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Question: How high fuel price have to become before Australians would make Australian oil stay in Australia?
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$3 per litre    
  3 (17.6%)
$4 per litre    
  3 (17.6%)
$5 per litre    
  2 (11.8%)
$6 per litre    
  0 (0.0%)
$7 per litre    
  1 (5.9%)
$8 per litre    
  0 (0.0%)
$9 per litre    
  4 (23.5%)
never    
  4 (23.5%)




Total votes: 17
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Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre
Reply #810 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 11:19am
 
Roos don't need petrol.

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Reply #811 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 11:43am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 11:12am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 11:07am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 8:56am:
Bill Shorten? - what would he have done?   Roll Eyes


It saddens me that you don't even know what you voted against...

Shorten went to the election with a clear fuel security policy, increasing onshore reserves to meet our obligations, mandating minimum stockholdings held here in Australia, and investing in domestic refining capacity so we weren't dangerously reliant on imports and fragile global supply chains.

Bobby, you didn't vote for that. You voted for Morrison's approach, which was effectively to let the market handle it, allow local refineries to close, and then try to paper over the growing vulnerability by "storing" fuel offshore, including that widely mocked deal to keep Australian reserves in the United States. That wasn't fuel security, it was outsourcing the problem and hoping nothing would go wrong.

And now something has gone wrong.

We're more exposed than ever to global disruptions, shipping constraints, and geopolitical instability. We have less domestic refining capacity than we did a decade ago, thinner buffers, and a system that runs on "just in time" logistics in a world that is increasingly anything but stable.

If Shorten's policy had been implemented, we'd be sitting on larger, mandated reserves inside Australia, with stronger domestic infrastructure to fall back on. That doesn't make us immune, but it gives us breathing room, options, and leverage.

Instead, what you voted for, even in your safe seat, left us reactive, exposed, and scrambling every time there's a shock to the system.

So when you ask "what would Shorten have done", the more honest question is, what did Morrison do, because that's the policy you chose, and this is the outcome.

This is why being an informed voter, not just obsessing over trans athletes is so important.

But we can't have nice things, so I guess just vote for PHON because of immigrants and we'll be just as buggered as the US is right now.





You've made a false assumption that I voted for ScoMo.

I have been voting for Independents for a long time.

Both major parties have very similar policies.


Do you blame me? 

You always attack anything from the left, from policy, people and supporters, while at the same time you shill for the right and even specific coalition politicians and policies.

You only seem to wheel out the "I vote independent" when what you've supported fails and it's time to accept accountability for what you've preached.  But no, like Scoot, you try to side step and make it out like you've always opposed xyz or supported something else.
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Reply #812 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 11:53am
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 11:12am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 11:07am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 8:56am:
Bill Shorten? - what would he have done?   Roll Eyes


It saddens me that you don't even know what you voted against...

Shorten went to the election with a clear fuel security policy, increasing onshore reserves to meet our obligations, mandating minimum stockholdings held here in Australia, and investing in domestic refining capacity so we weren't dangerously reliant on imports and fragile global supply chains.

Bobby, you didn't vote for that. You voted for Morrison's approach, which was effectively to let the market handle it, allow local refineries to close, and then try to paper over the growing vulnerability by "storing" fuel offshore, including that widely mocked deal to keep Australian reserves in the United States. That wasn't fuel security, it was outsourcing the problem and hoping nothing would go wrong.

And now something has gone wrong.

We're more exposed than ever to global disruptions, shipping constraints, and geopolitical instability. We have less domestic refining capacity than we did a decade ago, thinner buffers, and a system that runs on "just in time" logistics in a world that is increasingly anything but stable.

If Shorten's policy had been implemented, we'd be sitting on larger, mandated reserves inside Australia, with stronger domestic infrastructure to fall back on. That doesn't make us immune, but it gives us breathing room, options, and leverage.

Instead, what you voted for, even in your safe seat, left us reactive, exposed, and scrambling every time there's a shock to the system.

So when you ask "what would Shorten have done", the more honest question is, what did Morrison do, because that's the policy you chose, and this is the outcome.

This is why being an informed voter, not just obsessing over trans athletes is so important.

But we can't have nice things, so I guess just vote for PHON because of immigrants and we'll be just as buggered as the US is right now.





You've made a false assumption that I voted for ScoMo.

I have been voting for Independents for a long time.

Both major parties have very similar policies.


What about your preferences though?

Did you put the Libs before or after Labor?

