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Re: Greens Call On Albanese To Cut Ties With Monarchy
Reply #120 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 9:52am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 9:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:30pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:05pm:

As the Greens and other Republicans in our various Parliaments have sworn allegiance to the Monarch, then when they actively engage in public speech against the Monarch then they no longer adhere to their Oath of Allegiance and should immediately resign from Parliament.
To not do so is tantamount to perjury.

Which would mean that Australia could never become a Republic.

Possibly, but are you in favour of perjury and perjurers?
Should people who perjure themselves to get into Parliament be allowed to stay there?
We recently had MsP removed from Parliament because of Dual Citizenship, which in some cases was unknown to the offender at the time of taking the Oath, such cannot be said of Republicans who deliberately break the law.
So why are these criminals not prosecuted?

Are you in favour of criminals being allowed to govern Australia?

They're not breaking the law.

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Re: Greens Call On Albanese To Cut Ties With Monarchy
Reply #121 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 9:53am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:50pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:45pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:42pm:

Not really - but sometimes I wish he would kick out Albo
for mismanaging our finances.

Sure.

So let's get rid of Charles, make the Governor General our Head of State, and give them the power to do that.

Yeah?

What - make an unelected person our head of State?

When was Charles elected?

He wasn’t elected, but then unlike our Republican MsP he didn’t commit perjury to get his position.

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Re: Greens Call On Albanese To Cut Ties With Monarchy
Reply #122 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:00am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 9:52am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 9:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:30pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:05pm:

As the Greens and other Republicans in our various Parliaments have sworn allegiance to the Monarch, then when they actively engage in public speech against the Monarch then they no longer adhere to their Oath of Allegiance and should immediately resign from Parliament.
To not do so is tantamount to perjury.

Which would mean that Australia could never become a Republic.

Possibly, but are you in favour of perjury and perjurers?
Should people who perjure themselves to get into Parliament be allowed to stay there?
We recently had MsP removed from Parliament because of Dual Citizenship, which in some cases was unknown to the offender at the time of taking the Oath, such cannot be said of Republicans who deliberately break the law.
So why are these criminals not prosecuted?

Are you in favour of criminals being allowed to govern Australia?

They're not breaking the law.

They swore allegiance to the Monarchy, to do so is a requirement to sit in Parliament.
They espoused an Australian Republic when they did so, so it was a false oath and doing that is perjury.
Perjury is a crime, people who commit crimes are criminals.

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Re: Greens Call On Albanese To Cut Ties With Monarchy
Reply #123 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:06am

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 9:52am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 9:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:30pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:05pm:

As the Greens and other Republicans in our various Parliaments have sworn allegiance to the Monarch, then when they actively engage in public speech against the Monarch then they no longer adhere to their Oath of Allegiance and should immediately resign from Parliament.
To not do so is tantamount to perjury.

Which would mean that Australia could never become a Republic.

Possibly, but are you in favour of perjury and perjurers?
Should people who perjure themselves to get into Parliament be allowed to stay there?
We recently had MsP removed from Parliament because of Dual Citizenship, which in some cases was unknown to the offender at the time of taking the Oath, such cannot be said of Republicans who deliberately break the law.
So why are these criminals not prosecuted?

Are you in favour of criminals being allowed to govern Australia?

They're not breaking the law.

They swore allegiance to the Monarchy, to do so is a requirement to sit in Parliament.
They espoused an Australian Republic when they did so, so it was a false oath and doing that is perjury.
Perjury is a crime, people who commit crimes are criminals.

Perjury is a criminal offence that involves knowingly making a false statement while under oath in a judicial proceeding (such as in a court or a formal commission of inquiry).

The Oath is Not Evidence: The oath taken by politicians upon entering parliament is a "promissory" oath, not an "assertory" oath (testimony about a past or present fact). Promissory oaths relate to future conduct, whereas perjury relates to lying about facts.

Voluntary Act: Taking the oath is a condition of sitting in Parliament, not a sworn statement that one's personal political views will never change.

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Re: Greens Call On Albanese To Cut Ties With Monarchy
Reply #124 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:41am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:06am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 9:52am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 9:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:30pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:05pm:

As the Greens and other Republicans in our various Parliaments have sworn allegiance to the Monarch, then when they actively engage in public speech against the Monarch then they no longer adhere to their Oath of Allegiance and should immediately resign from Parliament.
To not do so is tantamount to perjury.

Which would mean that Australia could never become a Republic.

Possibly, but are you in favour of perjury and perjurers?
Should people who perjure themselves to get into Parliament be allowed to stay there?
We recently had MsP removed from Parliament because of Dual Citizenship, which in some cases was unknown to the offender at the time of taking the Oath, such cannot be said of Republicans who deliberately break the law.
So why are these criminals not prosecuted?

