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Reply #15 - Feb 20th, 2026 at 6:10pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:07pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 12:21pm:
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Yes: get rid of the tax breaks for rent-seeking investors


What tax breaks do housing investors get that other investors don't?


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Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability. Key exclusive tax breaks include claiming building depreciation, structural improvements, and significant, non-cash tax deductions

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Do you think rent will get cheaper if you do this?


Not in the private housing market, no.


Do you actually think negative gearing is unique to housing investors? Or did you type 'google' to indicate you have no idea what you are on about and are googling it for the first time?
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Reply #16 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 10:37am
 
lee wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 4:09pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:07pm:
Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability.


So they can claim expenses against their investment. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Exactly: why should rent-seekers be able to claim expenses against their investment, to reduce their overall tax liability?
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Reply #17 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 10:47am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 10:37am:
lee wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 4:09pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:07pm:
Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability.


So they can claim expenses against their investment. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Exactly: why should rent-seekers be able to claim expenses against their investment, to reduce their overall tax liability?


We generally have a principle that you get taxed on your net profit/income. Not your turnover. Otherwise you have a situation where a person or business has a bad year with high turnover but no profit, and get sent bankrupt by the tax bill. The tax department is not there to destroy businesses. Not just out of a sense of fairness, but also because it would cause businesses to change their behaviour in a way that reduces their tax bill but harms the overall economy.
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Reply #18 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:01am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 6:10pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:07pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 12:21pm:
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Yes: get rid of the tax breaks for rent-seeking investors


What tax breaks do housing investors get that other investors don't?


(google)

Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability. Key exclusive tax breaks include claiming building depreciation, structural improvements, and significant, non-cash tax deductions

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Do you think rent will get cheaper if you do this?


Not in the private housing market, no.


Do you actually think negative gearing is unique to housing investors?


No, but the topic is housing investment, and I have just shown you the exorbitant privilege accruing to Oz rent-seekers (aka as "investors") , which is distorting the housing market.

Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits, primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability.

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Or did you type 'google' to indicate you have no idea what you are on about and are googling it for the first time?


No, that's not why I "typed google" , but we can see  - unlike google -  YOU have no idea what you are talking about....  hence you can't critique the answer to your question about tax-advantaged investment.

At least lee had a shot - but he put his foot in his mouth, defending tax-advantaged 'investment' by rent-seekers.

Just like you simply ignored the fact Menzies, in the Keynesian deficit spending era,  ensured housing building costs and retainprices were affordable by average wage earners.

Keep demonstrating how your 'small government'/"other people's money" (ie 'taxpayer money' according to Thatcher) blind ideology cripples your brain.
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Reply #19 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:03am
 
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Do you actually think negative gearing is unique to housing investors?

No, but the topic is housing investment, and I have just shown you the exorbitant privilege accruing to Oz rent-seekers (aka as "investors") , which is distorting the housing market.


This is what you posted:

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Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits


So what exactly are you trying to say? That you are copying and pasting with no understanding? You have not shown anything, other than an ability to contradict yourself.

What "unique tax benefits" do housing investors get? How is it "distorting" the market? Why is it a "privilege." Just because the Greens told you what to think?
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Reply #20 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:22am
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 20th, 2026 at 3:23pm:
It is all caused by the policies of successive Govts:


Correct.

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(1) mass uncontrolled immigration of millions of people when there was no proper housing for them.


So we need CONTROLLED immigration which increases the intake of builders - unless you want the Oz population to shrink:

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Australia's population would likely shrink without immigration. With a fertility rate of roughly 1.6 to 1.7 babies per woman—well below the replacement rate of natural population growth (births minus deaths) is insufficient to maintain current levels

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(2) failure to train enough house builders.


Correct. Albo  is attempting to correct it, with free TAFE and incentives for building apprentices - which the 'small government' ideologues in the Coal-ition voted against.

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(3) Capital gains tax advantages for investors + negative gearing.


Correct...don't tell lee or FD, you can see their responses above.

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(4) excessive red tape and charges when building houses.


Yes,  red tape should be minimized, while ensuring standards are maintained; and government charges often arise because of misconstrued budgetary concerns.

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That's what happens when you have a Uniparty -
a one party State with 2 branches: Labor and Liberal.
The phoney preferential voting system helps them win again and again.


Partly correct: Labor at least offers some government investment (though woefully inaquate, eg the HAFF) , but is constrained by the same Thatcherite 'small government' BS as the Conservatives.
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Reply #21 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:37am
 
Thanks TGD,
we agree on everything.

