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Feb 20th, 2026 at 8:57am
 
Housing now an investor’s playground   Sad
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New analysis today by ACOSS shows property investors are buying almost twice as many homes as first-home buyers, thanks to government tax breaks.

The analysis shows that the average property investor loan is around $100,000 larger than the average loan taken out by a first-home buyer, which guarantees investors a leg up at auctions.

The Greens say Labor’s tax breaks are directly responsible for investor advantage and have effectively created an investor playground that leaves first-home buyers behind.

Lines attributable to Greens spokesperson for finance, housing and homelessness Senator Barbara Pocock:

“Australia’s housing market has become an investor’s playground.

“Every time you crunch the numbers it gets worse and worse and that’s because of Labor.

“It’s no wonder that property investors bought twice as many homes as first-home buyers in the most recent December 2025 quarter.

“Labor’s tax breaks are directly responsible for investor advantage, giving first-home buyers no chance at auctions.

“It’s shameful that in the midst of a housing crisis, property investors get to treat the housing market like a game of monopoly, while first-home buyers and renters sigh in disbelief.

“The CGT discount and negative gearing are pushing up house prices, leaving renters and first-home buyers behind.

“Labor cares more about rewarding property investors with tax breaks than it does about building good quality homes at prices people can actually afford to rent or buy.

“The government must scrap the tax breaks for wealthy property investors. Labor has an opportunity to fix the housing crisis — but if they keep dodging real reform, they’ll lock a whole generation out of ever owning a home.”
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Reply #1 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 10:05am
 
THAT, my son is the entire game - to create a new class of over-heeled with all benefits and a set of classes below struggling to get by.  NOTHING has changed about the tax concessions all ways, nothing has changed about the banks' infinite preference for a 'business plan' that never goes broke since it cannot get sick or divorced or injured at work or becoe uemployed or in an accident or suffer any other catastrophe while literally living on the bread-line one pay away from disaster, instead of lending for HOMES to people who can scarcely keep up with rent and thus can't compete with the vultures for a HOME.

The fact that 'investors' pay a higher rate of interest means that those who are not vultures find it even harder to compete because they have to pay higher rent, and still pay the costs that prevent them BUYING their own Home.

THIS IS DELIBERATE POLICY, AND ACCOMPANIED WITH MASS IMMIGRATION HAS THE CLEAR AIM OF REDUCING THE PEASANTRY UNDER THE DESPOTISM OF NEO-POVERTY SO AS TO FACILITATE THE RISE OF THE NEO-FEUDAL LORDS AND LADIES, many of whom come from cultures you wouldn't spit on.

Let them eat cake... if you haven't woken up to that by now, you never will - and the most complicit party is the beloved New Labor that stole the last election from the people and looks likely to do it again in Victoria despite One Nation having a larger share of first preference votes.

You all know by now that forced preferential voting removes from the voter the inalienable right to dictate who they vote for - and you reckon this is a democracy.

Short of a major revolution of the REAL people - not the brain-dead inbreds out there with their intifada and jihad stupidity - there is no real hope for Australia - only looming disaster.

As Orwell said - 'the only hope lies with the proles' - most of whom are asleep at the wheel.... trapped in a cage and desperate .... that's the way to keep them!!
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Reply #2 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 11:09am
 
"now"
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Reply #3 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 11:43am
 
Did this "investigation" proceed beyond the doors of the Greens media department?
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-13/enviornment-and-corruption-concerns-raise...

“ The former Supreme Court judge said it was "deceitful" to suggest the laws related only to housing.

"Over the last 20 years, we have seen in NSW numerous examples of very serious corrupt conduct involving developers and others, interacting improperly with government ministers or senior officials to corruptly line their pockets," he said.”

I wonder if his referring to  “Seriously corrupt “ Glady government or Kristina  “ mean girl “ Keneally “most corrupt government since the rum rebellion “or perhaps both?

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Reply #5 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 12:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 11:43am:
Did this "investigation" proceed beyond the doors of the Greens media department?


Well,  Menzies had a nation of home owners, NOT renters, in mind - in a scenario of stable housing prices.
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Reply #6 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 12:19pm
 
Daves2017 wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 11:56am:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-13/enviornment-and-corruption-concerns-raise...

“ The former Supreme Court judge said it was "deceitful" to suggest the laws related only to housing.

"Over the last 20 years, we have seen in NSW numerous examples of very serious corrupt conduct involving developers and others, interacting improperly with government ministers or senior officials to corruptly line their pockets," he said.”

I wonder if his referring to  “Seriously corrupt “ Glady government or Kristina  “ mean girl “ Keneally “most corrupt government since the rum rebellion “or perhaps both?

Does  One Nation have a housing policy?


Yes: get rid of the tax breaks for rent-seeking investors, and rebuild the nation's public housing stock, since private housing is now unaffordable for workers on the average wage.
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Reply #7 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 12:21pm
 
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Yes: get rid of the tax breaks for rent-seeking investors


What tax breaks do housing investors get that other investors don't?

Do you think rent will get cheaper if you do this?
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Reply #8 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 12:44pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 12:19pm:
Yes: get rid of the tax breaks for rent-seeking investors, and rebuild the nation's public housing stock, since private housing is now unaffordable for workers on the average wage.


Please give us all these "tax breaks", you know nothing to do with expenses or any of that rot. Roll Eyes
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Reply #9 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 1:15pm
 
It's just another mindless Greens class warfare policy dressed up as something new. If it was actually implemented it would harm the most disadvantaged Australians, not help them.
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Reply #10 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 1:46pm
 
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Reply #11 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:07pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 12:21pm:
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Yes: get rid of the tax breaks for rent-seeking investors


What tax breaks do housing investors get that other investors don't?


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Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability. Key exclusive tax breaks include claiming building depreciation, structural improvements, and significant, non-cash tax deductions

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Do you think rent will get cheaper if you do this?


Not in the private housing market, no.



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Reply #12 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 1:15pm:
It's just another mindless Greens class warfare policy dressed up as something new. If it was actually implemented it would harm the most disadvantaged Australians, not help them.


No.

The Greens want to rebuild public housing; they are aware that decades of Thatcherite 'small government'  Neoliberalism has destroyed the 'Oz Dream' caused by encouraging housing as an investment vehicle for rent-seekers, rather than by maintaining affordable housing to live in. 
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Reply #13 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:23pm
 
It is all caused by the policies of successive Govts:

(1) mass uncontrolled immigration of millions of people when there was no proper housing for them.

(2) failure to train enough house builders.

(3) Capital gains tax advantages for investors + negative gearing.

(4) excessive red tape and charges when building houses.



That's what happens when you have a Uniparty -
a one party State with 2 branches: Labor and Liberal.
The phoney preferential voting system helps them win again and again.

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Reply #14 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 4:09pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:07pm:
Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability.