Are you in favour of criminals being allowed to govern Australia?

They're not breaking the law.

They swore allegiance to the Monarchy, to do so is a requirement to sit in Parliament.
They espoused an Australian Republic when they did so, so it was a false oath and doing that is perjury.
Perjury is a crime, people who commit crimes are criminals.

Perjury is a criminal offence that involves knowingly making a false statement while under oath in a judicial proceeding (such as in a court or a formal commission of inquiry).

The Oath is Not Evidence: The oath taken by politicians upon entering parliament is a "promissory" oath, not an "assertory" oath (testimony about a past or present fact). Promissory oaths relate to future conduct, whereas perjury relates to lying about facts.

Voluntary Act: Taking the oath is a condition of sitting in Parliament, not a sworn statement that one's personal political views will never change.

A very stupid (as to be expected from you) interjection. Oath is not just a judicial proceeding.

Perjury means false oath.

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Re: Greens Call On Albanese To Cut Ties With Monarchy
Reply #125 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:46am

Frank wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:06am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 9:52am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 9:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:30pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:05pm:

As the Greens and other Republicans in our various Parliaments have sworn allegiance to the Monarch, then when they actively engage in public speech against the Monarch then they no longer adhere to their Oath of Allegiance and should immediately resign from Parliament.
To not do so is tantamount to perjury.

Which would mean that Australia could never become a Republic.

Possibly, but are you in favour of perjury and perjurers?
Should people who perjure themselves to get into Parliament be allowed to stay there?
We recently had MsP removed from Parliament because of Dual Citizenship, which in some cases was unknown to the offender at the time of taking the Oath, such cannot be said of Republicans who deliberately break the law.
So why are these criminals not prosecuted?

Are you in favour of criminals being allowed to govern Australia?

They're not breaking the law.

They swore allegiance to the Monarchy, to do so is a requirement to sit in Parliament.
They espoused an Australian Republic when they did so, so it was a false oath and doing that is perjury.
Perjury is a crime, people who commit crimes are criminals.

Perjury is a criminal offence that involves knowingly making a false statement while under oath in a judicial proceeding (such as in a court or a formal commission of inquiry).

The Oath is Not Evidence: The oath taken by politicians upon entering parliament is a "promissory" oath, not an "assertory" oath (testimony about a past or present fact). Promissory oaths relate to future conduct, whereas perjury relates to lying about facts.

Voluntary Act: Taking the oath is a condition of sitting in Parliament, not a sworn statement that one's personal political views will never change.

A very stupid (as to be expected from you) interjection. Oath is not just a judicial proceeding.

Perjury means false oath.

We are talking about the legal definition.

(1) Any person who in or in connection with any judicial proceeding makes any false statement on oath concerning any matter which is material to the proceeding, knowing the statement to be false or not believing it to be true, is guilty of perjury and liable to imprisonment for 10 years.

Under federal law, perjury is governed by Section 35 of the Crimes Act 1914.

CRIMES ACT 1914 - SECT 35

Giving false testimony
(1) A person commits an offence if:

(a) the person gives false testimony touching a matter; and

(b) the person does so:

(i) in a judicial proceeding; or

(ii) with the intention of instituting a judicial proceeding; and

(c) the matter is material in the judicial proceeding; and

(d) the judicial proceeding is a federal judicial proceeding.

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Re: Greens Call On Albanese To Cut Ties With Monarchy
Reply #126 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:52am

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:46am:

Frank wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:41am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:06am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:00am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 9:52am:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 9:50am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:30pm:

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 26^th, 2026 at 6:05pm:

As the Greens and other Republicans in our various Parliaments have sworn allegiance to the Monarch, then when they actively engage in public speech against the Monarch then they no longer adhere to their Oath of Allegiance and should immediately resign from Parliament.
To not do so is tantamount to perjury.

Which would mean that Australia could never become a Republic.

Possibly, but are you in favour of perjury and perjurers?
Should people who perjure themselves to get into Parliament be allowed to stay there?
We recently had MsP removed from Parliament because of Dual Citizenship, which in some cases was unknown to the offender at the time of taking the Oath, such cannot be said of Republicans who deliberately break the law.
So why are these criminals not prosecuted?

Are you in favour of criminals being allowed to govern Australia?

They're not breaking the law.

They swore allegiance to the Monarchy, to do so is a requirement to sit in Parliament.
They espoused an Australian Republic when they did so, so it was a false oath and doing that is perjury.
Perjury is a crime, people who commit crimes are criminals.

Perjury is a criminal offence that involves knowingly making a false statement while under oath in a judicial proceeding (such as in a court or a formal commission of inquiry).

The Oath is Not Evidence: The oath taken by politicians upon entering parliament is a "promissory" oath, not an "assertory" oath (testimony about a past or present fact). Promissory oaths relate to future conduct, whereas perjury relates to lying about facts.

