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Reply #30 - Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:10pm

Sophia wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

I agree 100%.

However, that doesn't justify the premeditated killing of restrained prisoners.

There is no crime or person - no matter how evil - that justifies a civilised society lowering themselves to that level.

So only criminals get to kill people? -

the State can't kill them?

Nobody should be committing premeditated killings.

The prisoners in high max security, had a choice to kill or not kill, so I wonder, (even though I reckon they can stay in a miserable cell for life, oh how the days must seem long!) since capital punishment is not within Australian laws, that these prisoners can be given a choice, a pill to end their own life?

That's a very interesting point you've raised.

Plenty of room for debate on that one.

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Reply #31 - Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:15pm

The concept of a prison, gaol or even dungeon was to void all stimulus of life from the criminal over time. Sometimes, the effect of this would KILL off the evil in the person and release was considered.
Slavery was an imprisonment to the extent, but a labour of punishment that at least exposed them to life's stimulus.

Sadly, the idiotic Anti political Left have turned Australian prisons into Hotels with much recreation like raping other prisoners, gyms, basketball, uni degrees and contraband galore.
These are not Prisons. These reward criminals for their evil.

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Reply #32 - Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

I agree 100%.

However, that doesn't justify the premeditated killing of restrained prisoners.

There is no crime or person - no matter how evil - that justifies a civilised society lowering themselves to that level.

So only criminals get to kill people? -

the State can't kill them?

Nobody should be committing premeditated killings.

So you are against euthanasia? Abortion?

In any case, you 'argumemmt' against the deaath penalty is fallacious. You presume, without any justification, that the premise of your stance is beyond dispute, and then you just bang on and on, no matter what.

One of the BEST arguments for the death penalty is that iit takes the offender, his intentions and his act seriously, as an act of an equal who was and is fully in control of his own moral agency, choices and actions. There are well-recognised mitigating circumstances that are recognised as casuing diminished moral responsibility and to act otherwise. But if the capital offence is committed while in ful possession of moral and physical capacity, the death penalty is both necessary and even the only honourable course - honourable towards the victim, society and even the offender.

There is no "BEST argument" for the death penalty in a civilised society.

The premeditated killing of a restrained prisoner is barbaric, and merely lowers the executioners to the same level as that of sociopathic criminals.

So, I can completely understand why you would be in favour of it.

So you oppose euthanasia where the patient is hooked up to a contraption and iss killed in a premeditated manner..

Or Abortion, where a fetus is executed with no recourse to an appeal or even a hearing to start with.

Soldiers are killed in a premeditated manner in war.

Prison is restraining, so you cannot be against just restrainment either.

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Reply #33 - Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:34pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:55pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:45pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:20pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:08pm:

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 2:23pm:

I've long opposed the death penalty - but as I grow older I'm coming to the point of saying that there are some people who do not deserve to be here and are a definite negative ...

I agree 100%.

However, that doesn't justify the premeditated killing of restrained prisoners.

There is no crime or person - no matter how evil - that justifies a civilised society lowering themselves to that level.

So only criminals get to kill people? -

the State can't kill them?

Nobody should be committing premeditated killings.

So you are against euthanasia? Abortion?

In any case, you 'argumemmt' against the deaath penalty is fallacious. You presume, without any justification, that the premise of your stance is beyond dispute, and then you just bang on and on, no matter what.

One of the BEST arguments for the death penalty is that iit takes the offender, his intentions and his act seriously, as an act of an equal who was and is fully in control of his own moral agency, choices and actions. There are well-recognised mitigating circumstances that are recognised as casuing diminished moral responsibility and to act otherwise. But if the capital offence is committed while in ful possession of moral and physical capacity, the death penalty is both necessary and even the only honourable course - honourable towards the victim, society and even the offender.

There is no "BEST argument" for the death penalty in a civilised society.

The premeditated killing of a restrained prisoner is barbaric, and merely lowers the executioners to the same level as that of sociopathic criminals.

So, I can completely understand why you would be in favour of it.

So you oppose euthanasia where the patient is hooked up to a contraption and iss killed in a premeditated manner..

Or Abortion, where a fetus is executed with no recourse to an appeal or even a hearing to start with.

Soldiers are killed in a premeditated manner in war.

Prison is restraining, so you cannot be against just restrainment either.

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy Wink

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Reply #35 - Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:08pm

Welcome to the 21st Century:-

Punks trying to 'make their bones' by kidnapping an old man and leaving him dead.

Idiots threatening to blow up Albo.