So they can claim expenses against their investment. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #15 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 6:10pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:07pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 12:21pm:
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Yes: get rid of the tax breaks for rent-seeking investors


What tax breaks do housing investors get that other investors don't?


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Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability. Key exclusive tax breaks include claiming building depreciation, structural improvements, and significant, non-cash tax deductions

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Do you think rent will get cheaper if you do this?


Not in the private housing market, no.


Do you actually think negative gearing is unique to housing investors? Or did you type 'google' to indicate you have no idea what you are on about and are googling it for the first time?
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lee wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 4:09pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:07pm:
Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability.


So they can claim expenses against their investment. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Exactly: why should rent-seekers be able to claim expenses against their investment, to reduce their overall tax liability?
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thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 10:37am:
lee wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 4:09pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:07pm:
Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability.


So they can claim expenses against their investment. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Exactly: why should rent-seekers be able to claim expenses against their investment, to reduce their overall tax liability?


We generally have a principle that you get taxed on your net profit/income. Not your turnover. Otherwise you have a situation where a person or business has a bad year with high turnover but no profit, and get sent bankrupt by the tax bill. The tax department is not there to destroy businesses. Not just out of a sense of fairness, but also because it would cause businesses to change their behaviour in a way that reduces their tax bill but harms the overall economy.
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Reply #18 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:01am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 6:10pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:07pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 12:21pm:
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Yes: get rid of the tax breaks for rent-seeking investors


What tax breaks do housing investors get that other investors don't?


(google)

Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability. Key exclusive tax breaks include claiming building depreciation, structural improvements, and significant, non-cash tax deductions

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Do you think rent will get cheaper if you do this?


Not in the private housing market, no.


Do you actually think negative gearing is unique to housing investors?


No, but the topic is housing investment, and I have just shown you the exorbitant privilege accruing to Oz rent-seekers (aka as "investors") , which is distorting the housing market.

Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability.

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Or did you type 'google' to indicate you have no idea what you are on about and are googling it for the first time?


No, that's not why I "typed google" , but we can see  - unlike google -  YOU have no idea what you are talking about....  hence you can't critique the answer to your question about tax-advantaged investment.

At least lee had a shot - but he put his foot in his mouth, defending tax-advantaged 'investment' by rent-seekers.

Just like you simply ignored the fact Menzies, in the Keynesian deficit spending era,  ensured housing building costs and retainprices were affordable by average wage earners.

Keep demonstrating how your 'small government'/"other people's money" (ie 'taxpayer money' according to Thatcher) blind ideology cripples your brain.
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Do you actually think negative gearing is unique to housing investors?

No, but the topic is housing investment, and I have just shown you the exorbitant privilege accruing to Oz rent-seekers (aka as "investors") , which is distorting the housing market.


This is what you posted:

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Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits


So what exactly are you trying to say? That you are copying and pasting with no understanding? You have not shown anything, other than an ability to contradict yourself.

What "unique tax benefits" do housing investors get? How is it "distorting" the market? Why is it a "privilege." Just because the Greens told you what to think?
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Reply #20 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:22am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:23pm:
It is all caused by the policies of successive Govts:


Correct.

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(1) mass uncontrolled immigration of millions of people when there was no proper housing for them.


So we need CONTROLLED immigration which increases the intake of builders - unless you want the Oz population to shrink:

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Australia's population would likely shrink without immigration. With a fertility rate of roughly 1.6 to 1.7 babies per woman—well below the replacement rate of natural population growth (births minus deaths) is insufficient to maintain current levels

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(2) failure to train enough house builders.


Correct. Albo  is attempting to correct it, with free TAFE and incentives for building apprentices - which the 'small government' ideologues in the Coal-ition voted against.

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(3) Capital gains tax advantages for investors + negative gearing.


Correct...don't tell lee or FD, you can see their responses above.

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(4) excessive red tape and charges when building houses.


Yes,  red tape should be minimized, while ensuring standards are maintained; and government charges often arise because of misconstrued budgetary concerns.

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That's what happens when you have a Uniparty -
a one party State with 2 branches: Labor and Liberal.
The phoney preferential voting system helps them win again and again.


Partly correct: Labor at least offers some government investment (though woefully inaquate, eg the HAFF) , but is constrained by the same Thatcherite 'small government' BS as the Conservatives.
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Reply #21 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:37am
 
Thanks TGD,
we agree on everything.

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(4) excessive red tape and charges when building houses.


I partly remember a story from about 5 years ago.
A man divided his property into two and the person who bought it
built another house on his part of it.
The cost of getting utilities connected was astronomical:
electricity, water, gas, sewerage, drainage -
from the easements in the street.

Just getting the electricity hooked up was about $15,000 -
and a large part of it was red tape from the council -
it was the same for all the other utilities etc.
The council sees you as a cash cow when you try to build anything -
milking you of every last penny with fees.
The contractors charged through the nose too.
Everyone was out to make mega bucks.


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freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:03am:
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Do you actually think negative gearing is unique to housing investors?

No, but the topic is housing investment, and I have just shown you the exorbitant privilege accruing to Oz rent-seekers (aka as "investors") , which is distorting the housing market.


This is what you posted:

Quote:
Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits


So what exactly are you trying to say?


Housing investors ie rent seekers, NOT first home buyers who want a place to live in for life, rather than as a money making investment -  in Australia access unique tax benefits.

How difficult is that to understand (other than by a blind, crippled-brain 'small government' ideologue?)

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That you are copying and pasting with no understanding? You have not shown anything, other than an ability to contradict yourself.


You already said that, without explaining the "error" in the google quote.

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What "unique tax benefits" do housing investors get?


....primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability.

Simple plain english; these benefits combined with CGT discount  are rarely available outside Oz.

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How is it "distorting" the market?


By incentivizing  rent-seeking "investors", rather than 1st home buyers who don't want to become rent seekers,  but want an add affordable  house to live in, into the market.

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Why is it a "privilege." Just because the Greens told you what to think?


No -  because the above arguments  are irrefutable, except by self-interested "freedom" ideologues who are happy to see an increase in the rent-seeking class in Oz, therby condemning more Aussies to the status of renter-serfs for life  (in the absence of affordable rents in public housing).   
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primarily through negative gearing


You just said that negative gearing is not unique to housing investors. Would you like to try again?

What "unique tax benefits" do housing investors get?
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Reply #24 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:55am
 

Landlord upset in Victoria :

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Gz0C197DUTM
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thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 10:37am:
Exactly: why should rent-seekers be able to claim expenses against their investment, to reduce their overall tax liability?


So you disagree with every other government.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:47am:
these benefits combined with CGT discount  are rarely available outside Oz.



Perhaps you can share any "intelligence" you may have. The CGT discount is in place of phantom gains. due to inflation. If you sell something and then buy again you have to pay the new "market price", not the previous price before inflation. Roll Eyes
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The USA taxes capital gains at significantly lower rates than Australia.
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Reply #28 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:33pm:
The USA taxes capital gains at significantly lower rates than Australia.