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Reply #813 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 12:38pm
 
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Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre
Reply #814 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 12:50pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 11:43am:
Do you blame me? 

You always attack anything from the left, from policy, people and supporters, while at the same time you shill for the right and even specific coalition politicians and policies.

You only seem to wheel out the "I vote independent" when what you've supported fails and it's time to accept accountability for what you've preached.  But no, like Scoot, you try to side step and make it out like you've always opposed xyz or supported something else.



I'm not sure what the answer is.
We had Keatings policies which led us into recession.
He had no qualifications in accountancy or economics:

Quote:
Google AI:

Paul Keating, who served as Australian Treasurer (1983–1991) and Prime Minister (1991–1996), had no tertiary qualifications, including no qualifications in accountancy.

Key facts about his education and background include:

Left school at 15: Keating left De La Salle College in Bankstown in 1959, just before turning 15, and did not attend university.

Early work: He worked as a pay clerk for the Sydney County Council, an electricity distributor, upon leaving school.
Technical college: He attended evening classes at Belmore Technical College for two years but did not sit for his final exams.


Then we had Howard:

Quote:
Google AI:

John Howard did not have formal qualifications in accountancy. He was trained as a lawyer and worked as a solicitor before entering politics.

Key Details regarding John Howard's background:

Education: He completed a Bachelor of Laws degree from the University of Sydney in 1961.
Professional Background: He worked as a solicitor of the New South Wales Supreme Court for 12 years prior to his election to federal parliament in 1974.

Political Roles: Despite lacking a formal accounting background, he served as the Treasurer of Australia from 1977 to 1983.



We could form a whole list of people who didn't know what they were doing.

What happened?
We had our resources raped and pillaged by overseas companies -
we should have been energy independent and receiving proper taxes for our resources -
not being left like some poor African tin pot nation from the colonial era of the 19th century.

Trump has done the opposite of all of them -
he introduced tariffs  and tried to protect local industry
from the unfair price dumping and industry destroying countries like China.
Is Trump correct? - he's not an accountant or an economist either -
in fact he went bankrupt 6 times.
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Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre
Reply #815 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 12:58pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 12:50pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 11:43am:
Do you blame me? 

You always attack anything from the left, from policy, people and supporters, while at the same time you shill for the right and even specific coalition politicians and policies.

You only seem to wheel out the "I vote independent" when what you've supported fails and it's time to accept accountability for what you've preached.  But no, like Scoot, you try to side step and make it out like you've always opposed xyz or supported something else.



I'm not sure what the answer is.
We had Keatings policies which led us into recession.
He had no qualifications in accountancy or economics:

Quote:
Google AI:

Paul Keating, who served as Australian Treasurer (1983–1991) and Prime Minister (1991–1996), had no tertiary qualifications, including no qualifications in accountancy.

Key facts about his education and background include:

Left school at 15: Keating left De La Salle College in Bankstown in 1959, just before turning 15, and did not attend university.

Early work: He worked as a pay clerk for the Sydney County Council, an electricity distributor, upon leaving school.
Technical college: He attended evening classes at Belmore Technical College for two years but did not sit for his final exams.


Then we had Howard:

Quote:
Google AI:

John Howard did not have formal qualifications in accountancy. He was trained as a lawyer and worked as a solicitor before entering politics.

Key Details regarding John Howard's background:

Education: He completed a Bachelor of Laws degree from the University of Sydney in 1961.
Professional Background: He worked as a solicitor of the New South Wales Supreme Court for 12 years prior to his election to federal parliament in 1974.

Political Roles: Despite lacking a formal accounting background, he served as the Treasurer of Australia from 1977 to 1983.



We could form a whole list of people who didn't know what they were doing.

What happened?
We had our resources raped and pillaged by overseas companies -
we should have been energy independent and receiving proper taxes for our resources -
not being left like some poor African tin pot nation from the colonial era of the 19th century.

Trump has done the opposite of all of them -
he introduced tariffs  and tried to protect local industry
from the unfair price dumping and industry destroying countries like China.
Is Trump correct? - he's not an accountant or an economist either -
in fact he went bankrupt 6 times.


