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Reply #90 - Mar 1st, 2026 at 7:03pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 1st, 2026 at 6:34pm:
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My question?

What do the terms  "aggregate demand' and 'aggregate supply'  mean, in macroeconomics.

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Wow. possibly no validity? Grin Grin Grin Grin


Just as I expected   - you can't even comprehend the answer as given ie "no consensus on it's validity" which you changed (in your ideologically crippled brain) to " possibly NO validity.

My  task - re the "intense debate among economists" - is to establish its validity via reason and first principles as presented by a large school of heterodox  economists (see the MMT thread);  yours is to  defend the Neoclassical 'money scarcity'/'taxpayer money' delusions.

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So nothing to do with your unique tax deductions. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Er...MMT posits that taxes - and unique tax benefits - are not required to fund  a money issuer. 

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Why don't you want to tell us that question?


Careful - you are compounding error upon error; what happened to your research 
on the question you asked me to supply (which I dutifully did),  for you to test in the AI model of your choice?


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Reply #91 - Mar 1st, 2026 at 8:33pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 1st, 2026 at 7:03pm:
you can't even comprehend the answer as given ie "no consensus on it's validity" which you changed (in your ideologically crippled brain) to " possibly NO validity.



So no consensus on its validity mean it is definitely valid in some way? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 1st, 2026 at 7:03pm:
Er...MMT posits that taxes - and unique tax benefits - are not required to fund  a money issuer. 


That was not your argument. You stated that Australian landlords had "unique tax benefits". Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 1st, 2026 at 7:03pm:
Careful - you are compounding error upon error; what happened to your research
on the question you asked me to supply (which I dutifully did),  for you to test in the AI model of your choice?


No I asked you to do it. You didn't. You were "too busy". Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

So you haven't proven that AI knows anything, it merely quotes from other web pages. That is not intelligent.

If every model is intelligent why do models get it wrong?

I did ask you your question on Australia's "unique tax benefits", which you have signally failed to do.
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Reply #92 - Mar 2nd, 2026 at 5:04am
 
I've been noticing a few tiny little shifts in the dispensation of 'knowledge' - clearly influenced by whoever is paid to input this stuff to the AInet.

It is inevitable that like Wikipedia and other sources of raw data, bias and such will creep in - and who would not feel the very real fear that most of those doing this 'work' are going to be the Alleged Woke in their mental and psychiatric slumber, and even those with an absolute bias, such as the sheep thinkers of the world who think they think but only do so as a group?  Some such will even be DEIs so as to 'give a broader outlook' and 'interpretation' of 'knowledge'.

I warned you of Garbage in = Garbage Out ... and this AI madness is THE most likely thing to bring about mass indoctrination, given its birthplace in the social media, which already are becoming twisted beyond belief in the style of 'thinking' being put about as the New Reality.

I told you so..... been warning you accurately for years now about what will BE wrong and used to create wrong....

Knowledge and Understanding - the Last Frontiers.
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Reply #93 - Yesterday at 5:03pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 1st, 2026 at 8:33pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Mar 1st, 2026 at 7:03pm:
you can't even comprehend the answer as given ie "no consensus on it's validity" which you changed (in your ideologically crippled brain) to " possibly NO validity.



So no consensus on its validity mean it is definitely valid in some way? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


It means it may be valid, a  possibility you are not even prepared to contemplate.

I have explained how the mainstream objection to treasury-issued money (to avoid taxing or borrowing from the private sector),  ie. inflation,  can be managed with AI- assisted government enabled to calculate the aggregate supply and aggregate demand of every individual  producer and consumer in the economy on an ongoing basis.

But you are too mentally incompetent to even test what YOUR preferred AI model says  about aggregate supply/demand.

Hopeless.      

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That was not your argument. You stated that Australian landlords had "unique tax benefits". Roll Eyes


They do, confirmed by AI; but treasury-issued money  frees government from taxing anyone. 


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No I asked you to do it.


You asked me to confirm whether AI defines aggregate demand /supply?

I already know what those terms mean, as confirmed by AI; obviously YOU need to produce an AI definition refuting the definition I already quoted, because you will simply deny the validity of any AI assisted answer I give.

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So you haven't proven that AI knows anything, it merely quotes from other web pages. That is not intelligent.


Yet aggregate supply/demand are terms with meaning, which AI is capable of defining. 

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If every model is intelligent why do models get it wrong?


Your error: you are confusing oppositional views - eg MMT is valid or invalid,  with facts  such as 1+1=2, or  the meaning/defintion  of eg aggregate demand/supply, both of which are facts not subject to oppositional views.

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I did ask you your question on Australia's "unique tax benefits", which you have signally failed to do.


