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Reply #30 - Feb 22nd, 2026 at 8:22am
 
Yeah  but look at all the homing all this investment is producing!!!!  All these new homes appearing by magic every day!!
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Reply #31 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:28pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:11pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 10:37am:
Exactly: why should rent-seekers be able to claim expenses against their investment, to reduce their overall tax liability?


So you disagree with every other government.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Other governments don't have the exorbitant tax breaks for Oz  investors in housing - introduced by Howard:

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The 50% Capital Gains Tax (CGT) discount and the current form of negative gearing in Australia were established at different times, with the most significant modern changes introduced by the Howard Coalition Government in 1999

Do try to keep up.
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Reply #32 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:47pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:52am:
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primarily through negative gearing


You just said that negative gearing is not unique to housing investors. Would you like to try again?

What "unique tax benefits" do housing investors get?


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Negative gearing is not unique to housing, nor is it exclusive to Australia. It is a general investment principle—where expenses exceed income—that applies to shares and other assets. While common for Australian property, similar, though often more restricted, tax deduction systems exist in countries like Germany, Japan, and Canada.

...and you still haven't addressed the other items  in the 1st google  quote, which you mindlessly skipped without pointing to any errors, thinking you could settle on the NG issue which you ALSO know nothing about.

FD and lee - an idiot-duo blinded by Thatcherite "small government" ideology.

Hence no understanding that Menzies who promoted private housing also ensured costs were affordable for builders and buyers, in the Keynesian 'deficit spending' era, balanced by sufficient public housing for  low income renters, to avoid homelessness.

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Reply #33 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:51pm
 
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Yes I am aware that you know how to use google. But do you know what you are talking about?

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.and you still haven't addressed the other items  in the 1st google  quote


Why should I address automatically generated content from google that was copied and pasted by someone who does not even understand what is says?
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Reply #34 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:33pm:
The USA taxes capital gains at significantly lower rates than Australia.


Australian housing is significantly less affordable than in the U.S., with a median price-to-income ratio (median multiple) around 9.7x compared to roughly 4.8x–5.1x in the US as of 2024-2025. Australian housing is often considered "severely unaffordable" (9.0+ ratio), with cities like Sydney exceeding 13x, while major US cities like Los Angeles (10.9x) and San Jose (11.9x) are high but generally lower than top Australian cities



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Reply #35 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:51pm:
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Yes I am aware that you know how to use google. But do you know what you are talking about?


Yes, while you obviously don't know what you are talking about....

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.and you still haven't addressed the other items  in the 1st google  quote


Why should I address automatically generated content from google that was copied and pasted by someone who does not even understand what is says? [/quote]


"Someone" - being AI analyzing millions of articles on the topic.

But FD's brain is crippled by delusional Thatcherite 'free market/small government'   isdeology. Menzies had a far greater guide re government financing (ie JM Keynes)  than Thatcher.
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Reply #36 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:12pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:04pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:51pm:
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google


Yes I am aware that you know how to use google. But do you know what you are talking about?

Yes, while you obviously don't know what you are talking about....

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.and you still haven't addressed the other items  in the 1st google  quote


Why should I address automatically generated content from google that was copied and pasted by someone who does not even understand what is says?



"Someone" - being AI analyzing millions of articles on the topic.


And you not having a clue what the output means, or knowing how to figure out whether it is correct.
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Reply #37 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:12pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:57pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:33pm:
The USA taxes capital gains at significantly lower rates than Australia.


Australian housing is significantly less affordable than in the U.S., with a median price-to-income ratio (median multiple) around 9.7x compared to roughly 4.8x–5.1x in the US as of 2024-2025. Australian housing is often considered "severely unaffordable" (9.0+ ratio), with cities like Sydney exceeding 13x, while major US cities like Los Angeles (10.9x) and San Jose (11.9x) are high but generally lower than top Australian cities


Is that supposed to be a response to what I said, or did you just google something random again?
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Reply #38 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:27pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:28pm:
Other governments don't have the exorbitant tax breaks for Oz  investors in housing - introduced by Howard:


Oh which ones? Be specific. You mentioned "unique" taxes for landlords. Then you answered that Negative Gearing is NOT unique. So which are the "unique" ones.

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:57pm:
Australian housing is significantly less affordable than in the U.S., with a median price-to-income ratio (median multiple) around 9.7x compared to roughly 4.8x–5.1x in the US as of 2024-2025.


You do know  one of the most common construction methods in the US is still clapboard? It similar to weatherboard in Australia. Now not so common. Roll Eyes
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Reply #39 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:12pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:04pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:51pm:
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google


Yes I am aware that you know how to use google. But do you know what you are talking about?

Yes, while you obviously don't know what you are talking about....

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.and you still haven't addressed the other items  in the 1st google  quote


Why should I address automatically generated content from google that was copied and pasted by someone who does not even understand what is says?



"Someone" - being AI analyzing millions of articles on the topic.


And you not having a clue what the output means, or knowing how to figure out whether it is correct.


AI 'output' is a convenient  summation of knowledge on a topic:

AI can effectively summarize knowledge on negative gearing, explaining it as a tax-effective investment strategy where expenses (interest, repairs, depreciation) exceed income. AI is proficient at explaining that this strategy allows investors to offset losses against other income (like salary) to reduce taxable income.