Google AI:


Australian resident individual investors who have held an investment property for over 12 months are generally entitled to a 50% Capital Gains Tax (CGT) discount. This concession reduces the net capital gain by half, meaning only 50% of the profit is added to your taxable income and taxed at your marginal rate.

Key Aspects of the CGT Discount for Property:
Eligibility: You must be an Australian resident for tax purposes, an individual, or a trust (companies are generally not eligible).


12-Month Rule: The property must be held for more than 12 months, excluding the dates of acquisition and sale.


Calculation: If you sell an investment property for a $200,000 gain, you only report $100,000 as taxable income.


Cost Base Reduction: The gain is calculated as the sale price minus the "cost base" (purchase price + buying/selling costs).
Foreign Residents: If you were a foreign resident for any part of the ownership period, the 50% discount may be reduced or not applicable.


Partial Main Residence: If your investment property was once your main residence, you may be entitled to a partial exemption, with the remaining gain potentially eligible for the 50% discount.
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Reply #29 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:58pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:16pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:47am:
these benefits combined with CGT discount  are rarely available outside Oz.



Perhaps you can share any "intelligence" you may have. The CGT discount is in place of phantom gains. due to inflation. If you sell something and then buy again you have to pay the new "market price", not the previous price before inflation. Roll Eyes



yes - bad if you are buying back in.
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Reply #30 - Feb 22nd, 2026 at 8:22am
 
Yeah  but look at all the homing all this investment is producing!!!!  All these new homes appearing by magic every day!!
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Reply #31 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:28pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:11pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 10:37am:
Exactly: why should rent-seekers be able to claim expenses against their investment, to reduce their overall tax liability?


So you disagree with every other government.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Other governments don't have the exorbitant tax breaks for Oz  investors in housing - introduced by Howard:

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The 50% Capital Gains Tax (CGT) discount and the current form of negative gearing in Australia were established at different times, with the most significant modern changes introduced by the Howard Coalition Government in 1999

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primarily through negative gearing


You just said that negative gearing is not unique to housing investors. Would you like to try again?

What "unique tax benefits" do housing investors get?


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Negative gearing is not unique to housing, nor is it exclusive to Australia. It is a general investment principle—where expenses exceed income—that applies to shares and other assets. While common for Australian property, similar, though often more restricted, tax deduction systems exist in countries like Germany, Japan, and Canada.

...and you still haven't addressed the other items  in the 1st google  quote, which you mindlessly skipped without pointing to any errors, thinking you could settle on the NG issue which you ALSO know nothing about.

FD and lee - an idiot-duo blinded by Thatcherite "small government" ideology.

Hence no understanding that Menzies who promoted private housing also ensured costs were affordable for builders and buyers, in the Keynesian 'deficit spending' era, balanced by sufficient public housing for  low income renters, to avoid homelessness.

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Yes I am aware that you know how to use google. But do you know what you are talking about?

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.and you still haven't addressed the other items  in the 1st google  quote


Why should I address automatically generated content from google that was copied and pasted by someone who does not even understand what is says?
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freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:33pm:
The USA taxes capital gains at significantly lower rates than Australia.


Australian housing is significantly less affordable than in the U.S., with a median price-to-income ratio (median multiple) around 9.7x compared to roughly 4.8x–5.1x in the US as of 2024-2025. Australian housing is often considered "severely unaffordable" (9.0+ ratio), with cities like Sydney exceeding 13x, while major US cities like Los Angeles (10.9x) and San Jose (11.9x) are high but generally lower than top Australian cities



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freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:51pm:
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Yes I am aware that you know how to use google. But do you know what you are talking about?


Yes, while you obviously don't know what you are talking about....

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.and you still haven't addressed the other items  in the 1st google  quote


Why should I address automatically generated content from google that was copied and pasted by someone who does not even understand what is says? [/quote]


"Someone" - being AI analyzing millions of articles on the topic.

But FD's brain is crippled by delusional Thatcherite 'free market/small government'   isdeology. Menzies had a far greater guide re government financing (ie JM Keynes)  than Thatcher.
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Reply #36 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:12pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:04pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:51pm:
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google


Yes I am aware that you know how to use google. But do you know what you are talking about?

Yes, while you obviously don't know what you are talking about....

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.and you still haven't addressed the other items  in the 1st google  quote


Why should I address automatically generated content from google that was copied and pasted by someone who does not even understand what is says?



"Someone" - being AI analyzing millions of articles on the topic.


And you not having a clue what the output means, or knowing how to figure out whether it is correct.
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thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:57pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:33pm:
The USA taxes capital gains at significantly lower rates than Australia.


Australian housing is significantly less affordable than in the U.S., with a median price-to-income ratio (median multiple) around 9.7x compared to roughly 4.8x–5.1x in the US as of 2024-2025. Australian housing is often considered "severely unaffordable" (9.0+ ratio), with cities like Sydney exceeding 13x, while major US cities like Los Angeles (10.9x) and San Jose (11.9x) are high but generally lower than top Australian cities


Is that supposed to be a response to what I said, or did you just google something random again?
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Reply #38 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:27pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:28pm:
Other governments don't have the exorbitant tax breaks for Oz  investors in housing - introduced by Howard:


Oh which ones? Be specific. You mentioned "unique" taxes for landlords. Then you answered that Negative Gearing is NOT unique. So which are the "unique" ones.

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:57pm:
Australian housing is significantly less affordable than in the U.S., with a median price-to-income ratio (median multiple) around 9.7x compared to roughly 4.8x–5.1x in the US as of 2024-2025.


You do know  one of the most common construction methods in the US is still clapboard? It similar to weatherboard in Australia. Now not so common. Roll Eyes
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freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:12pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:04pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:51pm:
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google


Yes I am aware that you know how to use google. But do you know what you are talking about?

Yes, while you obviously don't know what you are talking about....

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.and you still haven't addressed the other items  in the 1st google  quote


Why should I address automatically generated content from google that was copied and pasted by someone who does not even understand what is says?



"Someone" - being AI analyzing millions of articles on the topic.


And you not having a clue what the output means, or knowing how to figure out whether it is correct.


AI 'output' is a convenient  summation of knowledge on a topic:

AI can effectively summarize knowledge on negative gearing, explaining it as a tax-effective investment strategy where expenses (interest, repairs, depreciation) exceed income. AI is proficient at explaining that this strategy allows investors to offset losses against other income (like salary) to reduce taxable income.

However, AI should be used as a research tool rather than a source of definitive financial advice, as it cannot consider an individual's personal circumstances and may occasionally produce incorrect information


Note : "research" - something you should try sometime, rather  than relying on your ideology-crippled brain to avoid confronting the truth in the OP.

Howard created the housing investor's paradise  - at a time when the mining boom was enriching government coffers.

