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Reply #45 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:13pm

Freediver doesn't seem to get it.

Take fossil fuels away now and your standard of living will nosedive.

Eventually solar and nuclear may be able to take over but that is a long way off.

I expect it will be decades until I have an electric tractor.

Without diesel , there is no food production.

A 60 HP tractor that runs on 50 bucks of fuel a day , does the work of 60 horses or 500 men.

You want to pay a man 10 cents a day to till the field?

You think white knight and his crew will work for 10 cents a day?

Because take away diesel and we are back to serfs in the field.

Even using 60 horses would cost you 1000 a day in feed and you would need multiple laborers to set up a horse team

We must give thanks for the miracle of fossil fuels

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 117786 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre Reply #46 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:21pm hear hear sir Aqua, hydrocarbons are a miracle.
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Reply #47 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:22pm

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I expect it will be decades until I have an electric tractor.

I expect I will never have one. But who cares about tractors? We could easily achieve all our climate change targets and keep using diesel tractors.

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Take fossil fuels away now and your standard of living will nosedive.

It would be expensive to make a sudden and massive change, but no-one is proposing that. We have had about 5 decades of warning. You keep inventing idiotic strawmen and gleefully shooting them down, but all you are really doing is being evasive. People are already choosing electric vehicles - not because of climate change, not because of peak oil, but because they are cheaper to run. Your nosediving standard of living is a moronic fantasy.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:06pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 11:09am:

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In today's The West Australian, former consumer regulator Allan Fels says that if the war goes on for longer than 6 weeks (as I'm sure it will) then the government will have to do something - like price controls and petrol rationing.

Why would it have to do that?

So that workers have enough petrol to get to work and back? Undecided

Rationing would not achieve that Bobby. It would do the opposite.

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Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre
Reply #48 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:28pm

Bobby. wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 5:29am:

Use this site to find your local petrol prices:

https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-37.814107/144.96328

You can see it's around $2.40 per litre for U98.

It was $1.89 last week - so a big jump
from all the war profiteering.

Hang on, weren't you just posting praise for your DL for bringing the price of gas down to $1.99 a gallon?

That was less than two weeks ago.

What say you now?

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Reply #49 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:31pm

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:22pm:

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I expect it will be decades until I have an electric tractor.

I expect I will never have one. But who cares about tractors? We could easily achieve all our climate change targets and keep using diesel tractors.

Whoa!!

Sooooo.. how far exactly is this 'energy TRANSITION' wheeze is going?

No, no, no, dont tell me it's ....the mythical unicorn of 'net zero'.

A gretaesque slogan.

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Reply #50 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:34pm

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:28pm:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 5:29am:

Use this site to find your local petrol prices:

https://petrolspy.com.au/map/latlng/-37.814107/144.96328

You can see it's around $2.40 per litre for U98.

It was $1.89 last week - so a big jump
from all the war profiteering.

Hang on, weren't you just posting praise for your DL for bringing the price of gas down to $1.99 a gallon?

That was less than two weeks ago.

What say you now?

Our DL said not to worry.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/trump-rising-gas-prices-during-iran-oper...

WASHINGTON, March 5 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Thursday he was not concerned about rising U.S. gas prices driven by the widening Iran conflict, telling Reuters in an exclusive interview that the U.S. military operation was his priority.

"I don't have any concern about it," he said, when asked about the higher prices at ‌the pump.
"They'll drop very rapidly when this is over, and if they rise, they rise,
but this is far more important than having gasoline prices go up a little bit."

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 117786 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre Reply #51 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:39pm FD, Quote: Rationing would not achieve that Bobby. It would do the opposite. Really - I'll have to put my Velcro, instead of laces shoes on, and walk everywhere.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57170 Gender:	Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre Reply #52 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:49pm Quote: "I don't have any concern about it," he said, when asked about the higher prices at ‌the pump. "They'll drop very rapidly when this is over, and if they rise, they rise, but this is far more important than having gasoline prices go up a little bit." Just so.
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Reply #53 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:54pm

Freediver is confused.
The figures re EVs are crystal clear.

Without subsidies , none would be sold.
They require coal or gas to be burnt at night to make the electricity to recharge them

If you have a 5 yo petrol car and want to help reduce your carbon emissions the absolute best thing to do is to keep driving it.

If you switch it out for a tesla or a byd it is 10 years before the carbon used to produce that car is nullified.

And by 10 yrs, the battery is shot.

EVs make virtually no difference unless you make them incredibly light and therefore quite dangerous in a crash.
China is going that route .
Australia probably will not.
Out roads require a heavier more robust vehicle

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Reply #54 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 7:07pm

Frank wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 9:07am:

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:44am:

Frank wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:38am:

So what happened to Chris Bowel's Glorious Energy Transition?

Note that Iran is targeting neighbouring oil refineries and gas ports, NOT wind and solar farms.
Why?
The world runs on fossil fuels? Shurely shome mishtake.