However, AI should be used as a research tool rather than a source of definitive financial advice, as it cannot consider an individual's personal circumstances and may occasionally produce incorrect information


Note : "research" - something you should try sometime, rather  than relying on your ideology-crippled brain to avoid confronting the truth in the OP.

Howard created the housing investor's paradise  - at a time when the mining boom was enriching government coffers.

Hence the current unaffordable housing crisis, with wealthy rent seekers laughing all the way to the bank while recent mortagees and renters are paying the price as interest rates rise. 
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Reply #40 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:39pm
 
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AI 'output' is a convenient  summation of knowledge on a topic:


Again incorrect. It is a summary of what is said on the internet. It neither understands nor knows the truth. If the internet is full of mindless Greens drones talking about "unique tax breaks" for Australian housing investors (thanks WK) then that is what AI will report. And some people like you will copy and paste it, having no understanding at all of what it means either. Hence your lie about Australian housing investors getting unique tax breaks.

Yes it is convenient. But it is also BS. And you cannot tell the difference. And no, we are not compelled to respond to your mindless copying and pasting. If the CCP did not teach you how to think for yourself, and you have no interest in figuring it out either, we cannot teach you how to think.
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Reply #41 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:55pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:27pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 4:28pm:
Other governments don't have the exorbitant tax breaks for Oz  investors in housing - introduced by Howard:


Oh which ones? Be specific. You mentioned "unique" taxes for landlords. Then you answered that Negative Gearing is NOT unique. So which are the "unique" ones.


Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability. Key exclusive tax breaks include claiming building depreciation, structural improvements, and significant, non-cash tax deductions

Primarily but not confined to...


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You do know  one of the most common construction methods in the US is still clapboard? It similar to weatherboard in Australia. Now not so common. Roll Eyes


Doesn't change the truth of the OP.; house prices in Oz are expensive  because rent-seeking investors in private housing, incentivized by unique tax advantages (see above)  have pushed up prices, in a high demand scenario supported by high immigration,  cf the US.

Australia's population is growing at a significantly faster rate than the United States, driven heavily by high levels of net overseas migration. Recent data shows Australia's population growth rate often exceeding 2% (e.g., 2.1% - 2.5%), whereas the United States' growth rate has remained, by comparison, much slower, frequently running under 1%.


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Reply #42 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 6:17pm
 
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Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits


You keep parroting that line. Going round in circles. But do you understand what you are saying? What are they?

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primarily through negative gearing


You have already conceded this is not a unique tax benefit. Do you remember doing that, or were you just parroting again, with no comprehension of the things you post?

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Doesn't change the truth of the OP.; house prices in Oz are expensive  because


If you do not understand what you are talking about, how do you know whether you speak the truth?
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Reply #43 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 6:50pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 23rd, 2026 at 5:39pm:
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AI 'output' is a convenient  summation of knowledge on a topic:


Again incorrect. It is a summary of what is said on the internet.


Incorrect : AI summarizes  knowledge on specific topics, often including citations from scholarly articles  and government documents, not on "what is said" by 'joe blow' on the internet.   

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It neither understands nor knows the truth.


Uncomprehending semantics: AI "knows" 1+1 =2, and E = mc2; both of which are true.

Moreover: 

(from google AI)

E= mc2 is Albert Einstein's equation representing mass-energy equivalence, stating that energy (E) equals mass (m) times the speed of light (c) squared.

(And notice it "understood"  whai I meant when I typed 'mc2' .


AI "knows" it by comparing billions of 'bits' of information  on the topic:

AI answers questions by analyzing massive datasets using machine learning and natural language processing (NLP) to identify patterns, associations, and context. Instead of just searching a database, models predict the most likely, coherent next words based on learned language patterns to generate responses, or use tools to retrieve real-time data.

This video explains how AI generates answers....


Clever  - eh. I expect you are terrified of it.....

Like I said - do some research.


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If the internet is full of mindless Greens drones talking about "unique tax breaks" for Australian housing investors (thanks WK) then that is what AI will report.


Incorrect. AI "knows" Oz investors have unique tax breaks , supercharged by Howard who wanted to sell off public housing.....


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And some people like you will copy and paste it, having no understanding at all of what it means either. Hence your lie about Australian housing investors getting unique tax breaks.


Oh dear, don't you feel silly now I have revealed your ignorance re AI not "understanding" or "knowing"? (...your words).

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Yes it is convenient.



Certainly not convenient if it doesn't "understand" or "know" (your words) the topic. 

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But it is also BS.


So "convenient BS":   ....is that an oxymoron or a merely a contradiction?   

Let's check.....

"BS" (Bullshit) usually implies something false, irrational, nonsensical, or difficult to accept.

"Convenient" implies something that is easy, fitting, or advantageous to a specific purpose.


Clever, eh - your contradiction concisely exposed.


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is that a ..... And you cannot tell the difference.


You must be feeling sillier by the second, as AI demolishishes YOUR so called "understanding"...

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And no, we are not compelled to respond to your mindless copying and pasting. If the CCP did not teach you how to think for yourself, and you have no interest in figuring it out either, we cannot teach you how to think.


Ladies and gentlemen:  FD's crippled brain - exposed by ....AI!
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Reply #44 - Feb 23rd, 2026 at 7:05pm
 
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Incorrect. AI "knows" Oz investors have unique tax breaks


And so the circle continues.

What are they? And before we go round once more, you have already conceded that negative gearing is not one of them. Or were you mindlessly parroting something you have no understanding of, nor even recollection of?
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