Hence the current unaffordable housing crisis, with wealthy rent seekers laughing all the way to the bank while recent mortagees and renters are paying the price as interest rates rise. 
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Again incorrect. It is a summary of what is said on the internet. It neither understands nor knows the truth. If the internet is full of mindless Greens drones talking about "unique tax breaks" for Australian housing investors (thanks WK) then that is what AI will report. And some people like you will copy and paste it, having no understanding at all of what it means either. Hence your lie about Australian housing investors getting unique tax breaks.

Yes it is convenient. But it is also BS. And you cannot tell the difference. And no, we are not compelled to respond to your mindless copying and pasting. If the CCP did not teach you how to think for yourself, and you have no interest in figuring it out either, we cannot teach you how to think.
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Reply #41 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:55pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:27pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:28pm:
Other governments don't have the exorbitant tax breaks for Oz  investors in housing - introduced by Howard:


Oh which ones? Be specific. You mentioned "unique" taxes for landlords. Then you answered that Negative Gearing is NOT unique. So which are the "unique" ones.


Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability. Key exclusive tax breaks include claiming building depreciation, structural improvements, and significant, non-cash tax deductions

Primarily but not confined to...


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You do know  one of the most common construction methods in the US is still clapboard? It similar to weatherboard in Australia. Now not so common. Roll Eyes


Doesn't change the truth of the OP.; house prices in Oz are expensive  because rent-seeking investors in private housing, incentivized by unique tax advantages (see above)  have pushed up prices, in a high demand scenario supported by high immigration,  cf the US.

Australia's population is growing at a significantly faster rate than the United States, driven heavily by high levels of net overseas migration. Recent data shows Australia's population growth rate often exceeding 2% (e.g., 2.1% - 2.5%), whereas the United States' growth rate has remained, by comparison, much slower, frequently running under 1%.


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Reply #42 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 6:17pm
 
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Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits


You keep parroting that line. Going round in circles. But do you understand what you are saying? What are they?

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primarily through negative gearing


You have already conceded this is not a unique tax benefit. Do you remember doing that, or were you just parroting again, with no comprehension of the things you post?

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Doesn't change the truth of the OP.; house prices in Oz are expensive  because


If you do not understand what you are talking about, how do you know whether you speak the truth?
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Reply #43 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 6:50pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:39pm:
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AI 'output' is a convenient  summation of knowledge on a topic:


Again incorrect. It is a summary of what is said on the internet.


Incorrect : AI summarizes  knowledge on specific topics, often including citations from scholarly articles  and government documents, not on "what is said" by 'joe blow' on the internet.   

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It neither understands nor knows the truth.


Uncomprehending semantics: AI "knows" 1+1 =2, and E = mc2; both of which are true.

Moreover: 

(from google AI)

E= mc2 is Albert Einstein's equation representing mass-energy equivalence, stating that energy (E) equals mass (m) times the speed of light (c) squared.

(And notice it "understood"  whai I meant when I typed 'mc2' .


AI "knows" it by comparing billions of 'bits' of information  on the topic:

AI answers questions by analyzing massive datasets using machine learning and natural language processing (NLP) to identify patterns, associations, and context. Instead of just searching a database, models predict the most likely, coherent next words based on learned language patterns to generate responses, or use tools to retrieve real-time data.

This video explains how AI generates answers....


Clever  - eh. I expect you are terrified of it.....

Like I said - do some research.


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If the internet is full of mindless Greens drones talking about "unique tax breaks" for Australian housing investors (thanks WK) then that is what AI will report.


Incorrect. AI "knows" Oz investors have unique tax breaks , supercharged by Howard who wanted to sell off public housing.....


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And some people like you will copy and paste it, having no understanding at all of what it means either. Hence your lie about Australian housing investors getting unique tax breaks.


Oh dear, don't you feel silly now I have revealed your ignorance re AI not "understanding" or "knowing"? (...your words).

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Yes it is convenient.



Certainly not convenient if it doesn't "understand" or "know" (your words) the topic. 

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But it is also BS.


So "convenient BS":   ....is that an oxymoron or a merely a contradiction?   

Let's check.....

"BS" (Bullshit) usually implies something false, irrational, nonsensical, or difficult to accept.

"Convenient" implies something that is easy, fitting, or advantageous to a specific purpose.


Clever, eh - your contradiction concisely exposed.


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is that a ..... And you cannot tell the difference.


You must be feeling sillier by the second, as AI demolishishes YOUR so called "understanding"...

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And no, we are not compelled to respond to your mindless copying and pasting. If the CCP did not teach you how to think for yourself, and you have no interest in figuring it out either, we cannot teach you how to think.


Ladies and gentlemen:  FD's crippled brain - exposed by ....AI!
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Incorrect. AI "knows" Oz investors have unique tax breaks


And so the circle continues.

What are they? And before we go round once more, you have already conceded that negative gearing is not one of them. Or were you mindlessly parroting something you have no understanding of, nor even recollection of?
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Reply #45 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 7:36pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:55pm:
Primarily but not confined to...



Do you even understand the meaning of "unique"?

Even if we include "somewhat unique" which means unusual though not strictly true.

"unique(adj.)

c. 1600, "single, solitary," from French unique (16c.), from Latin unicus "only, single, sole, alone of its kind," from unus "one" (from PIE root *oi-no- "one, unique").

The meaning "forming the only one of its kind" is attested from 1610s; erroneous sense of "remarkable, uncommon" is attested from mid-19c. "

https://www.etymonline.com/word/unique

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:55pm:
Doesn't change the truth of the OP.; house prices in Oz are expensive  because rent-seeking investors in private housing, incentivized by unique tax advantages (see above)  have pushed up prices, in a high demand scenario supported by high immigration,  cf the US.



So you do not understand Clapboard is a cheaper construction method than brick. Roll Eyes
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freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 7:05pm:
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Incorrect. AI "knows" Oz investors have unique tax breaks


And so the circle continues.


Well ... only 2 ideologically  crippled dummies are still commenting, so I'll be brief:

FD is too blind to even acknowledge the error of his "AI is convenient, and also BS" assertion, an oxymoron which AI exposed brilliantly, in my previous post.

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What are they?


You mindlessly reject AI which concisely listed them for you.

And the other dummy, lee: he has settled on rejecting the truth in OP because ...(drum role).... "Clapboard is a cheaper construction method than brick."

And speaking of "circles", lee's using a circular argument: he says there is no housing investor's playground in Oz  (despite AI's confirmation of the OP) , because we could be building cheaper houses, ignoring the effect of other factors such as  higher immigration causing  'demand pull' price inflation.

I rest my case.   


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thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 24th, 2026 at 11:55am:
And speaking of "circles", lee's using a circular argument: he says there is no housing investor's playground in Oz  (despite AI's confirmation of the OP) , because we could be building cheaper houses, ignoring the effect of other factors such as  higher immigration causing  'demand pull' price inflation.