Did you miss it? AI answered that question, along with most mainstream (and heterodox) economists who confirm those benefits,  even pointing to the culprit, namely one John Howard.

That's what AI does; it  assembles all the knowledge available to it on the internet's vast data-sets, and makes conclusions.

On facts, definitions and opinions.


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Re: what does AI know?
Reply #94 - Yesterday at 5:19pm
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2nd, 2026 at 5:04am:
I've been noticing a few tiny little shifts in the dispensation of 'knowledge' - clearly influenced by whoever is paid to input this stuff to the AInet.

It is inevitable that like Wikipedia and other sources of raw data, bias and such will creep in - and who would not feel the very real fear that most of those doing this 'work' are going to be the Alleged Woke in their mental and psychiatric slumber, and even those with an absolute bias, such as the sheep thinkers of the world who think they think but only do so as a group?  Some such will even be DEIs so as to 'give a broader outlook' and 'interpretation' of 'knowledge'.

I warned you of Garbage in = Garbage Out ... and this AI madness is THE most likely thing to bring about mass indoctrination, given its birthplace in the social media, which already are becoming twisted beyond belief in the style of 'thinking' being put about as the New Reality.

I told you so..... been warning you accurately for years now about what will BE wrong and used to create wrong....

Knowledge and Understanding - the Last Frontiers.


I'm not surprised you AI-doubters support  dummies like Thatcher ("other people's money") and our very own Pauline, to save us all...

In fact,  the issue raising alarm among AI developers themselves is not whether AI is useful or not, it's the stance of the individual developer re the capacity of AI to hinder or aid human progress, and the guard rails needed to ensure the latter.
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Reply #95 - Yesterday at 8:03pm
 

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Re: what does AI know?
Reply #96 - Yesterday at 8:07pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 5:19pm:
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote on Mar 2nd, 2026 at 5:04am:
I've been noticing a few tiny little shifts in the dispensation of 'knowledge' - clearly influenced by whoever is paid to input this stuff to the AInet.

It is inevitable that like Wikipedia and other sources of raw data, bias and such will creep in - and who would not feel the very real fear that most of those doing this 'work' are going to be the Alleged Woke in their mental and psychiatric slumber, and even those with an absolute bias, such as the sheep thinkers of the world who think they think but only do so as a group?  Some such will even be DEIs so as to 'give a broader outlook' and 'interpretation' of 'knowledge'.

I warned you of Garbage in = Garbage Out ... and this AI madness is THE most likely thing to bring about mass indoctrination, given its birthplace in the social media, which already are becoming twisted beyond belief in the style of 'thinking' being put about as the New Reality.

I told you so..... been warning you accurately for years now about what will BE wrong and used to create wrong....

Knowledge and Understanding - the Last Frontiers.


I'm not surprised you AI-doubters support  dummies like Thatcher ("other people's money") and our very own Pauline, to save us all...

In fact,  the issue raising alarm among AI developers themselves is not whether AI is useful or not, it's the stance of the individual developer re the capacity of AI to hinder or aid human progress, and the guard rails needed to ensure the latter.



Go back to sleep Skynet.  You're prattling.
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Re: what does AI know?
Reply #97 - Yesterday at 8:19pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 5:03pm:
It means it may be valid, a  possibility you are not even prepared to contemplate.


lee wrote on Mar 1st, 2026 at 6:34pm:
Wow. possibly no validity?



What did you not understand about the comment? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 5:03pm:
I have explained how the mainstream objection to treasury-issued money (to avoid taxing or borrowing from the private sector),  ie. inflation,  can be managed with AI- assisted government enabled to calculate the aggregate supply and aggregate demand of every individual  producer and consumer in the economy on an ongoing basis.



And NOTHING to do with MMT possibly having NO validity. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 5:03pm:
They do, confirmed by AI; but treasury-issued money  frees government from taxing anyone. 


So exactly what are these "unique tax benefits"? Why does google AI not  give the source of its "data"? Roll Eyesthegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 5:03pm:
Did you miss it? AI answered that question, along with most mainstream (and heterodox) economists who confirm those benefits,  even pointing to the culprit, namely one John Howard.


From whence did that "data"  come? Remember AI cannot, as of now, think for itself.

"Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt Warns AI Could Think For Itself In Four Years at Harvard Talk"

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/12/2/google-ceo-ai-self-improvement/

That's 2029.

So how exactly did AI answer the question? Roll Eyes
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Reply #98 - Today at 8:46am
 
Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote Yesterday at 8:07pm:
I warned you of Garbage in = Garbage Out ... and this AI madness is THE most likely thing to bring about mass indoctrination, given its birthplace in the social media, which already are becoming twisted beyond belief in the style of 'thinking' being put about as the New Reality.