Voluntary Act: Taking the oath is a condition of sitting in Parliament, not a sworn statement that one's personal political views will never change.

A very stupid (as to be expected from you) interjection. Oath is not just a judicial proceeding.

Perjury means false oath.

We are talking about the legal definition.

(1) Any person who in or in connection with any judicial proceeding makes any false statement on oath concerning any matter which is material to the proceeding, knowing the statement to be false or not believing it to be true, is guilty of perjury and liable to imprisonment for 10 years.

Under federal law, perjury is governed by Section 35 of the Crimes Act 1914.

CRIMES ACT 1914 - SECT 35

Giving false testimony
(1) A person commits an offence if:

(a) the person gives false testimony touching a matter; and

(b) the person does so:

(i) in a judicial proceeding; or

(ii) with the intention of instituting a judicial proceeding; and

(c) the matter is material in the judicial proceeding; and

(d) the judicial proceeding is a federal judicial proceeding.

Under federal law, perjury is governed by Section 35 of the Crimes Act 1914.

CRIMES ACT 1914 - SECT 35

Giving false testimony
(1) A person commits an offence if:

(a) the person gives false testimony touching a matter; and

(b) the person does so:

(i) in a judicial proceeding; or

(ii) with the intention of instituting a judicial proceeding; and

(c) the matter is material in the judicial proceeding; and

(d) the judicial proceeding is a federal judicial proceeding.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 57031 Gender:	Re: Greens Call On Albanese To Cut Ties With Monarchy Reply #127 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 11:36am Not all oaths are judicial oaths just becauae some are. An oath of allegiance, a citiznship oath, an oath of office, a military oath - these are not judicial proceedig. Perjury is a false oath.
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Re: Greens Call On Albanese To Cut Ties With Monarchy
Reply #128 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 12:10pm

Frank wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 11:36am:

Not all oaths are judicial oaths just becauae some are.

An oath of allegiance, a citiznship oath, an oath of office, a military oath - these are not judicial proceedig.

Perjury is a false oath.

Amen to that.
Politicians elected to Parliament are required to swear allegiance by the Constitution, the Constitution is Law, therefore when they knowingly swear falsely they break the law and, figuratively, spit in the face of all Australians.

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Reply #129 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 12:14pm

I think the argument for a Republic doesn't even make first base for starters when the excuse is based upon Anti-Monarchy (United Kingdom) and Old World Irish grudge, rather than the Politics of Great Britain.

I think Celebrities and Media should stay out of Politics and just fund Ramsey Street as their own Royal Palace

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Reply #130 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 12:41pm

Sir Eoin O Fada wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 10:00am:

They espoused an Australian Republic when they did so, so it was a false oath and doing that is perjury.
Perjury is a crime, people who commit crimes are criminals.

You want personal loyalty in the manner of Adolf Hitler's troops?
Parliament is forbidden to speak about it?
An actual rebellion was organised in 1999 as a referendum to remove the monarch. The loyal PM was Mr J Howard (Lib. Russia)

..and, figuratively, spit in the face of all Australians...

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Reply #132 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 12:57pm

The Constitution states that 'the provisions of this Act referring to the Queen shall extend to Her Majesty's heirs and successors in the sovereignty of the United Kingdom.'

In 1973, the Royal Titles Act removed that and said the monarch is 'Queen / king of Australia'. The British monarch is dead to Australia and UK is now a foreign country. The parliament spoke, voted and sent the Bill to the Queen's Gov Gen. who joined the rebellion.

A bit late now to start the true faith of loyal servants who die for the emperor, Victoria, empire and St George.
'In Delhi’s Coronation Park on January 1, 1877, the British monarch Queen Victoria (1837-1901) assumed a new title: Qaisar-i Hind, the Empress of India'.

Qaisar is Hindi for 'Caesar'. Caesar of India, by George.

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Reply #133 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 1:21pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 12:14pm:

I think the argument for a Republic doesn't even make first base for starters when the excuse is based upon Anti-Monarchy (United Kingdom) and Old World Irish grudge, rather than the Politics of Great Britain.

I think Celebrities and Media should stay out of Politics and just fund Ramsey Street as their own Royal Palace

But England is not the place of high standards as it once was.
Royalty now is a farce.
None of them come anywhere near Queen Lizzy.

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Re: Greens Call On Albanese To Cut Ties With Monarchy
Reply #134 - Feb 27^th, 2026 at 1:36pm

Jasin wrote on Feb 27^th, 2026 at 12:14pm:

I think the argument for a Republic doesn't even make first base for starters when the excuse is based upon Anti-Monarchy (United Kingdom) and Old World Irish grudge, rather than the Politics of Great Britain.

The king doesn't do politics, Jasin. He does king (or what's left of it after Whitlam, Hawke and Howard).

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