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(4) excessive red tape and charges when building houses.


I partly remember a story from about 5 years ago.
A man divided his property into two and the person who bought it
built another house on his part of it.
The cost of getting utilities connected was astronomical:
electricity, water, gas, sewerage, drainage -
from the easements in the street.

Just getting the electricity hooked up was about $15,000 -
and a large part of it was red tape from the council -
it was the same for all the other utilities etc.
The council sees you as a cash cow when you try to build anything -
milking you of every last penny with fees.
The contractors charged through the nose too.
Everyone was out to make mega bucks.


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Reply #22 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:47am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:03am:
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Do you actually think negative gearing is unique to housing investors?

No, but the topic is housing investment, and I have just shown you the exorbitant privilege accruing to Oz rent-seekers (aka as "investors") , which is distorting the housing market.


This is what you posted:

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Housing investors in Australia access unique tax benefits


So what exactly are you trying to say?


Housing investors ie rent seekers, NOT first home buyers who want a place to live in for life, rather than as a money making investment -  in Australia access unique tax benefits.

How difficult is that to understand (other than by a blind, crippled-brain 'small government' ideologue?)

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That you are copying and pasting with no understanding? You have not shown anything, other than an ability to contradict yourself.


You already said that, without explaining the "error" in the google quote.

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What "unique tax benefits" do housing investors get?


....primarily through negative gearing, which allows them to offset rental losses (where expenses exceed income) against their salary or other income, reducing their overall tax liability.

Simple plain english; these benefits combined with CGT discount  are rarely available outside Oz.

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How is it "distorting" the market?


By incentivizing  rent-seeking "investors", rather than 1st home buyers who don't want to become rent seekers,  but want an add affordable  house to live in, into the market.

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Why is it a "privilege." Just because the Greens told you what to think?


No -  because the above arguments  are irrefutable, except by self-interested "freedom" ideologues who are happy to see an increase in the rent-seeking class in Oz, therby condemning more Aussies to the status of renter-serfs for life  (in the absence of affordable rents in public housing).   
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Reply #23 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:52am
 
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primarily through negative gearing


You just said that negative gearing is not unique to housing investors. Would you like to try again?

What "unique tax benefits" do housing investors get?
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Reply #24 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:55am
 

Landlord upset in Victoria :

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Gz0C197DUTM
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Reply #25 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:11pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 10:37am:
Exactly: why should rent-seekers be able to claim expenses against their investment, to reduce their overall tax liability?


So you disagree with every other government.  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #26 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:16pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:47am:
these benefits combined with CGT discount  are rarely available outside Oz.



Perhaps you can share any "intelligence" you may have. The CGT discount is in place of phantom gains. due to inflation. If you sell something and then buy again you have to pay the new "market price", not the previous price before inflation. Roll Eyes
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Reply #27 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:33pm
 
The USA taxes capital gains at significantly lower rates than Australia.
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Reply #28 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:57pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:33pm:
The USA taxes capital gains at significantly lower rates than Australia.



Google AI:


Australian resident individual investors who have held an investment property for over 12 months are generally entitled to a 50% Capital Gains Tax (CGT) discount. This concession reduces the net capital gain by half, meaning only 50% of the profit is added to your taxable income and taxed at your marginal rate.

Key Aspects of the CGT Discount for Property:
Eligibility: You must be an Australian resident for tax purposes, an individual, or a trust (companies are generally not eligible).


12-Month Rule: The property must be held for more than 12 months, excluding the dates of acquisition and sale.


Calculation: If you sell an investment property for a $200,000 gain, you only report $100,000 as taxable income.


Cost Base Reduction: The gain is calculated as the sale price minus the "cost base" (purchase price + buying/selling costs).
Foreign Residents: If you were a foreign resident for any part of the ownership period, the 50% discount may be reduced or not applicable.


Partial Main Residence: If your investment property was once your main residence, you may be entitled to a partial exemption, with the remaining gain potentially eligible for the 50% discount.
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Reply #29 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:58pm
 
lee wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 1:16pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:47am:
these benefits combined with CGT discount  are rarely available outside Oz.



Perhaps you can share any "intelligence" you may have. The CGT discount is in place of phantom gains. due to inflation. If you sell something and then buy again you have to pay the new "market price", not the previous price before inflation. Roll Eyes



yes - bad if you are buying back in.
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