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Reply #45 - Mar 2nd, 2026 at 9:36pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2026 at 9:59am:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 2nd, 2026 at 7:46am:
Jasin wrote on Mar 1st, 2026 at 10:58am:
This war is more legal than anything previous Presidents have involved themselves in right back to WW2.

Only the global cowardly faggotry that allows innocent women to be raped around the world would sook about this.



Congress have the power to initiate war not the president, Trumps actions are outside his constitutional power and impeachable. Trump does not have the poswer to legally initiate actions like this without congressional approval via a vote.


No war has been declared.

Other presidents gave bombed countries without congresdiknal aproval.

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/140923160247-bombed-countries-o...




Stephanie Savell (Senior Fellow, Brown University) documents that, between 2021 and 2023, the U.S. government conducted counterterrorism operations in 78 countries. These operations include ground combat in at least nine countries and air strikes in at least four countries during the first three years of the Biden Administration.



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No war has been declared.


Then why does Trump keep calling it war ? He is the guy that initiated it, you would think he would know what he did ?
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Reply #46 - Mar 2nd, 2026 at 9:38pm
 
This could be the first war waged by an ideocratic government.
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Reply #47 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 7:39am
 
'Mr Marles has previously claimed Australia was not warned of the strikes in advance and is not a “central” player in the region.
Despite this, Australia was one of the first countries to expressly support the US actions in Iran'.

Oz is backing the US to win in Greenland and South American oil.
Marles has offered a 10% tariff on the defence budget, payable to White House Inc. Also a month's supply of coal and gas.  Oz will fund a year's medical costs for Trump's disabilities.
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Re: Greens Say No War With Iran
Reply #48 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 8:21am
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 2nd, 2026 at 9:36pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 2nd, 2026 at 9:59am:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 2nd, 2026 at 7:46am:
Jasin wrote on Mar 1st, 2026 at 10:58am:
This war is more legal than anything previous Presidents have involved themselves in right back to WW2.

Only the global cowardly faggotry that allows innocent women to be raped around the world would sook about this.



Congress have the power to initiate war not the president, Trumps actions are outside his constitutional power and impeachable. Trump does not have the poswer to legally initiate actions like this without congressional approval via a vote.


No war has been declared.

Other presidents gave bombed countries without congresdiknal aproval.

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/140923160247-bombed-countries-o...




Stephanie Savell (Senior Fellow, Brown University) documents that, between 2021 and 2023, the U.S. government conducted counterterrorism operations in 78 countries. These operations include ground combat in at least nine countries and air strikes in at least four countries during the first three years of the Biden Administration.



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No war has been declared.


Then why does Trump keep calling it war ? He is the guy that initiated it, you would think he would know what he did ?

He isnt.

He is calling it combat operations. 

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Re: Greens Say No War With Iran
Reply #49 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 8:45am
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 2nd, 2026 at 9:38pm:
This could be the first war waged by an ideocratic government.


They had it in ancient Egypt times already.
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Reply #50 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 8:47am
 
Bush, Clinton, Obama, Biden never needed Congress approval.
Why is it now different for the Lefties, with Trump?
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Reply #51 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 10:22am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 8:47am:
Bush, Clinton, Obama, Biden never needed Congress approval.
Why is it now different for the Lefties, with Trump?


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The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, informally known as the Iraq Resolution, was a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No. 107-243, authorizing the use of the United States Armed Forces against Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist Iraqi government in what would be known as Operation Iraqi Freedom. It was repealed by the National Defense Authorization Act.


Bush war declared by Congress.
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Reply #52 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 10:52am
 
That's 'one'. The rest?
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Reply #53 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 11:14am
 
whiteknight wrote on Mar 1st, 2026 at 8:36am:
illegal war is a clear breach of international law and the prohibition on wars of aggression.

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“Trump and Netanyahu’s illegal attacks last night have unleashed chaos across the Middle East.

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“The Greens condemn these illegal , abhorrent and unilateral attacks. Australians do not want to be dragged into another US-Israeli war.

“Australia’s support of Trump and Netanyahu’sillegal attack last night was disgraceful.

“The Labor government must immediately rule out Australian support for Trump and Netanyahu’s illegal war. No resources. No intelligence. No more cover.

“The Labor government must also confirm to the Australian people that no intelligence from Pine Gap or other US bases in Australia was used last night, and rule out allowing these bases to be used in thisillegal war going forward.



Illegal-schmillegal.
There is a certain type of British parliamentarian for whom the world is not a complex web of shifting allegiances and existential threats, but a neatly ruled jurisdictional straightjacket for the West. To hear Emily Thornberry or the leadership of the Green Party tell it, the recent US and Israeli operations against the Iranian regime are not a necessary excision of a regional cancer, but a simple “breach of international law.” Case closed. Bring in the tea.

The legal case for action against Iran is not merely “arguable”; it is compelling

One expects this kind of reductionism from the protest lines, but it is deeply unsettling to see it calcify into the official posture of a British government. We have reached a bizarre juncture where Whitehall appears to have adopted a black-and-white interpretation of international law that slants so heavily against national freedom of action that it borders on the masochistic.

