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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 52794 At my desk.	Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre Reply #135 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:04pm That's not an accounting trick Scoot. That's sharing the power lines.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20146 Gender:	Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre Reply #136 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:06pm freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:04pm: That's not an accounting trick Scoot. That's sharing the power lines. So how do they get rid of the fossil fuelled portion of the power line? It is an accounting trick. "Buy green credits - it becomes "green power".
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Reply #137 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:07pm

Freediver might need a spare trillion. And let's not forget their are enough rare earth minerals for the world o do this Roll Eyes

Australia consumes roughly 700,000 MWh (700 GWh) of electricity per day. �
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Night is roughly half a day, so covering just nighttime demand would require roughly:
≈350 GWh of storage
2️⃣ Cost of enough batteries for overnight power
Grid-scale lithium batteries currently cost roughly $250–400 million per GWh of storage (depending on project size and duration). �
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Rough calculation
If we assume $300 million per GWh:
Required storage: 350 GWh
Cost per GWh: $300 million
Total cost ≈ $105 billion
So just to cover one night of electricity demand:
➡️ About $100–120 billion.
But that’s not the whole story.
3️⃣ The real problem: multiple cloudy / windless days
Energy systems can’t rely on just one night of storage, because sometimes:
Wind drops for days
Solar is weak in winter
Weather systems cover large regions
Energy planners usually model 3–5 days of storage.
If Australia wanted 5 days of storage
Daily demand:
700 GWh/day
Five days:
3,500 GWh storage
Cost:
3,500 GWh × $300M/GWh
= ≈ $1 trillion
And batteries last about 10–15 years, meaning they’d need ongoing replacement. �

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Reply #138 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:09pm

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:04pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:59pm:

Low prices indicate an oversupply. They kind of went overboard a while back when every premier wanted a dam named after him.

So overboard they had to import.

Tasmania is a net electricity exporter, but it works both ways. When electricity is cheaper on the mainland due to renewable energy being so cheap (less than half the price of coal, 1/3 the price of nuclear), they import. Sometimes the east coast electricity price goes negative and we actually pay the Tasmanians to take our electricity. Then when there is high demand on the east coast pushing prices up, Tasmania runs the hydro plants and exports more renewable energy.

The wonders of the free market. All that cheap renewable electricity getting shared around. It must make your blood boil, having to search so hard for something to whine about.

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Reply #139 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:11pm

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:04pm:

That's not an accounting trick Scoot. That's sharing the power lines.

Incorrect, they build a solar farm in qld, pump power into the grid at midday when we already have too much, then pay to suck back on fossil fuels at night and declare they are 100 % renewable.

Accounting trick.

If it's not, let's see them disconnect from the grid Cheesy

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Reply #140 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:12pm

https://au.news.yahoo.com/driver-accused-of-ridiculous-act-at-aussie-petrol-stat...

Fuel prices soar to $4 per litre in regional towns
Fuel prices are already starting to soar to nearly $4 per litre in some remote parts of Australia, with fears it will climb higher.

Remote parts of the Northern Territory, including Ramingining, 560 km east of Darwin in Arnhem Land, are currently paying $3.99 per litre for diesel.

Another community in Arnhem Land, Milingimbi are also paying $3.95 per litre.

Cities are yet to be hit as badly with service stations across Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane charging almost $2.20 a litre.

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Reply #141 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:12pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:11pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:04pm:

That's not an accounting trick Scoot. That's sharing the power lines.

Incorrect, they build a solar farm in qld, pump power into the grid at midday when we already have too much, then pay to suck back on fossil fuels at night and declare they are 100 % renewable.

Accounting trick.

If it's not, let's see them disconnect from the grid Cheesy

That's not what your copy and paste job says. Did you read it?

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20146 Gender:	Re: Petrol could hit $3 per litre Reply #142 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:30pm freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:09pm: All that cheap renewable electricity getting shared around. It must make your blood boil, having to search so hard for something to whine about. You forgot the fossil fuelled electricity that is shared all over the grid too. But you don't want to mention that.
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Reply #143 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:30pm

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:12pm:

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:11pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:04pm:

That's not an accounting trick Scoot. That's sharing the power lines.

Incorrect, they build a solar farm in qld, pump power into the grid at midday when we already have too much, then pay to suck back on fossil fuels at night and declare they are 100 % renewable.

Accounting trick.

If it's not, let's see them disconnect from the grid Cheesy

That's not what your copy and paste job says. Did you read it?

Certainly did.

It said they are connected to the grid so that at night they can use all those lovely electrons created by fossil fuels in other states

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Reply #144 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:34pm

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:30pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:09pm:

All that cheap renewable electricity getting shared around. It must make your blood boil, having to search so hard for something to whine about.

You forgot the fossil fuelled electricity that is shared all over the grid too. But you don't want to mention that. Grin

I am not the one looking for something to whine about when wind and solar cost less than half the price of coal, and less than a third the price of nuclear, and we are putting in a second main trunk to Tasmania so we can take advantage of their cheap, despatchable hydro as well.

This has all been explained to you countless times before, but still you trot out the same old erroneous complaints.

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Certainly did.

Not the bit you actually copied scoot. Either you left that bit out, or you are confused again. You left out both the link, and the relevant information, if it even exists.

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Reply #145 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:40pm

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:54pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:31pm:

The ACT is powered by 100% renewable energy, dear.

So what you are saying is that the ACT is NOT connected to the east coast grid. Roll Eyes

"The National Electricity Market (NEM) is comprised of five physically connected regions on the east coast of Australia:

Queensland
New South Wales (which includes the ACT)
Victoria
Tasmania
South Australia"

https://www.aemc.gov.au/energy-system/electricity/electricity-system/NEM

"Electricity prices in the Canberra, ACT have been volatile, with costs rising in recent years despite strong renewable generation."

https://www.solarchoice.net.au/energy/electricity-rebates/act/

Nothing there about 100% renewables.

