullible?

Did you actually remember it yourself, or do you merely believe every idiotic claim that comes across your facebook feed?

aquascoot wrote on Mar 10^th, 2026 at 1:08pm:

We all remember al gores map of florida , completely under water by 2014.

Are you really that stupid or just pretending?

You do that a lot lately. Roll Eyes

I am trying to make sense of what Scoot said. I have been doing that a lot lately. Obviously Al Gore did not intend the Green bits are under water, but perhaps that is what Scoot is so confused about.

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Reply #145 - Today at 1:19pm

freediver wrote Today at 9:10am:

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Power from the national grid would be used off peak to pump the water up.

And that is not solar generated power.

Why not? We are about to get 3 hours of free electricity during the middle of the day because of the abundance of solar power. As thermal power stations close and we build more solar, this will become even more pronounced.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1763262448

Heavy industry uses energy during the day also.

You tell me how a dam full of water stores solar & wind generated electricity like a battery?

That's what Snowy Hydro claim.

It's just farcical.

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Snowy 2.0 is designed to "firm" or stabilize these regional renewable energy sources by storing excess power when the wind is blowing or the sun is shining, and releasing it when demand is high.

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Snowy 2.0 does not use conventional chemical batteries; it is a pumped hydro energy storage project that functions as a "giant water battery". It stores energy by pumping water between two reservoirs (Tantangara and Talbingo) through a 27-km tunnel, creating 350 GWh of storage to dispatch power when needed.

Absolute garbage - it's stored water - it doesn't store energy.

It also evaporates during the day especially in summer.

What happens in a snowy winter in the Snowy? Grin

The energy is only created when the water is released onto the turbines.

It's just fanciful playing with words.

You're really good at that as well. Roll Eyes

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Reply #146 - Today at 1:20pm

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You tell me how a dam full of water stores solar & wind generated electricity like a battery?

Exactly. If it's pumped Hydro it works exactly the same way as a battery. If it's just conventional hydro it is better than a battery, because it does not need to be charged.

Do you really not understand how it works?

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Reply #147 - Today at 1:22pm

Gnads wrote Today at 1:19pm:

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Snowy 2.0 does not use conventional chemical batteries; it is a pumped hydro energy storage project that functions as a "giant water battery". It stores energy by pumping water between two reservoirs (Tantangara and Talbingo) through a 27-km tunnel, creating 350 GWh of storage to dispatch power when needed.

Absolute garbage - it's stored water - it doesn't store energy.

The energy is only created when the water is released into the turbines.

You need to go back to school Gnads.

Did your facebook feed tell you that you cannot store energy this way?

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Reply #148 - Today at 1:28pm

freediver wrote Today at 1:20pm:

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You tell me how a dam full of water stores solar & wind generated electricity like a battery?

Exactly. If it's pumped Hydro it works exactly the same way as a battery. If it's just conventional hydro it is better than a battery, because it does not need to be charged.

Do you really not understand how it works?

I know you don't.

All it is is another dam of stored water - which gets dropped down the hill to generate power into the grid.

It uses off peak power mostly off the grid to pump water back up.

It is not battery of any description that a sane person would believe.

It stores nothing but water - absolutely zero electricity until the valves are opened & water runs down the hill to the turbines. Then it generates electricity for the grid.

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Reply #149 - Today at 1:31pm

freediver wrote Today at 1:22pm:

Gnads wrote Today at 1:19pm:

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Snowy 2.0 does not use conventional chemical batteries; it is a pumped hydro energy storage project that functions as a "giant water battery". It stores energy by pumping water between two reservoirs (Tantangara and Talbingo) through a 27-km tunnel, creating 350 GWh of storage to dispatch power when needed.

Absolute garbage - it's stored water - it doesn't store energy.

The energy is only created when the water is released into the turbines.

You need to go back to school Gnads.

Did your facebook feed tell you that you cannot store energy this way?

No commonsense tells you it's bullshyte.

Potential energy is just that - potential.

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potential
/pəˈtɛnʃl/
adjective
having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.

That doesn't happen until the valves are opened.

Until then it is just stored still water.

Is a suburban water tower(water is pumped up into it) a battery? Grin

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