No you ignore the cheaper option because it doesn't suit your argument. Even with higher immigration cheaper housing methods lead to lower prices.

You do know that AI has no actual Artificial Intelligence?

It merely follows your directions via you questions and trawls through available papers. Whether they are from someone like you at one end of the scale and someone with knowledge at the other end. BUT it still relies on the questions being posed.

So tell us  - at what point does something lose its "unique" status, if it is more than one? Should it be 3, 5 105? Or is the answer along the lines "how long is a ball of string"


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I rest my case.   



Ah, so now you are a judge - Always sitting on a case. Not doing anything, just sitting. Roll Eyes
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thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 24th, 2026 at 11:55am:
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 7:05pm:
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Incorrect. AI "knows" Oz investors have unique tax breaks


And so the circle continues.


Well ... only 2 ideologically  crippled dummies are still commenting, so I'll be brief:

FD is too blind to even acknowledge the error of his "AI is convenient, and also BS" assertion, an oxymoron which AI exposed brilliantly, in my previous post.

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What are they?


You mindlessly reject AI which concisely listed them for you.

And the other dummy, lee: he has settled on rejecting the truth in OP because ...(drum role).... "Clapboard is a cheaper construction method than brick."

And speaking of "circles", lee's using a circular argument: he says there is no housing investor's playground in Oz  (despite AI's confirmation of the OP) , because we could be building cheaper houses, ignoring the effect of other factors such as  higher immigration causing  'demand pull' price inflation.

I rest my case.   


What are the unique tax benefits, parrot?
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lee wrote on Feb 24th, 2026 at 12:48pm:
No you ignore the cheaper option because it doesn't suit your argument. Even with higher immigration cheaper housing methods lead to lower prices.


There are many reasons for unafforadable housing; and your claim that wooden US houses  is why Oz housing is expensive falls on its face.  Higher  immigration rates are a factor.

Other reasons for Oz 's unafforadbake housing:

(ABC Business)

Former RBA governor Bernie Fraser calls for capital gains tax discount to be scrapped in 'toxic' property debate

He conceded that a "cartel" of vested interests in the economy, including politicians, home owners and investors, would like to keep the status quo.

"Despite that sort of toxic approach to tax changes, I think that a case can be made for doing away with the discount on the gains, capital gains tax, abolishing it altogether," Mr Fraser said in Canberra.

"I believe that that would be a useful step, one of many steps that are required to moving back to an affordable housing market for all Australians."

Mr Fraser acknowledged that scrapping the CGT discount would meet fierce resistance from certain groups.

"I believe it's true that there are some sectors of the community — there is, in fact, what Alan Kohler called a 'cartel' of people who are against changing the tax dealing with the tax changes," Mr Fraser said, referring to Mr Kohler's appearance before the same committee on Monday.

"This cartel, which comprises existing home owners, property developers and, not least, lots of politicians who like to see house prices rise and go on rising, because there are votes in it."


A cartel including lee and FD, for whom self-interest trumps social equity,  and who offer no solutions to the widely acknowleded intergenerational inequity of the current tax arrangements.

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You do know that AI has no actual Artificial Intelligence?


lee being as dumb as FD, even after google explained it: AI "knows" topics via  the mechanics  of AI's chip "brain" ie constructing pattern formulation based on vast amounts of data.      

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It merely follows your directions via you questions and trawls through available papers. Whether they are from someone like you at one end of the scale and someone with knowledge at the other end. BUT it still relies on the questions being posed.


Yes, and asking questions is the beginnning of knowledge. But I don't have time to answer FDs endless questions; AI can sort it out in a jiffy.

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So tell us  - at what point does something lose its "unique" status, if it is more than one? Should it be 3, 5 105? Or is the answer along the lines "how long is a ball of string"


Ah - observe crippled brain lee having trouble coping with referring to Oz's known investor tax advantages (conveniently outlined by AI), as "unique", also addressed by Kohler and Fraser above....

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Ah, so now you are a judge - Always sitting on a case. Not doing anything, just sitting. Roll Eyes


Observe how blind, self-interested "free" market ideology - pushed by FD and lee - results in greedy 'cartels' which are wrecking social cohesion in our democracy. 

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thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 8:22am:
There are many reasons for unafforadable housing; and your claim that wooden US houses  is why Oz housing is expensive falls on its face.  Higher  immigration rates are a factor.


And I never said anything different. Cheaper build new house must lower the average price of new builds. Basic. So much for falling on its face. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 8:22am:
A cartel including lee and FD, for whom self-interest trumps social equity,  and who offer no solutions to the widely acknowleded intergenerational inequity of the current tax arrangements.


So some academic makes a statement and you fall for it. You never explained how a CGT discount, which only occurs on sale, helps landlords buy more. And no the banks don't use CGT discount as some sort of proxy capital. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 8:22am:
lee being as dumb as FD, even after google explained it: AI "knows" topics via  the mechanics  of AI's chip "brain" ie constructing pattern formulation based on vast amounts of data. 


Rubbish. It collects and distributes DATA, not necessarily of good quality. AI of itself knows exactly nothing. It merely regurgitates something based solely on the question asked. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 8:22am:
Yes, and asking questions is the beginnning of knowledge.



NOPE. Asking the RIGHT question is the beginning of knowledge. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 8:22am:
Ah - observe crippled brain lee having trouble coping with referring to Oz's known investor tax advantages (conveniently outlined by AI), as "unique", also addressed by Kohler and Fraser above....



Ah so you don't know what "unique" is and must defer to people who at best misuse the term. What a klutz. Grin Grin Grin Grin


BTW - I can find no evidence of Fraser or Kohler using the expression "unique" in relation to taxes. Roll Eyes
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 8:22am:
Observe how blind, self-interested "free" market ideology - pushed by FD and lee - results in greedy 'cartels' which are wrecking social cohesion in our democracy. 


Oh dear loses the argument and tries to deflect. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

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lee wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 12:52pm:
And I never said anything different. Cheaper build new house must lower the average price of new builds. Basic. So much for falling on its face. Roll Eyes


The issue is Oz's unaffordable housing, which tax-advantaged investors are treating as their playground.

As for buiding cheaper wooden houses: the cost of land is the primary driver of escalating housing costs in Australia, with residential land prices increasing by over 500% since 2000, far outpacing construction costs, ie building wooden houses won't stop investors hogging the housing market. 

And along with Bernie Fraser and Alan Kohler - who have identified the greedy rent-seeking 'cartel' who are resisting changes to those those generous tax advantages,
also Ken Henry today: "Former Treasury chief Ken Henry says Australia's landlords are using the capital gains tax discount to avoid paying income tax" 

https://thenightly.com.au/politics/landlords-using-capital-gains-tax-concessions...

