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Reply #60 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:04pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 5:55pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 10:22am:
Jasin wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 8:47am:
Bush, Clinton, Obama, Biden never needed Congress approval.
Why is it now different for the Lefties, with Trump?


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Bush:
The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, informally known as the Iraq Resolution, was a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No. 107-243, authorizing the use of the United States Armed Forces against Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist Iraqi government in what would be known as Operation Iraqi Freedom. It was repealed by the National Defense Authorization Act.


Bush war declared by Congress.



Vietnam, the Big One, wasn't.  Started by Kennedy, a Dem.

Tsk, tsk Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Started by Kennedy


Kennedy was shot in Nov 63 (the day that Aldous Huxley died) the war started in 64.
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Reply #61 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:05pm
 
Truman was the first one to send troops to Vietnam.

Kennedy sent troops in 1961.

Johnson increased the presence after the assassination of Kennedy.
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Reply #62 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:11pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:05pm:
Truman was the first one to send troops to Vietnam.

Kennedy sent troops in 1961.

Johnson increased the presence after the assassination of Kennedy.


Kennedy sent advisors. Under LBJ congress authorised direct action.
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Reply #63 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:34pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:11pm:
lee wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:05pm:
Truman was the first one to send troops to Vietnam.

Kennedy sent troops in 1961.

Johnson increased the presence after the assassination of Kennedy.


Kennedy sent advisors. Under LBJ congress authorised direct action.

Trump is sending advisory bombs and missiles at this stage.

Like Kennedy.

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Reply #64 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 8:36pm
 
Just proven: the action of Trump is legal, both internationally and USA. It's in the Constitution that a President can do so without the need of Congress (aka Establishment). Also, Trump has given the Left a taste of their Pronoun Word Salads by not calling it a WAR, rather an OPERATION.  Grin

The Left eat their own turds again.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #65 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 8:52pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:11pm:
lee wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:05pm:
Truman was the first one to send troops to Vietnam.

Kennedy sent troops in 1961.

Johnson increased the presence after the assassination of Kennedy.


Kennedy sent advisors. Under LBJ congress authorised direct action.



Yeah Army Special Forces "advisors". Roll Eyes

"June 1961 — Kennedy said, "Now we have a problem making our power credible and Vietnam looks like the place" to James Reston of The New York Times (immediately after meeting Khrushchev in Vienna)."

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BTW - They were not just trainers. Wink
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Reply #66 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 10:26pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:11pm:
lee wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:05pm:
Truman was the first one to send troops to Vietnam.

Kennedy sent troops in 1961.

Johnson increased the presence after the assassination of Kennedy.


Kennedy sent advisors. Under LBJ congress authorised direct action.

Trump is the new Kennedy.

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Reply #67 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 10:27pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 8:52pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:11pm:
lee wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:05pm:
Truman was the first one to send troops to Vietnam.

Kennedy sent troops in 1961.

Johnson increased the presence after the assassination of Kennedy.


Kennedy sent advisors. Under LBJ congress authorised direct action.



Yeah Army Special Forces "advisors". Roll Eyes

"June 1961 — Kennedy said, "Now we have a problem making our power credible and Vietnam looks like the place" to James Reston of The New York Times (immediately after meeting Khrushchev in Vienna)."

wiki


BTW - They were not just trainers. Wink


So he sent advisors and didn't declare war right?

The next guy did announce war with congressional approval.

Now isn't that the point in terms of the prior statment made that their was no congressional approval for the Vietnam war?

Don't we all see that that statment was incorrect when there was clearly approval?

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Yeah Army Special Forces "advisors"


Yes advisors - you know people who do not partisipate in war ?
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Reply #68 - Mar 4th, 2026 at 1:06pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 10:27pm:
Yes advisors - you know people who do not partisipate in war ?


You mean "advisors" who were killed by Vietcong that were not participating in war? I guess that just makes it Vietcong murder then. Roll Eyes
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Reply #69 - Mar 4th, 2026 at 3:57pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 10:26pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:11pm:
lee wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:05pm:
Truman was the first one to send troops to Vietnam.

Kennedy sent troops in 1961.

Johnson increased the presence after the assassination of Kennedy.


Kennedy sent advisors. Under LBJ congress authorised direct action.

Trump is the new Kennedy.



Remember breath in breath out.

Great advice for anyone dumb enough to believe that post.
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Reply #70 - Mar 4th, 2026 at 4:22pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 4th, 2026 at 3:57pm:
Great advice for anyone dumb enough to believe that post.



So in Vietnam under Kennedy, there was an undeclared war. LBJ merely changed the status to a declared war. Roll Eyes
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Reply #71 - Mar 5th, 2026 at 11:51am
 
Would be funny, if not so disastrous for world peace:

In defending the US attack on Iran, John Bolton said today:

"The religious fanatics leading Iran are a threat to the US and its allies. "

Thus implying (rightly) Islamic religious fundamentalism is a threat to the the non-Muslim world.

But also today:

(The Independent)

"Commander said Trump was 'anointed by Jesus' to justify Iran strikes".

A military commander told a group of non-commissioned officers that President Donald Trump was “anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth,” according to a complaint filed with a religious freedom watchdog.

...while everyone is arguing over whether the US attack on Iran is "legal" or not. 