For centuries, British law was held up as the global paragon – a pragmatic, evolving system that balanced order with the messy reality of human affairs. Yet this government seemingly no longer believes in that legacy. Instead, they treat the UN Charter, and other branches of the international legal apparatus, not as a living contestable framework, but as a suicide pact designed to ensure Western democracies remain politely motionless while their enemies sharpen the blade.

The legal case for action against Iran is not merely “arguable”; it is compelling, both within and without the strictures of the UN Charter.

First, there is the reality of the “Long War.” Since the Ayatollah’s 1979 proclamation of “Death to America,” Iran has been in a state of constant, if unconventional, armed conflict with the West. A state of war does not vanish because there is a temporary lull in the counting of bodies. Through its proxies – Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthis – Tehran has waged a persistent campaign of kinetic aggression. When President Trump listed the decades of attacks, from the 1983 Beirut barracks bombing to the strikes on global shipping, he wasn’t just reminiscing; he was identifying a continuous theatre of operations. British lives lost to Iranian IEDs in Iraq furnish further such sad evidence, as do the many attempted terrorist attacks on our soil, which the Prime Minister referenced. If a conflict is established, the use of force is governed by the laws of war – distinction and proportionality – not the peacetime hurdles of Article 51.

Second, we must address the ticking clock of the Iranian “bomb.” The doctrine of self-defence, under Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, includes the right to pre-empt an imminent and catastrophic threat. To suggest that the US and Israel must wait for a mushroom cloud to appear over Tel Aviv before the law “allows” them to act is a form of legalistic insanity. Negotiations with a regime that views diplomacy as a stalling tactic for enrichment are not a legal barrier to action once it is clear those negotiations have failed.

Finally, there is the moral and legal weight of humanitarian intervention as established in customary law and statecraft. We have seen this before: in Liberia, in the no-fly zones of Iraq, and in Kosovo. In 1999, Tony Blair stood in Chicago and argued that Western democracies have a responsibility to intervene against oppressive regimes. The Iranian people, who have been tortured, slaughtered, and repressed for decades, represent the ultimate “humanitarian distress.”

To hide behind a narrow, 1945-era reading of the UN Charter while a regime exports terror and murders its own children is not “upholding the rule of law.” It is moral cowardice dressed up as jurisprudence. The Prime Minister’s recent, dizzying U-turn on the use of British sovereign bases –previously described by Whitehall as a legal impossibility – has let the cat out of the bag. It confirms that what was presented as “inviolable international law” was, in fact, nothing more than political sophistry designed to delay the inevitable.

It is moral cowardice dressed up as jurisprudence.  The US/Israeli action is both morally justified and legally legitimate.


https://spectator.com/article/international-law-is-not-a-suicide-pact/

Jist so.
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Reply #54 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 11:23am
 
Jasin wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 10:52am:
That's 'one'. The rest?


You want to be wrong more than once ? Wrong is wrong ?
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Reply #55 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 11:26am
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 11:23am:
Jasin wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 10:52am:
That's 'one'. The rest?


You want to be wrong more than once ? Wrong is wrong ?

That doesn't cut it.
Move along, nothing to see.
Trump is right. Iranian citizens are cheering in the streets. Congress left wanting.
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Reply #56 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 12:39pm
 
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Reply #57 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 5:55pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 10:22am:
Jasin wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 8:47am:
Bush, Clinton, Obama, Biden never needed Congress approval.
Why is it now different for the Lefties, with Trump?


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Bush:
The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, informally known as the Iraq Resolution, was a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No. 107-243, authorizing the use of the United States Armed Forces against Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist Iraqi government in what would be known as Operation Iraqi Freedom. It was repealed by the National Defense Authorization Act.


Bush war declared by Congress.



Vietnam, the Big One, wasn't.  Started by Kennedy, a Dem.

Tsk, tsk Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #58 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 6:22pm
 
The Left hide in the shadows now
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Reply #59 - Mar 3rd, 2026 at 6:50pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 5:55pm:
Dnarever wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 10:22am:
Jasin wrote on Mar 3rd, 2026 at 8:47am:
Bush, Clinton, Obama, Biden never needed Congress approval.
Why is it now different for the Lefties, with Trump?


Quote:
Bush:
The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, informally known as the Iraq Resolution, was a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No. 107-243, authorizing the use of the United States Armed Forces against Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist Iraqi government in what would be known as Operation Iraqi Freedom. It was repealed by the National Defense Authorization Act.


Bush war declared by Congress.



Vietnam, the Big One, wasn't.  Started by Kennedy, a Dem.

Tsk, tsk Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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On August 7, 1964, Congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, authorizing President Johnson to take any measures he believed were necessary to retaliate and to promote the maintenance of international peace and security in southeast Asia.


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Vietnam, the Big One, wasn't.


Wrong it was.

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Started by Kennedy, a Dem.


All the way (to Vietnam) with LBJ - Wrong.

You got another double Frank, wrong and wronger. Reminds me of Frank and Jason.

Just keep digging that hole fella's.

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