It's time for government to eliminate  the tax breaks incentivizing greedy tax-advantaged  rent-seekers to buy more than one house, and for government to rebuild sufficient public housing to ensure housing for low income groups.   Problem solved.   

Then greedy rent seekers might have to invest in productive activity, instead of pushing up prices by competing with first home buyers.










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What are the unique tax benefits, parrot?
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Reply #53 - Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:39pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:30pm:
lee wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 12:52pm:
And I never said anything different. Cheaper build new house must lower the average price of new builds. Basic. So much for falling on its face. Roll Eyes


The issue is Oz's unaffordable housing, which tax-advantaged investors are treating as their playground.

As for buiding cheaper wooden houses: the cost of land is the primary driver of escalating housing costs in Australia, with residential land prices increasing by over 500% since 2000, far outpacing construction costs, ie building wooden houses won't stop investors hogging the housing market. 

And along with Bernie Fraser and Alan Kohler - who have identified the greedy rent-seeking 'cartel' who are resisting changes to those those generous tax advantages,
also Ken Henry today: "Former Treasury chief Ken Henry says Australia's landlords are using the capital gains tax discount to avoid paying income tax" 

https://thenightly.com.au/politics/landlords-using-capital-gains-tax-concessions...

It's time for government to eliminate  the tax breaks incentivizing greedy tax-advantaged  rent-seekers to buy more than one house, and for government to rebuild sufficient public housing to ensure housing for low income groups.   Problem solved.   

Then greedy rent seekers might have to invest in productive activity, instead of pushing up prices by competing with first home buyers.




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Reply #54 - Feb 25th, 2026 at 4:42pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:30pm:
The issue is Oz's unaffordable housing, which tax-advantaged investors are treating as their playground.


And yet ordinary Aussies are doing it. Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:30pm:
As for buiding cheaper wooden houses: the cost of land is the primary driver of escalating housing costs in Australia, with residential land prices increasing by over 500% since 2000, far outpacing construction costs, ie building wooden houses won't stop investors hogging the housing market. 


So vacant land - a increasingly limited asset is going up in price, But it is the landlords at fault. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

That still doesn't mean cheaper cost housing is not effective. Bur hey everybody wants 4 bedrooms, at least 2 bathrooms, 2 car space brick McHootchee. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:30pm:
And along with Bernie Fraser and Alan Kohler - who have identified the greedy rent-seeking 'cartel' who are resisting changes to those those generous tax advantages,
also Ken Henry today: "Former Treasury chief Ken Henry says Australia's landlords are using the capital gains tax discount to avoid paying income tax"


And still nothing about the uniqueness. Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

And what method should Henry have used? His report on taxation didn't specify anything about CGT. Although he did recommend a $25k tax-free bracket and only 2 tax brackets.  Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:30pm:
It's time for government to eliminate  the tax breaks incentivizing greedy tax-advantaged  rent-seekers to buy more than one house, and for government to rebuild sufficient public housing to ensure housing for low income groups


So for a person to only own one house, there would be no rental houses at all.

So which tax breaks that are now, supposedly, not unique, be scrapped. Be specific. Wink

And where would the money come from? What house size, construction etc for low income earners? Shouldn't government try to keep rents low, but also enable them to have the funds to build more? Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:30pm:
Then greedy rent seekers might have to invest in productive activity, instead of pushing up prices by competing with first home buyers.


So building homes is not a productive activity? On whom do you rely for that opinion? Wink
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Reply #55 - Feb 25th, 2026 at 4:44pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:39pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:30pm:
lee wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 12:52pm:
And I never said anything different. Cheaper build new house must lower the average price of new builds. Basic. So much for falling on its face. Roll Eyes


The issue is Oz's unaffordable housing, which tax-advantaged investors are treating as their playground.

As for buiding cheaper wooden houses: the cost of land is the primary driver of escalating housing costs in Australia, with residential land prices increasing by over 500% since 2000, far outpacing construction costs, ie building wooden houses won't stop investors hogging the housing market. 

And along with Bernie Fraser and Alan Kohler - who have identified the greedy rent-seeking 'cartel' who are resisting changes to those those generous tax advantages,
also Ken Henry today: "Former Treasury chief Ken Henry says Australia's landlords are using the capital gains tax discount to avoid paying income tax" 

https://thenightly.com.au/politics/landlords-using-capital-gains-tax-concessions...

It's time for government to eliminate  the tax breaks incentivizing greedy tax-advantaged  rent-seekers to buy more than one house, and for government to rebuild sufficient public housing to ensure housing for low income groups.   Problem solved.   

Then greedy rent seekers might have to invest in productive activity, instead of pushing up prices by competing with first home buyers.




I my younger days I used to rent -
I never met a good landlord once.


Is that because you were a bad tenant?
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Reply #56 - Feb 25th, 2026 at 4:47pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:39pm:
I never met a good landlord once.


You should not have gone on the rantan nightly. Wink
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Reply #57 - Feb 25th, 2026 at 5:22pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 4:42pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:30pm:
The issue is Oz's unaffordable housing, which tax-advantaged investors are treating as their playground.


And yet ordinary Aussies are doing it. Roll Eyes


Are you deaf, blind and dumb? - the number one issue in politics today is the current generation of average-wage workers  who are unable to afford housing, after prices relative to wages have quadrupled over the last 3 decades.

Hence Eslake joins the debate:   

(ABC 'Mornings)

CGT discounts 'too generous' says independent economist Saul Eslake  (google it, to listen to the segment)

He also notes Howard's tax arrangements  incentivize cashed up, greedy rent-seekers to buy established houses which doesn't increase housing supply , but only increases competition with  first home buyers, pushing up prices, and exposing  Angus Tallor's contention that removing the tax benefits  for investors will "reduce supply of houses to rent" - which, as Esalke says  "is the point, we want young people to be able to afford established housing, not be forced into a permanent class of renters.

....

Re  "productivity", it's "productive" for investors' wealth but not renters, especially in Oz where housing as an asset has risen mauch faster than other assets. 

And the government wants to decrease the cost the age pension, without retired people reduced to living in poverty due to unafforable rents.

Poor crippled brain still thinks "ordinary" Aussies can buy homes, despite a host of well known economists saying otherwise ...  and FD still wants to know what are 'generous tax concessions' (compared to other countries).  The hopeless duo.

More from Ken Henry:

Australia's tax system is in a worse position than it was 15 years ago and young people are paying the price, former Treasury secretary Ken Henry has warned

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-15/ken-henry-australias-tax-system-in-worse-...

Joining the other well-known economists already mentioned in this debate.

 
 



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thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 5:22pm:
the number one issue in politics today is the current generation of average-wage workers  who are unable to afford housing, after prices relative to wages have quadrupled over the last 3 decades. 


"Aussie Home Loans has examined tens of thousands of mortgage settlements between 2010 and 2024 and found that Australian homebuyers are increasingly saying “I do” to home ownership, with the number of home loans approved to unmarried couples having jumped by 80 per cent since 2015."

https://www.realestate.com.au/news/the-shocking-thing-aussie-buyers-are-going-wi...