Iran tried to nationalize their oil industry for the benefit of their own citizens and in 1953 the CIA aided and abetted by the UK launched a coup and overthrew the democratically elected president and replaced him with a US stooge until 1979 when that crook was deposed and replaced with the first Ayatollah Wink

So I don't like our chances of ever benefiting from our own resources. It's forbidden Sad
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Reply #816 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:01pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 12:58pm:
Iran tried to nationalize their oil industry for the benefit of their own citizens and in 1953 the CIA aided and abetted by the UK launched a coup and overthrew the democratically elected president and replaced him with a US stooge until 1979 when that crook was deposed and replaced with the first Ayatollah Wink

So I don't like our chances of benefitting from our own resources. It's forbidden Sad



yes sir Nail,
we got shafted and our leaders went along for the ride.
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Reply #817 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:04pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:01pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 12:58pm:
Iran tried to nationalize their oil industry for the benefit of their own citizens and in 1953 the CIA aided and abetted by the UK launched a coup and overthrew the democratically elected president and replaced him with a US stooge until 1979 when that crook was deposed and replaced with the first Ayatollah Wink

So I don't like our chances of benefitting from our own resources. It's forbidden Sad



yes sir Nail,
we got shafted and our leaders went along for the ride.


they don't care as long as they get their taxes from it Sad
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Reply #818 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:12pm
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:04pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:01pm:
Sir lastnail wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 12:58pm:
Iran tried to nationalize their oil industry for the benefit of their own citizens and in 1953 the CIA aided and abetted by the UK launched a coup and overthrew the democratically elected president and replaced him with a US stooge until 1979 when that crook was deposed and replaced with the first Ayatollah Wink

So I don't like our chances of benefitting from our own resources. It's forbidden Sad



yes sir Nail,
we got shafted and our leaders went along for the ride.


they don't care as long as they get their taxes from it Sad



Can any good come from the fuel crisis?
Maybe we can start running Australia properly?

We shouldn't be in massive debt and relying on a long supply chain for fuel.
We own a whole rich continent - we should be the richest people per capita in the world.

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Reply #819 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:38pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 11:53am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 11:12am:
SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 11:07am:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 8:56am:
Bill Shorten? - what would he have done?   Roll Eyes


It saddens me that you don't even know what you voted against...

Shorten went to the election with a clear fuel security policy, increasing onshore reserves to meet our obligations, mandating minimum stockholdings held here in Australia, and investing in domestic refining capacity so we weren't dangerously reliant on imports and fragile global supply chains.

Bobby, you didn't vote for that. You voted for Morrison's approach, which was effectively to let the market handle it, allow local refineries to close, and then try to paper over the growing vulnerability by "storing" fuel offshore, including that widely mocked deal to keep Australian reserves in the United States. That wasn't fuel security, it was outsourcing the problem and hoping nothing would go wrong.

And now something has gone wrong.

We're more exposed than ever to global disruptions, shipping constraints, and geopolitical instability. We have less domestic refining capacity than we did a decade ago, thinner buffers, and a system that runs on "just in time" logistics in a world that is increasingly anything but stable.

If Shorten's policy had been implemented, we'd be sitting on larger, mandated reserves inside Australia, with stronger domestic infrastructure to fall back on. That doesn't make us immune, but it gives us breathing room, options, and leverage.

Instead, what you voted for, even in your safe seat, left us reactive, exposed, and scrambling every time there's a shock to the system.

So when you ask "what would Shorten have done", the more honest question is, what did Morrison do, because that's the policy you chose, and this is the outcome.

This is why being an informed voter, not just obsessing over trans athletes is so important.

But we can't have nice things, so I guess just vote for PHON because of immigrants and we'll be just as buggered as the US is right now.





You've made a false assumption that I voted for ScoMo.

I have been voting for Independents for a long time.

Both major parties have very similar policies.


What about your preferences though?

Did you put the Libs before or after Labor?



Bobby?
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Reply #820 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:45pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:38pm:
What about your preferences though?

Did you put the Libs before or after Labor?



Bobby? [/quote]


Labor last - Libbos 2nd last.
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Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre
Reply #821 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:48pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 12:50pm:
We could form a whole list of people who didn't know what they were doing.

What happened?
We had our resources raped and pillaged by overseas companies -
we should have been energy independent and receiving proper taxes for our resources -
not being left like some poor African tin pot nation from the colonial era of the 19th century.

Trump has done the opposite of all of them -
he introduced tariffs  and tried to protect local industry
from the unfair price dumping and industry destroying countries like China.
Is Trump correct? - he's not an accountant or an economist either -
in fact he went bankrupt 6 times.