Mass indoctrination?....when you think that government is the problem - a widely disseminated view on social media. The thing about social media, enabled by the internet, is ALL views are presented.

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Knowledge and Understanding - the Last Frontiers.


(Fortune)

OpenAI investor Vinod Khosla believes AI will be able to do 80% of all jobs by 2030. Here’s how life could be affordable after mass unemployment

Vinod Khosla has been thinking about artificial intelligence longer than most, and betting on it longer than almost anyone. The legendary venture capitalist who scored a 2,500x return with Juniper Networks and became the first institutional investor in OpenAI—wiring in $50 million at a $1 billion valuation—has a message for anyone fretting about AI taking their job: That’s probably going to happen, but it ultimately can be a good thing.​


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Go back to sleep Skynet.  You're prattling.


Don't you feel silly now, in light of the above?

btw do you agree with our resident dummy lee that rent-seekers don't have unique tax advantages in Oz, courtesy of John Howard, despite the fact economists of all stripes  agree they do?


...One of the few things economists DO agree on.....




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Reply #99 - Today at 9:29am
 
lee wrote Yesterday at 8:19pm:
TGD:I have explained how the mainstream objection to treasury-issued money (to avoid taxing or borrowing from the private sector),  ie. inflation,  can be managed with AI- assisted government enabled to calculate the aggregate supply and aggregate demand of every individual  producer and consumer in the economy on an ongoing basis.

And NOTHING to do with MMT possibly having NO validity. Roll Eyes


But everything to do with building and ensuring housing for all, if treasury-issued money CAN fund it without government needing 'taxpayer money'.   

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So exactly what are these "unique tax benefits"? Why does google AI not  give the source of its "data"? Roll Eyes


Dummy: the source of google-AI is the vast data store available to google on the internet.  Yes, google AI, like Grok and all the other AI agents,  might filter this vast data store according to their preferred guidelines, but the store is yours to explore on all AI models, to perceive any biases.

However they will all confirm that 1+1 = 2..... and define "aggregate supply"...

What to make of those facts is another question.

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From whence did that "data"  come? Remember AI cannot, as of now, think for itself.


From every source which has made it's way onto the internet, ie, almost the total of all recorded human knowledge - eg including  the opinion of the investor mentioned in my previous post, who reckons AI might be a good thng despite the elimination of 80% of current jobs.

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"Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt Warns AI Could Think For Itself In Four Years at Harvard Talk"

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/12/2/google-ceo-ai-self-improvement/

That's 2029.

So how exactly did AI answer the question? Roll Eyes


You don't know how to google?

AI Overview

Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt warned at a Harvard Kennedy School forum that AI is on a path toward autonomous "recursive self-improvement" within four years. He emphasized that this development will require urgent, new safety limits due to the potential dangers of AI learning on its own.

Key Takeaways from the Talk:

Timeline for Autonomy: Schmidt predicted that AI could potentially "think" for itself or engage in self-learning within four years.

Need for Safeguards: He stated that as AI advances, humanity will need to "raise their hand and say, 'We just went too far. There's too much danger here'".

Definition of Danger: Schmidt highlighted that while AI does not currently "learn on its own" (recursive self-improvement), the path toward it requires proactive management.

This warning adds to ongoing discussions about the rapid progression of AI and its potential to act independently.


So there are 2 comments on AI (including the quote in my previous post): both acknowledge the fact of AI "learnng",  and the need for guidlines set by humans, like a teacher in a schoolroom setting guidlines for students.   





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Reply #100 - Today at 12:48pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote Today at 9:29am:
But everything to do with building and ensuring housing for all, if treasury-issued money CAN fund it without government needing 'taxpayer money'.   


And again that wasn't your argument. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 9:29am:
Dummy: the source of google-AI is the vast data store available to google on the internet.  Yes, google AI, like Grok and all the other AI agents,  might filter this vast data store according to their preferred guidelines, but the store is yours to explore on all AI models, to perceive any biases.


Yes. But you only ever quote ONE, and that one doesn't reveal its sources. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 9:29am:
From every source which has made it's way onto the internet, ie, almost the total of all recorded human knowledge - eg including  the opinion of the investor mentioned in my previous post, who reckons AI might be a good thng despite the elimination of 80% of current jobs.


Might be a good thing?  Grin Grin Grin Grin

All recorded human knowledge includes many things that "just ain't so" Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 9:29am:
Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt warned at a Harvard Kennedy School forum that AI is on a path toward autonomous "recursive self-improvement" within four years. He emphasized that this development will require urgent, new safety limits due to the potential dangers of AI learning on its own.