Well that puts the lie to that. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 5:22pm:
buy established houses which doesn't increase housing supply



So why can't they build? it is generally cheaper, on all types of construction methods. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 5:22pm:
it's "productive" for investors' wealth but not renters, especially in Oz where housing as an asset has risen mauch faster than other assets. 


But only on sale. Which is what you want. It still begs the question of "why can't they build"? Roll Eyes

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 5:22pm:
And the government wants to decrease the cost the age pension, without retired people reduced to living in poverty due to unafforable rents.



And that's why super was brought in. Now of course some people don't want home ownership, they prefer to travel, so they are happy to rent. Of course later in life they may regret, but it is still a choice. Wink

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 5:22pm:
Australia's tax system is in a worse position than it was 15 years ago and young people are paying the price, former Treasury secretary Ken Henry has warned


And yet he had a hand in designing it, but Labor flubbed it.

"Rudd endorsed and implemented only three of the 138 recommendations."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Tax_Review

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 5:22pm:
Joining the other well-known economists already mentioned in this debate.



Ah yes. Well known economists. Wink Wink

Steve Keen - "Should the wealthy get away with lower tax than workers. Shouldn't capital gains and income be taxed at the same rate. The answer isn't as straight forward as you might think."

https://profstevekeen.substack.com/p/should-the-wealthy-get-away-with

Or is your argument that he is not a "well known" economist? Wink

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Reply #59 - Feb 26th, 2026 at 6:48am
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 4:44pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:39pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 3:30pm:
lee wrote on Feb 25th, 2026 at 12:52pm:
And I never said anything different. Cheaper build new house must lower the average price of new builds. Basic. So much for falling on its face. Roll Eyes


The issue is Oz's unaffordable housing, which tax-advantaged investors are treating as their playground.

As for buiding cheaper wooden houses: the cost of land is the primary driver of escalating housing costs in Australia, with residential land prices increasing by over 500% since 2000, far outpacing construction costs, ie building wooden houses won't stop investors hogging the housing market. 

And along with Bernie Fraser and Alan Kohler - who have identified the greedy rent-seeking 'cartel' who are resisting changes to those those generous tax advantages,
also Ken Henry today: "Former Treasury chief Ken Henry says Australia's landlords are using the capital gains tax discount to avoid paying income tax" 

https://thenightly.com.au/politics/landlords-using-capital-gains-tax-concessions...

It's time for government to eliminate  the tax breaks incentivizing greedy tax-advantaged  rent-seekers to buy more than one house, and for government to rebuild sufficient public housing to ensure housing for low income groups.   Problem solved.   

Then greedy rent seekers might have to invest in productive activity, instead of pushing up prices by competing with first home buyers.




I my younger days I used to rent -
I never met a good landlord once.


Is that because you were a bad tenant?



No - I always paid on time and looked after the place.
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Reply #60 - Feb 26th, 2026 at 4:26pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2026 at 4:05pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2026 at 11:49am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 26th, 2026 at 11:39am:
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2026 at 11:24am:
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Your again misunderstand  "mostly on the internet" -  as if joe blow has the greatest input into any given topic.


If you are using google's AI summary, that is what you get.


The summary from the world's encyclopedias and much more.

Your problem?

Quote:
The fact that he knows nothing about it is no barrier to him commenting on it.


Your error: joe blow in't even aware of most of the knowledge on the internet.

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Take you, for instance. Have you figured out yet what unique tax breaks Australian property investors get?


Well I reckon the experts have a pretty good understanding of the unique tax breaks for Oz property investors - just google it;  which is why they are all calling for the tax incentives to be repealed.

But politicians are driven by the voting power of greedy rent seekers...


You don't need to be an expert to figure that out. You just need to have half a brain.

Can you do it?


What, that greedy rent seekers refuse to countenance tax changes, thus maintaining the status quo in which the average wage worker is either oppressed by high rent or a massive mortgage.

Apparently  you haven't even got "half a brain" to see it...


No parrot, I meant figure out what "unique tax breaks" landlords get.
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Housing Australia confirmed last week that since mid-2023 48,000 permanent residents have taken advantage of its 5% Deposit Scheme, where the government acts as guarantor to enable first home buyers to avoid lenders mortgage insurance and enter into the housing market with smaller deposits.


Permanent residents are also eligible for $10,000 grants under the federal government’s First Home Owner Grant Scheme, with 972 handed out in NSW alone last year, but there is no publicly available data on how many have been given to non-citizens.
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Bobby. wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:55am:
Landlord upset in Victoria :

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Gz0C197DUTM


He’s right.
And yes, Victoria is the worst place to have an investment property.
That’s why we decided to buy interstate Qld instead. No BS land tax.

Near where my son lives, a $1.6 million house sold, it was investors and they said land tax will be over $3,600, then $2600 council rates, water/sewerage rates. And insurance about $2,500 and variable interest rates on whatever loan they got. Oh not forgetting over $90,000 stamp duty when buying.
Any wonder rent has to be ridiculously high.

They have had it on market to rent for $1,100 a week and within 2 weeks was leased!

I’m a bit astounded. Hubby guesses there’s 2 or 3 friends each sharing rent so it makes it affordable to live in a beautiful spacious house at the same time rather than a tiny unit each.



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Bobby. wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:58pm:
lee wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:16pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:47am:
these benefits combined with CGT discount  are rarely available outside Oz.



Perhaps you can share any "intelligence" you may have. The CGT discount is in place of phantom gains. due to inflation. If you sell something and then buy again you have to pay the new "market price", not the previous price before inflation. Roll Eyes



yes - bad if you are buying back in.


This is true.
I had this very discussion with hubby saying once we sell, pay our agents selling fees, tax on rental income and CGT. What it comes down to in figures is way below buying it again. Paying stamp duty on top of purchase price.

We used to have nice tax breaks by claiming travel expenses to property to fix it up.
Then that tax benefit was obliterated, can’t claim travel to go check or fix property, we ended up getting tradies doing the jobs but at a higher cost it would’ve cost us otherwise as hubby is a tradie too and I’m just a clever tradies wife  Smiley

Now I hear on the grapevine, starting from next 2026-2027 tax year, CGT used to be 50% tax free, it will lower down to .25%
It’s really taking out the fun in it all  Angry Roll Eyes
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Master Builders Australia, CEO Denita Wawn: “The magnitude of the regulatory creep is magnified by Volume Two of the National Construction Code, which started out as a ‘glove box compendium’ for house builders, has grown from 93 pages in 1993 to 889 pages as it stands today.”
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bears regulatory costs of up to $320,000.


Builders are ready to build; they just need to be free from the red tape that has built up over the years.”