While I'll give you credit for at least looking it up, it's pretty telling that you had to ask AI after the fact rather than knowing any of this before you walked into a voting booth.

That's not a minor detail, that's the whole problem.

You keep framing this as if Trump was some bold outlier fixing a broken system, when in reality he ignored virtually every piece of expert advice put in front of him and delivered exactly the outcomes he was warned about.

The tariffs weren't some genius protectionist masterstroke, they were a blunt instrument. American consumers paid more, businesses paid more, supply chains tightened, labour shortages worsened after mass deportations, and instead of a manufacturing renaissance you got stagnation. No surge in jobs, no meaningful reshoring, just higher costs and a shrinking trajectory. That wasn't unforeseeable, it was predicted.

Same story with Iran. He tore up a functioning agreement, one that the IAEA confirmed was actively constraining Iran's nuclear program, not because it failed, but because it had Obama's name on it. His entire negotiating strategy then defaulted to threats and escalation, which predictably collapsed. When advisors, including military leadership, warned him about the cost, the regional fallout, and the risk to the Strait of Hormuz, he didn't adjust course, he removed the people giving the advice.

That's not strength, that's ego.

And when you bypass Congress to launch military action, you don't get to spread the blame around later. The legality becomes questionable, but the responsibility is crystal clear. The downstream effects, fuel volatility, fertiliser costs, global food pressure, that all traces back to decisions that didn't need to be made in the first place.

He didn't have to act. That's the point. Stability was already there, imperfect but functional. He chose disruption for the sake of it.

So yes, he did the "opposite" of previous governments. And the result is exactly what happens when you ignore expertise, sideline institutions, and run policy through personal grievance.

And let's not rewrite history now. You don't get to spend years cheerleading him, posting the usual AI-generated messianic nonsense about how he'd save the world, then suddenly pivot to "I'm just an independent thinker" the moment it all goes sideways. That's the same accountability dodge we've seen a hundred times.

Votes have consequences. Real ones. Economic, geopolitical, human.

If you're going to take part in that process, the bare minimum is being informed before the fact, not scrambling to justify it afterwards while pointing at distractions like culture war rubbish.

Because that's exactly how people end up voting against their own interests while thinking they're doing the opposite.
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Reply #822 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:59pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 12:50pm:
We could form a whole list of people who didn't know what they were doing.

What happened?
We had our resources raped and pillaged by overseas companies -
we should have been energy independent and receiving proper taxes for our resources -
not being left like some poor African tin pot nation from the colonial era of the 19th century.

Trump has done the opposite of all of them -
he introduced tariffs  and tried to protect local industry
from the unfair price dumping and industry destroying countries like China.
Is Trump correct? - he's not an accountant or an economist either -
in fact he went bankrupt 6 times.


While I'll give you credit for at least looking it up, it's pretty telling that you had to ask AI after the fact rather than knowing any of this before you walked into a voting booth.

That's not a minor detail, that's the whole problem.

You keep framing this as if Trump was some bold outlier fixing a broken system, when in reality he ignored virtually every piece of expert advice put in front of him and delivered exactly the outcomes he was warned about.

The tariffs weren't some genius protectionist masterstroke, they were a blunt instrument. American consumers paid more, businesses paid more, supply chains tightened, labour shortages worsened after mass deportations, and instead of a manufacturing renaissance you got stagnation. No surge in jobs, no meaningful reshoring, just higher costs and a shrinking trajectory. That wasn't unforeseeable, it was predicted.

Same story with Iran. He tore up a functioning agreement, one that the IAEA confirmed was actively constraining Iran's nuclear program, not because it failed, but because it had Obama's name on it. His entire negotiating strategy then defaulted to threats and escalation, which predictably collapsed. When advisors, including military leadership, warned him about the cost, the regional fallout, and the risk to the Strait of Hormuz, he didn't adjust course, he removed the people giving the advice.

That's not strength, that's ego.

And when you bypass Congress to launch military action, you don't get to spread the blame around later. The legality becomes questionable, but the responsibility is crystal clear. The downstream effects, fuel volatility, fertiliser costs, global food pressure, that all traces back to decisions that didn't need to be made in the first place.

He didn't have to act. That's the point. Stability was already there, imperfect but functional. He chose disruption for the sake of it.

So yes, he did the "opposite" of previous governments. And the result is exactly what happens when you ignore expertise, sideline institutions, and run policy through personal grievance.