Because a centralised system makes it more vulnerable to attack.

Why is Australia's energy supply is centralised elsewhere?

Why isnt Australia, energy superpower, self reliant for every form of energy? What madness has made Australia import 90% of its fuel?
What Gretaesque madness rationalised such stupidity?

Why? Because you, Rupert and the Libs have been bleating away about how awful renewable energy is for the past thirty years, dear. That's why.

What grotesque madness made you krap away about nuclear energy and nationalised coal-fired power stations while our energy infrastructure was rusting away and passing its use-by date?

Why, after 30 years of Tory obstructionism, have Australians been quietly putting solar panels on their rooftops, the biggest rooftop solar uptake in the world? Why, in the city all those Libs conspired in, have we been able to install a solar farm powerful enough to run our nation's capital, generating enough solar energy for half a million people?

I'll tell you why, dear boy. Because most of us, despite your distraction, hissy fits and culture wars, have begun the transition without you. And do you know? We twigged we can't do it with the Libs in power, so we all made a collective decision at the last election to throw them out for good.

It's not your country, old boy. You couldn't give a pickled herring. But the rest of us are more than happy to put in the effort without you.

And you?

You'll always be free - free to go straight right back to where you came from.

Freeeeeedom, innit.

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Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre
Reply #55 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 7:14pm

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 7:07pm:

Frank wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 9:07am:

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:44am:

Frank wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:38am:

So what happened to Chris Bowel's Glorious Energy Transition?

Note that Iran is targeting neighbouring oil refineries and gas ports, NOT wind and solar farms.
Why?
The world runs on fossil fuels? Shurely shome mishtake.

Because a centralised system makes it more vulnerable to attack.

Why is Australia's energy supply is centralised elsewhere?

Why isnt Australia, energy superpower, self reliant for every form of energy? What madness has made Australia import 90% of its fuel?
What Gretaesque madness rationalised such stupidity?

Why? Because you, Rupert and the Libs have been bleating away about how awful renewable energy is for the past thirty years, dear. That's why.

What grotesque madness made you krap away about nuclear energy and nationalised coal-fired power stations while our energy infrastructure was rusting away and passing its use-by date?

Why, after 30 years of Tory obstructionism, have Australians been quietly putting solar panels on their rooftops, the biggest rooftop solar uptake in the world? Why, in the city all those Libs conspired in, have we been able to install a solar farm powerful enough to run our nation's capital, generating enough solar energy for half a million people?

I'll tell you why, dear boy. Because most of us, despite your distraction, hissy fits and culture wars, have begun the transition without you. And do you know? We twigged we can't do it with the Libs in power, so we all made a collective decision at the last election to throw them out for good.

It's not your country, old boy. You couldn't give a pickled herring. But the rest of us are more than happy to put in the effort without you.

And you?

You'll always be free - free to go straight right back to where you came from.

Freeeeeedom, innit.

Thank you Greta.

You are out of your mind, as ever.

Nobody, not even you think that you have addressed the questions. You retard will simply regurgitate the same shite no matter what the question.

Morons, robots, bots, blathering grimacing pakis.

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Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre
Reply #56 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 7:48pm

Frank wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:31pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 6:22pm:

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I expect it will be decades until I have an electric tractor.

I expect I will never have one. But who cares about tractors? We could easily achieve all our climate change targets and keep using diesel tractors.

Whoa!!

Sooooo.. how far exactly is this 'energy TRANSITION' wheeze is going?

No, no, no, dont tell me it's ....the mythical unicorn of 'net zero'.

A gretaesque slogan.

You know that net zero by 2050, or some later decade, is not the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels now. It is not even the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels. Or tractors. Does every discussion you have about climate change descend into people patiently trying to explain to you how your idiotic fantasies differ from reality? Or do you think you could figure that out for yourself?

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Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre
Reply #57 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:05pm

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 7:48pm:

You know that net zero by 2050, or some later decade, is not the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels now. I

First of all you would need to make solar panels and wind turbines without fossil fuels.

And burying solar panels and turbine blades merely adds to the environmental costs. Roll Eyes

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Reply #58 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:07pm

lee wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:05pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 7:48pm:

You know that net zero by 2050, or some later decade, is not the same thing as abandoning fossil fuels now. I

First of all you would need to make solar panels and wind turbines without fossil fuels.

And burying solar panels and turbine blades merely adds to the environmental costs. Roll Eyes

Lee, no one other than Frank was suggesting we abandon fossil fuels now. The whole point was that it was just an idiotic fantasy on his part.

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lee Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 20111 Gender:	Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre Reply #59 - Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:21pm freediver wrote on Mar 7^th, 2026 at 8:07pm: Lee, no one other than Frank was suggesting we abandon fossil fuels now. T maybe you should check on Blackout Bowen.
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