Well lets raise the taxes on investors that should bring down the cost of building a house.
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Reply #65 - Apr 26th, 2026 at 9:32am
 
Sophia wrote on Apr 8th, 2026 at 2:04pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:55am:
Landlord upset in Victoria :

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Gz0C197DUTM


He’s right.
And yes, Victoria is the worst place to have an investment property.
That’s why we decided to buy interstate Qld instead. No BS land tax.

Near where my son lives, a $1.6 million house sold, it was investors and they said land tax will be over $3,600, then $2600 council rates, water/sewerage rates. And insurance about $2,500 and variable interest rates on whatever loan they got. Oh not forgetting over $90,000 stamp duty when buying.
Any wonder rent has to be ridiculously high.

They have had it on market to rent for $1,100 a week and within 2 weeks was leased!

I’m a bit astounded. Hubby guesses there’s 2 or 3 friends each sharing rent so it makes it affordable to live in a beautiful spacious house at the same time rather than a tiny unit each.




It's all because of Dan Andrews - he borrowed $240 billion -
he bankrupted Victoria and now the Govt. is dreaming up new taxes all the time
just to pay the interest bill.
It's so bad that the Federal Govt. may have to bail Victoria out.
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May 2, 2026


The 1% have cooked our housing system, but the 1% can fix it: taxthe1percent.com.au

The richest 1% don’t get rich by working. They do it by buying and selling assets like real estate - and making the most of a rigged tax system.

Tax concessions like negative gearing and the capital gains tax discount overwhelmingly flow to the richest people in the country, making it even harder for anyone else to get ahead.

The reason we’re in this situation now is because politicians from Labor, Liberal and One Nation are in the pockets of the 1%.

We’re at a tipping point. We need to act now or we’ll end up with US-style economic inequality.

That's why we've launched a campaign to make the 1% pay their fair share - because it’s time to tax wealth, not wages. It’s time to deliver more for you, less for billionaires & big corporations.

Find out more at taxthe1percent.com.au




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Bobby. wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:09pm:
May 2, 2026


The 1% have cooked our housing system, but the 1% can fix it: taxthe1percent.com.au

The richest 1% don’t get rich by working. They do it by buying and selling assets like real estate - and making the most of a rigged tax system.

Tax concessions like negative gearing and the capital gains tax discount overwhelmingly flow to the richest people in the country, making it even harder for anyone else to get ahead.

The reason we’re in this situation now is because politicians from Labor, Liberal and One Nation are in the pockets of the 1%.

We’re at a tipping point. We need to act now or we’ll end up with US-style economic inequality.

That's why we've launched a campaign to make the 1% pay their fair share - because it’s time to tax wealth, not wages. It’s time to deliver more for you, less for billionaires & big corporations.

Find out more at taxthe1percen




So Bobby do you think by the government taxing investors will force builders to lower the cost of building a house. It makes sense though doesn't it, give the politicians more money and believe that's a sure way to lower prices.
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Because costs have been allowed - yea - encouraged to get way out of hand to suit a few over the majority - the only solution will be to lower costs of building - to cut the profits so that this investment becomes non-viable.  The 'buildng industry' in the absence of any other real industry - is one of the mainstays of modern Australian economic theory! 

So the idea is to bring as many people as needed to force more construction to cater to them!   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

Heeey - Burka just got us another 2.9M citizens - those on temporary visas will now get the full nod! 

So all that Medicare money will vanish like a politician's promise after an election... poof ... your schools will be overloaded, your police, your infrastructure, your hospitals and doctors all paid on Medicare....and the pressure on HOMING will rise and rise until it MUST collapse.  You can say that nationalising these people does not raise the number here - but it does raise the costs for everyone else by raising the number to chew on the same dollar ... and have the same requirements to live here fully, eventually cop pensions and meantime cop social security, and fill out the aged care facilities and NDIS and Homecare for the aged etc.... maybe we shoudl just bring in MORE millions so that when they all age, they can take care of one another.....  wait a minute... that doesn't quite compute...

The Madness of Labor continues... kick it down the road and nobody can even prove it will happen - until it does.. and the ONELNP might be in political power then and will be fair game...

Meantime the breakaway state of Queensland is planning to build oil refineries to re-boot the viable economy of genuine production and real earned wages with prosperity more evenly distributed...a good start onthe GAIA plans.

THEY can see the validity of a huge rail/road network across the land, riding over the oil reserves to the West Coast ores ans shipping good stuff every which way for production HERE ... and not a cent to me for finder's fee... typical... not even an offer of a job with no work to tide me over ...
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Leroy wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:19pm:
Bobby. wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 4:09pm:
May 2, 2026


The 1% have cooked our housing system, but the 1% can fix it: taxthe1percent.com.au

The richest 1% don’t get rich by working. They do it by buying and selling assets like real estate - and making the most of a rigged tax system.

Tax concessions like negative gearing and the capital gains tax discount overwhelmingly flow to the richest people in the country, making it even harder for anyone else to get ahead.

The reason we’re in this situation now is because politicians from Labor, Liberal and One Nation are in the pockets of the 1%.

We’re at a tipping point. We need to act now or we’ll end up with US-style economic inequality.

That's why we've launched a campaign to make the 1% pay their fair share - because it’s time to tax wealth, not wages. It’s time to deliver more for you, less for billionaires & big corporations.

Find out more at taxthe1percen




So Bobby do you think by the government taxing investors will force builders to lower the cost of building a house. It makes sense though doesn't it, give the politicians more money and believe that's a sure way to lower prices.



The Greens seem to have a solution.   Undecided
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If and thats a big if house prices fall then it would be prime conditions for investors to buy, they will know that house prices have to rise back to where they are within 3-4 years and the price drop will negate the extra cost of CGT.

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Leroy wrote on May 3rd, 2026 at 5:19pm:
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The 1% have cooked our housing system, but the 1% can fix it: taxthe1percent.com.au

The richest 1% don’t get rich by working. They do it by buying and selling assets like real estate - and making the most of a rigged tax system.

Tax concessions like negative gearing and the capital gains tax discount overwhelmingly flow to the richest people in the country, making it even harder for anyone else to get ahead.

The reason we’re in this situation now is because politicians from Labor, Liberal and One Nation are in the pockets of the 1%.

We’re at a tipping point. We need to act now or we’ll end up with US-style economic inequality.

That's why we've launched a campaign to make the 1% pay their fair share - because it’s time to tax wealth, not wages. It’s time to deliver more for you, less for billionaires & big corporations.

Find out more at taxthe1percen




So Bobby do you think by the government taxing investors will force builders to lower the cost of building a house. It makes sense though doesn't it, give the politicians more money and believe that's a sure way to lower prices.



The Greens seem to have a solution.   Undecided


A solution to what Bobby, 26% of the population rent private rentals compared to 3% renting government housing.

Increasing the tax on these investors is not going to push down the prices of houses, its going to raise rents to cover the costs. It will be more money going from the end user (renter) to the government.


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