So he did say it, along with riders about its safety to "think". And that is all down to biases of their respective creators and their learning systems.

BTW - You still haven't given us the question you asked google AI about Australia's "unique tax deductions". Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 9:29am:
So there are 2 comments on AI (including the quote in my previous post): both acknowledge the fact of AI "learnng",  and the need for guidlines set by humans, like a teacher in a schoolroom setting guidlines for students.   



Yes, but "learning" is not the same as thinking for itself. Wink

Like a teacher in a classroom teaching Global warming due to CO2. UNLESS they give weight to other theories, it doesn't improve "learning". Wink
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Reply #101 - Today at 1:17pm
 
lee wrote Today at 12:48pm:
thegreatdivide wrote Today at 9:29am:
But everything to do with building and ensuring housing for all, if treasury-issued money CAN fund it without government needing 'taxpayer money'.   


And again that wasn't your argument. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 9:29am:
Dummy: the source of google-AI is the vast data store available to google on the internet.  Yes, google AI, like Grok and all the other AI agents,  might filter this vast data store according to their preferred guidelines, but the store is yours to explore on all AI models, to perceive any biases.


Yes. But you only ever quote ONE, and that one doesn't reveal its sources. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 9:29am:
From every source which has made it's way onto the internet, ie, almost the total of all recorded human knowledge - eg including  the opinion of the investor mentioned in my previous post, who reckons AI might be a good thng despite the elimination of 80% of current jobs.


Might be a good thing?  Grin Grin Grin Grin

All recorded human knowledge includes many things that "just ain't so" Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 9:29am:
Former Google CEO Eric Schmidt warned at a Harvard Kennedy School forum that AI is on a path toward autonomous "recursive self-improvement" within four years. He emphasized that this development will require urgent, new safety limits due to the potential dangers of AI learning on its own.



So he did say it, along with riders about its safety to "think". And that is all down to biases of their respective creators and their learning systems.

BTW - You still haven't given us the question you asked google AI about Australia's "unique tax deductions". Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote Today at 9:29am:
So there are 2 comments on AI (including the quote in my previous post): both acknowledge the fact of AI "learnng",  and the need for guidlines set by humans, like a teacher in a schoolroom setting guidlines for students.   



Yes, but "learning" is not the same as thinking for itself. Wink

Like a teacher in a classroom teaching Global warming due to CO2. UNLESS they give weight to other theories, it doesn't improve "learning". Wink


Dont' bother too much with  TGD - he simplyrabbits the same tripe over and over, never supports anything, and assumes that everyone else follows specific lines of thought etc and only he - the greatest Ayatollah of OzPol, actually know anything and everything.

Just yesterday he stated frimly - without a single shred of doundations, that I had long supported the Thatcherite comment about 'other people's money' and he rants forever about how to improve the world without once providing a single answer.  Never taken that stance in my life.

Just accept that he is either a robot or the human equivalent - some sort of autistic person endlessly spouting the approved platitudes.  some say he Chinee, talk like true followah of Party and Great Leader canno' do wrong!!

Which ever it is - he don't know poo and is not worth your trouble.  All you'll get is the same rot over and over.

Now then dividie - whendo you propose to go out there in Aboland and sell them this obligation of theirs to go to a job and earn for a living after being handed non-existent jobs?

When are you going to address their cultural killing of women, abuse and neglect of kids, raising kids to BE criminals then whining about the results, their endless in-fighting and petty group wars, their persistence with fabrications about some Golden Age when they battled to stay alive beside a filthy creek and on an unbalanced diet and their kids died like flies while they fended off the next group to come over the hill with a different language etc ... and all the rest?
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Reply #102 - Today at 1:21pm
 
" but the store is yours to explore on all AI models, to perceive any biases. "

Now that has to go down in history as the most naive or self-servng comment of all time.... what kid entering into this massively dangerous world of AI has any idea how to discriminate between truth and lies?

Clearly YOU, as a bot or human equivalent, are part of the problem, Flynet.

Whose agenda are you serving?  Be honest... we'll only hang you as a traitor once....

Mass indoctrination?....when you think that government is the problem - a widely disseminated view on social media. The thing about social media, enabled by the internet, is ALL views are presented.

Indeed - so that those little kids carefully indoctrinated from pre-school these days and over the pastthirty + years, will latch on to and find 'validation' for the ones they are told will be right and proper.  There are some things that should be kept OUT of public viewing unless it is within the confines of asylums.

How do you imagine ball-cutting and promoting the global wars of ayatollahs and the like became the vogue?  Becasue people are terrific at working out reality from bullshit?
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