And let's not rewrite history now. You don't get to spend years cheerleading him, posting the usual AI-generated messianic nonsense about how he'd save the world, then suddenly pivot to "I'm just an independent thinker" the moment it all goes sideways. That's the same accountability dodge we've seen a hundred times.

Votes have consequences. Real ones. Economic, geopolitical, human.

If you're going to take part in that process, the bare minimum is being informed before the fact, not scrambling to justify it afterwards while pointing at distractions like culture war rubbish.

Because that's exactly how people end up voting against their own interests while thinking they're doing the opposite.



I didn't have to ask AI - that was all common knowledge -
that was for the benefit of our readers.

The fact is that none of our political leaders have done the right thing.
None of them were qualified to run our economy.
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Reply #823 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 2:29pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:59pm:
SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:48pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 12:50pm:
We could form a whole list of people who didn't know what they were doing.

What happened?
We had our resources raped and pillaged by overseas companies -
we should have been energy independent and receiving proper taxes for our resources -
not being left like some poor African tin pot nation from the colonial era of the 19th century.

Trump has done the opposite of all of them -
he introduced tariffs  and tried to protect local industry
from the unfair price dumping and industry destroying countries like China.
Is Trump correct? - he's not an accountant or an economist either -
in fact he went bankrupt 6 times.


While I'll give you credit for at least looking it up, it's pretty telling that you had to ask AI after the fact rather than knowing any of this before you walked into a voting booth.

That's not a minor detail, that's the whole problem.

You keep framing this as if Trump was some bold outlier fixing a broken system, when in reality he ignored virtually every piece of expert advice put in front of him and delivered exactly the outcomes he was warned about.

The tariffs weren't some genius protectionist masterstroke, they were a blunt instrument. American consumers paid more, businesses paid more, supply chains tightened, labour shortages worsened after mass deportations, and instead of a manufacturing renaissance you got stagnation. No surge in jobs, no meaningful reshoring, just higher costs and a shrinking trajectory. That wasn't unforeseeable, it was predicted.

Same story with Iran. He tore up a functioning agreement, one that the IAEA confirmed was actively constraining Iran's nuclear program, not because it failed, but because it had Obama's name on it. His entire negotiating strategy then defaulted to threats and escalation, which predictably collapsed. When advisors, including military leadership, warned him about the cost, the regional fallout, and the risk to the Strait of Hormuz, he didn't adjust course, he removed the people giving the advice.

That's not strength, that's ego.

And when you bypass Congress to launch military action, you don't get to spread the blame around later. The legality becomes questionable, but the responsibility is crystal clear. The downstream effects, fuel volatility, fertiliser costs, global food pressure, that all traces back to decisions that didn't need to be made in the first place.

He didn't have to act. That's the point. Stability was already there, imperfect but functional. He chose disruption for the sake of it.

So yes, he did the "opposite" of previous governments. And the result is exactly what happens when you ignore expertise, sideline institutions, and run policy through personal grievance.

And let's not rewrite history now. You don't get to spend years cheerleading him, posting the usual AI-generated messianic nonsense about how he'd save the world, then suddenly pivot to "I'm just an independent thinker" the moment it all goes sideways. That's the same accountability dodge we've seen a hundred times.

Votes have consequences. Real ones. Economic, geopolitical, human.

If you're going to take part in that process, the bare minimum is being informed before the fact, not scrambling to justify it afterwards while pointing at distractions like culture war rubbish.

Because that's exactly how people end up voting against their own interests while thinking they're doing the opposite.



I didn't have to ask AI - that was all common knowledge -
that was for the benefit of our readers.

The fact is that none of our political leaders have done the right thing.
None of them were qualified to run our economy.


Yet you keep supporting, and one would presume voting for, those who aren't even trying, while attacking those who do, and anyone who supports them.

It's almost as if you don't have any right to sook about this, isn't it...

It's all just a way to "they're just as bad as each other" your way out of having to face up to how you keep backing those making the problems worse and attacking those proposing actual solutions.
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Reply #824 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 2:35pm
 
SadKangaroo wrote on Apr 15th, 2026 at 2:29pm:
Yet you keep supporting, and one would presume voting for, those who aren't even trying, while attacking those who do, and anyone who supports them.

It's almost as if you don't have any right to sook about this, isn't it...

It's all just a way to "they're just as bad as each other" your way out of having to face up to how you keep backing those making the problems worse and attacking those proposing actual solutions.




Something has got to change -
we can't keep repeating the same experiment and expecting different results.
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