"Some electricity accounting methodologies, such as the market-based method used by Climate Active, recognise the proportion of the ACT Government's commitment that has been matched with the ACT Government’s surrender of renewable energy certificates. This is termed the Jurisdictional Renewable Power Percentage (JRPP) and in 2024 this was 79.51%. The JRPP for 2025 has yet not been released."

https://www.greenpower.gov.au/get-greenpower/buying-greenpower-australian-capita...

Nor there.

"When you add a Greenchoice fee to your electricity bill, you contribute to the purchase of renewable electricity from government-accredited sources, including wind power, biomass, hydro and solar."

https://www.actewagl.com.au/sustainability/greenchoice

Nor there.

So perhaps you can tell us how they switch off the fossil fuelled part of the grid. Just too dumb to do your own research. Roll Eyes

Why my poor dear fellow, I've shown you already!

Just think, you could have spent your time doing something productive - learning a new language, playing a musical instrument, going out and starting a business.

But no, the chodes never learn.

Aquascoot said.

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Reply #146 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:41pm

aquascoot wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:01pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 3:31pm:

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 1:06pm:

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 12:33pm:

When all along, territories and states like the ACT and South Australia have been quietly getting on with the job, using the sun and the wind, just as God wills it

yet another "wrong" answer.

The only reason the ACT boats about being fully renewable is because it buys "green credits", although they may not be necessarily green. Wink

The only reason for SA is because they have the interconnector from Victoria. and that is a mix of all energy types. Brown coal included. Roll Eyes

The ACT is powered by 100% renewable energy, dear.

South Australia is currently at 72%, as per our previously-posted evidence.

So no, not "wrong", categorically proven. No matter how many lies you try, you can't possibly win.

How does it feeeeeel?

An accounting trick.

The ACT is connected to the National Electricity Market (NEM) with NSW, QLD, VIC, SA, and TAS.
That means:
Electricity in the wires is the general grid mix (coal, gas, hydro, wind, solar).
At any given moment, the power used in Canberra might come from coal or gas plants elsewhere. �
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The ACT’s renewable generators are often located in other states and feed power into the same grid. �
ABC News
Think of it like this:
The grid is a big pool of electricity.
The ACT pays to put in as much renewable energy as it takes out, but the electrons themselves mix.

Mixed electrons, is it?

Oh-er, sounds a bit rude.

SEND THEM BACK !!!

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Reply #147 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:45pm

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:34pm:

lee wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:30pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:09pm:

All that cheap renewable electricity getting shared around. It must make your blood boil, having to search so hard for something to whine about.

You forgot the fossil fuelled electricity that is shared all over the grid too. But you don't want to mention that. Grin

I am not the one looking for something to whine about when wind and solar cost less than half the price of coal, and less than a third the price of nuclear, and we are putting in a second main trunk to Tasmania so we can take advantage of their cheap, despatchable hydro as well.

This has all been explained to you countless times before, but still you trot out the same old erroneous complaints.

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Certainly did.

Not the bit you actually copied scoot. Either you left that bit out, or you are confused again. You left out both the link, and the relevant information, if it even exists.

Aquascoot hasn't learned to post a link the whole time he's been here, poor thing.

When one Googles the contents, one nearly always discovers the exact opposite of what he's posted.

A cautionary tale indeed.

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Reply #148 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:45pm

freediver wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:34pm:

I am not the one looking for something wo whine about when wind and solar cost less than half the price of coal, and less than a third the price of nuclear, and we are putting in a second main trunk to Tasmania so we can take advantage of their cheap, despatchable hydro as well.

And when solar and wind give about 25% capacity factor. Wink

And then the land required needed.

"Long story short, matching the accredited capacity of one natural gas plant sitting on 58 acres of land with solar in 2030 would require over 105,792 acres of solar panels, roughly 29% of the total land area of Cerro Gordo County."

The River City Energy Project is a 500 megawatt (MW) solar farm proposed by Ranger Power in Cerro Gordo County, Iowa. If approved, the total project site would be 2,894 acres, most of it on farmland, equating to an average of 5.8 acres per MW of installed capacity.

In contrast, the Emery Generating Station, a nearby CC natural gas plant also located in Cerro Gordo County, has a total rated capacity of 602.8 MW and sits on a total of around 58 acres. Including the power plant and the parking lot, land use for this CC plant equates to 0.096 acres per MW of installed capacity.

This means the proposed Ranger Power solar facility would require 60 times more land per MW than a CC natural gas plant of equal size.

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The low capacity value attributed to solar using the DLOL metric would necessitate 19.29 acres of solar panels for one MW of accredited capacity in the 2025-2026 planning year, compared to 0.14 acres for a combined cycle natural gas plant. In 2030 and 2033, it would require 257.24 acres of solar panels for one MW of accredited capacity, growing to 578.80 acres in 2043.

In comparison, natural gas would require 0.14 acres, 0.14, and 0.14 acres in 2030, 2033, and 2043, respectively.
https://energybadboys.substack.com/p/solars-land-use-problem-is-much-worse

Panels age they will all need to be replace eventually. Just more landfill. And solar panels are less effective in summer, because of temperature across the junction.

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Reply #149 - Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:50pm

Melanias purse wrote on Mar 9^th, 2026 at 4:40pm:

Why my poor dear fellow, I've shown you already!

You have shown nothing. merely made a claim by a politician.

from your reference -

"The ACT is connected to the national energy grid, so we can source some of our renewable electricity supply from other parts of Australia."

So connected to the grid, full of that beastly fossil fuelled energy. Grin

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