Threats against politicians on the rise.

Wars and rumours of wars.

Killers in Bondi.

Piss weak politicians leading them to believe it was sanctioned.

I say life without... if they give up their accomplices.. we'll put twenty-five to life on the table.. possibility of parole in twenty depending on how directly culpable they were in his death... to be served in max ... no Club Fed for these types...

Not as easy as the internet, is it, boys?

.. my Fellow Australians... I am now officially an 'old man' .... and I can assure you that such an elder citizen as the victim here would have been appreciating every minute of every day of his life - a life brutally cut short by incompetent and frankly stupid criminals..... it is my unshakeable determination to see justice done..... and for the internet to be placed under proper controls....... we all know, from long ago - thatChina cut out many Western sites... that public hospitals do the same...... we all know we have the means... we have the technology.... all we need is the determination to set in place proper boundaires on the internet - and never more so than in this day of the instant growth of AI with all its possibility for falsehood and theft ...

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Re: 85 yr old kidnapped man, Chris Baghsarian, dead.
Reply #36 - Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:19pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy Wink

As I said, low-brow union functionary with an education fetish on the basis of your Cert IV in OH&S and all-round, full time dishonest slime ball:

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In any case, you 'argumemmt' against the deaath penalty is fallacious. You presume, without any justification, that the premise of your stance is beyond dispute, and then you just bang on and on, no matter what.

fallacy /ˈfaləsi/ noun

1. a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound arguments

Word Origin
late 15th century (in the sense ‘deception, guile’; gradually superseding Middle English fallace): from Latin fallacia, from fallax, fallac- ‘deceiving’, from fallere ‘deceive’.

It's your middle, first and last name - deceptive creep.

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Reply #37 - Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:50pm

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy Wink

As I said, low-brow union functionary with an education fetish on the basis of your Cert IV in OH&S and all-round, full time dishonest slime ball:

Quote:

In any case, you 'argumemmt' against the deaath penalty is fallacious. You presume, without any justification, that the premise of your stance is beyond dispute, and then you just bang on and on, no matter what.

fallacy /ˈfaləsi/ noun

1. a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound arguments

Word Origin
late 15th century (in the sense ‘deception, guile’; gradually superseding Middle English fallace): from Latin fallacia, from fallax, fallac- ‘deceiving’, from fallere ‘deceive’.

It's your middle, first and last name - deceptive creep.

I think the state-sanctioned, premeditated killing of restrained prisoners is wrong.

You don't.

Such is life.

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Reply #38 - Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy Wink

As I said, low-brow union functionary with an education fetish on the basis of your Cert IV in OH&S and all-round, full time dishonest slime ball:

Quote:

In any case, you 'argumemmt' against the deaath penalty is fallacious. You presume, without any justification, that the premise of your stance is beyond dispute, and then you just bang on and on, no matter what.

fallacy /ˈfaləsi/ noun

1. a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound arguments

Word Origin
late 15th century (in the sense ‘deception, guile’; gradually superseding Middle English fallace): from Latin fallacia, from fallax, fallac- ‘deceiving’, from fallere ‘deceive’.

It's your middle, first and last name - deceptive creep.

I think the state-sanctioned, premeditated killing of restrained prisoners is wrong.

You don't.

Such is life.

Is it wrong for the police to shoot dead a criminal who is mudering people, say, in a mass shooting situation?

He isn't restrained yet killing him is done, lawfully and nobody kvetches about it. He is shot dead and deserves to be.

But capturing him, trying him, convicting him and THEN shooting him is 'wrong' somehow.

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Reply #39 - Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:19pm

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy Wink

As I said, low-brow union functionary with an education fetish on the basis of your Cert IV in OH&S and all-round, full time dishonest slime ball:

Quote:

In any case, you 'argumemmt' against the deaath penalty is fallacious. You presume, without any justification, that the premise of your stance is beyond dispute, and then you just bang on and on, no matter what.

fallacy /ˈfaləsi/ noun

1. a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound arguments

Word Origin
late 15th century (in the sense ‘deception, guile’; gradually superseding Middle English fallace): from Latin fallacia, from fallax, fallac- ‘deceiving’, from fallere ‘deceive’.

It's your middle, first and last name - deceptive creep.

I think the state-sanctioned, premeditated killing of restrained prisoners is wrong.

You don't.

Such is life.

Is it wrong for the police to shoot dead a criminal who is mudering people, say, in a mass shooting situation?

He isn't restrained yet killing him is done, lawfully and nobody kvetches about it. He is shot dead and deserves to be.