In fact, the absurd UN doctrine of "legal" war is at the heart of the problem: "legality" is in the eye of the beholder.

eg Bin Laden himself told us Moslems will wage "rightous war" against "infidel crusaders" who occupy Muslim lands (eg Israel, and US military bases).


And Carney?

Carney says he backs strikes on Iran ‘with some regret’ as world order frays

https://apnews.com/article/australia-carney-canada-iran-regret-ab529749962be194a...
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And the world order is fraying because religious fundamentalists are able to govern - because the UN has failed to face the consequences of its absurd doctrine of "legal" war.

Murder is illegal.  Full stop.

National law can't stop unknown individuals from committing murder, but international law backed by a UNSC without veto OUGHT to be able to eradicate war as a dispute settlement mechanisn between nations whose policies ARE known.

"Legal" war be damned.

eg, an individual who kills in self-defence may not be charged with murder, as determined  by the courts.

But war IS mass murder, by definition. 

No court of law required, just a UNSC minus veto capable of  enforcing law determined by an UN-ordained ICJ acting as 'Supreme Court' .

Meaning no Israel war or Ukraine war ....or Iran war, since the policies of each nation are well known  and can be adjudicated, to prevent war. 

Let's ask AI re the insanity of war:

The phrase "war is the ultimate insanity" reflects a long-standing viewpoint that organized, large-scale violence is a fundamentally irrational, destructive act, often described as doing the same thing over and over—violence—while expecting different, peaceful results.

Here is a breakdown of why war is often equated with ultimate insanity:

Destruction Over Solution: While war is often marketed as a method to solve conflicts, it rarely provides lasting solutions, instead causing generational trauma, immense loss of life, and the destruction of property.

The "Fog" and Chaos: War inherently creates chaos, where plans fail, communication breaks down, and decisions are made based on incomplete or inaccurate information—a state that can be described as a "slow slide into insanity" for those involved.

Insanity of Modernity: The modern, industrial, and digital age has only heightened this, making the sheer scale of destruction in modern warfare, such as in Ukraine or other global conflicts, seem like a "mass insanity".

Irrationality of Action: Even when it is clear that a battle is futile or that peace is possible, war often continues, with soldiers sometimes dying on the final day of a conflict, highlighting the irrational, relentless momentum of battle.

Mental Erosion: Beyond the physical, war forces human beings into situations of extreme horror that break down sanity, with significant percentages of populations experiencing serious, long-term mental health problems.

This perspective suggests that true progress and resolution come from diplomacy and cooperation, not from the irrational and destructive path of war.


.....no doubt the Green's perspective.

What is YOUR perspective:  try AI, and let us know if it supports your perspective.









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Reply #72 - Yesterday at 5:45pm
 
AUKUS put Australians on the US Submarine that sank a Iranian Frigate
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Prime Minister Albanese has finally admitted that there were three Australians on the US nuclear submarines that sank an Iranian frigate in International waters off Sri Lanka.

The IRIS Dena, an Iranian frigate, was returning from India when a US nuclear-powered attack submarine shot a torpedo and sank the vessel off the coast of Sri Lanka in international waters. The US, and the Australian crew members, then left the crew to drown.

These actions were in breach of the Second Geneva Convention, which requires, after a maritime engagement, parties to immediately search for and collect the wounded, sick, and shipwrecked.

The Albanese Government has been lying to the Australian public about its role in the illegal US and Israeli war in Iran. Those lies have consequences and have already implicated Australia in US war crimes.

Senator David Shoebridge, Greens spokesperson on Defence and Foreign Affairs, said

“This was an inevitability of AUKUS. From the start, the Greens warned the Government that AUKUS would chain us to the US military and drag us into whatever war they chose. That is what is happening now in real time.

“We know there are a minimum of 50 Australian personnel on US nuclear attack-class submarines, mostly operating in the Indo-Pacific. Albanese, after questioning from the Greens, has finally confirmed that it includes three Australian troops on the US submarine that sank the Iranian vessel.

“The Albanese Labor Government was the first in the world to back Trump and Netanyahu's illegal war in Iran. The truth is, the decision to enter this latest US war wasn’t made when the bombing began this week, it was made years ago when Labor backed in AUKUS.

“This is about a lot more than three ADF personnel on one US submarine. Australia has a host of US military bases and deployments, including Pine Gap and multiple RAAF bases open to the US military.

“For the Prime Minister, in the same breath, to admit Australian personnel were serving on the US nuclear submarine when it sank the Iranian frigate and then that Australia is not involved in the war shows how little regard he has for the intelligence of the Australian people.

“The Iranian people have suffered for decades under a brutal regime, they are now suffering under that regime as well as from Israeli and US bombs and missiles.

“The war parties, Labor, Liberal and One Nation have led us down this dangerous path, and the only way back is to end AUKUS and rethink our defence and foreign policy so that we are not a permanent hostage to the US.”
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Reply #73 - Yesterday at 5:50pm
 
Ah yes. Fitting survivors on a submarine and leaving safely, means travelling underwater. Of course they could have tied them to the stanchions. Roll Eyes
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Reply #74 - Yesterday at 5:51pm
 

Hi Sir Crook,

it's another fine mess Albo got us into.
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