But capturing him, trying him, convicting him and THEN shooting him is 'wrong' somehow.

Correct.

See if you can figure out why.

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Reply #40 - Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:19pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy Wink

As I said, low-brow union functionary with an education fetish on the basis of your Cert IV in OH&S and all-round, full time dishonest slime ball:

Quote:

In any case, you 'argumemmt' against the deaath penalty is fallacious. You presume, without any justification, that the premise of your stance is beyond dispute, and then you just bang on and on, no matter what.

fallacy /ˈfaləsi/ noun

1. a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound arguments

Word Origin
late 15th century (in the sense ‘deception, guile’; gradually superseding Middle English fallace): from Latin fallacia, from fallax, fallac- ‘deceiving’, from fallere ‘deceive’.

It's your middle, first and last name - deceptive creep.

I think the state-sanctioned, premeditated killing of restrained prisoners is wrong.

You don't.

Such is life.

Is it wrong for the police to shoot dead a criminal who is mudering people, say, in a mass shooting situation?

He isn't restrained yet killing him is done, lawfully and nobody kvetches about it. He is shot dead and deserves to be.

But capturing him, trying him, convicting him and THEN shooting him is 'wrong' somehow.

Correct.

See if you can figure out why.

You are not standing on undisputed ground, lying creep, that everyone else must figure out.

You must explain your disputed grounds.

Being educated all the way to Cert iV you should know that much.

We aren't all as stupid and dishonest and incoherent as you so do not make assumptions in those directions.

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Reply #41 - Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:39pm

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:28pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:19pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 8:18pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 7:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 5:19pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 4:42pm:

Oh dear.

You really are struggling to come up with anything relevant on this subject.

Keep erecting those strawmen, old boy Wink

As I said, low-brow union functionary with an education fetish on the basis of your Cert IV in OH&S and all-round, full time dishonest slime ball:

Quote:

In any case, you 'argumemmt' against the deaath penalty is fallacious. You presume, without any justification, that the premise of your stance is beyond dispute, and then you just bang on and on, no matter what.

fallacy /ˈfaləsi/ noun

1. a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound arguments

Word Origin
late 15th century (in the sense ‘deception, guile’; gradually superseding Middle English fallace): from Latin fallacia, from fallax, fallac- ‘deceiving’, from fallere ‘deceive’.

It's your middle, first and last name - deceptive creep.

I think the state-sanctioned, premeditated killing of restrained prisoners is wrong.

You don't.

Such is life.

Is it wrong for the police to shoot dead a criminal who is mudering people, say, in a mass shooting situation?

He isn't restrained yet killing him is done, lawfully and nobody kvetches about it. He is shot dead and deserves to be.

But capturing him, trying him, convicting him and THEN shooting him is 'wrong' somehow.

Correct.

See if you can figure out why.

You are not standing on undisputed ground, lying creep, that everyone else must figure out.

You must explain your disputed grounds.

Being educated all the way to Cert iV you should know that much.

We aren't all as stupid and dishonest and incoherent as you so do not make assumptions in those directions.

Put down the bottle of Jameson, get some sleep, and I'm sure you'll figure it out in the morning.

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Reply #43 - Feb 25^th, 2026 at 9:13pm

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:18pm:

One of them is a chunky swarthy
https://x.com/NoticerNews/status/2026475302919221484

The other is a skinny whitey

https://x.com/NoticerNews/status/2026475302919221484

So a fat wog and a skinny bogan, likely hired by the Alammedin gangster family, insh'allah.

Both with seemingly Anglo Saxon names. But who knows what their heritage could be, part this, that, and the other.

“Gerard Andrews, 29, and Daniel Stevens, 24”

https://apple.news/AMiEu3L0uTACSIh1YaPXVUQ

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Reply #44 - Feb 25^th, 2026 at 9:34pm

Sophia wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 9:13pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 25^th, 2026 at 3:18pm:

One of them is a chunky swarthy
https://x.com/NoticerNews/status/2026475302919221484

The other is a skinny whitey

https://x.com/NoticerNews/status/2026475302919221484

So a fat wog and a skinny bogan, likely hired by the Alammedin gangster family, insh'allah.

Both with seemingly Anglo Saxon names. But who knows what their heritage could be, part this, that, and the other.

“Gerard Andrews, 29, and Daniel Stevens, 24”

https://apple.news/AMiEu3L0uTACSIh1YaPXVUQ

Lol

Frank's not gonna like that.

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