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Reply #180 - Mar 5th, 2026 at 7:40pm
 
chimera wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 6:44pm:
Posters here think 'ISIS bride' means the woman must have beheaded someone due to that name.



Hmm. You must have a reference for that. Roll Eyes
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Reply #181 - Mar 5th, 2026 at 7:43pm
 
chimera wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 7:37pm:
How do you manage everyday living. Do you have a carer for banking, driving, toileting.

I am not a moron like you.

I dont ask if the red light self identifies AS red light.
I dont ask if a rabid dog self identifies as rabid.
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Reply #182 - Mar 5th, 2026 at 7:45pm
 
lee wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 7:40pm:
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Hmm. You must have a reference for that.

sure, Frank's last post
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Re: 'Friends of Burke' fundraising for the ISIS brides
Reply #183 - Mar 6th, 2026 at 1:08pm
 
chimera wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 7:45pm:
lee wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 7:40pm:
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Hmm. You must have a reference for that.

sure, Frank's last post


So you are as stupid as you seem.  Roll Eyes
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Re: 'Friends of Burke' fundraising for the ISIS brides
Reply #184 - Mar 6th, 2026 at 1:13pm
 
Let me explain.
A red light is red on the facts.  Calling it green doesn't make it green and calling a trained dog 'rabid' doesn't make it so. The title ISIS does not prove the women murdered anyone. The word 'bride' is a hint that their terrorism is not proved.  It suggests the exemption for family, in the Cwlth legislation.

If all this is too heavy for you, then I'm not surprised.
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Re: 'Friends of Burke' fundraising for the ISIS brides
Reply #185 - Mar 6th, 2026 at 1:25pm
 
chimera wrote on Mar 6th, 2026 at 1:13pm:
Let me explain.



You are explaining the wrong thing.

chimera wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 6:44pm:
Posters here think 'ISIS bride' means the woman must have beheaded someone due to that name.



That was what you were supposed to be explaining. And your reference was so off topic as to be in the next state. Roll Eyes
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Reply #186 - Mar 6th, 2026 at 1:27pm
 
chimera wrote on Feb 15th, 2026 at 4:12pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2026 at 4:03pm:
Do you have a point, or are you just dribbling incoherently?


Yes dribbling
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Re: 'Friends of Burke' fundraising for the ISIS brides
Reply #187 - Mar 6th, 2026 at 1:34pm
 
You can see the q. is about Frank's post on red lights and rabid dogs.
You must have less sense than Frank and lee.
Abuse again is the way to avoid thinking.

(what is the last part of my dribbling quote that you're so excited about?)
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Reply #188 - Mar 6th, 2026 at 2:26pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2026 at 1:27pm:
chimera wrote on Feb 15th, 2026 at 4:12pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2026 at 4:03pm:
Do you have a point, or are you just dribbling incoherently?


Yes dribbling


I agree with you Chimera.
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Re: 'Friends of Burke' fundraising for the ISIS brides
Reply #189 - Mar 7th, 2026 at 4:55pm
 
The Ineffectiveness of Deradicalisation Programs for Islamist Extremists


By John Smith

Over the past two decades, governments around the world have invested heavily in deradicalisation programs aimed at rehabilitating Islamist extremists. These initiatives often involve religious re-education, psychological counselling, vocational training, and reintegration support. While such programs are politically appealing because they promise to reduce terrorism without relying solely on incarceration or military force, the available research suggests that deradicalisation initiatives have limited demonstrated effectiveness. Problems with evaluation, unreliable success metrics, and the difficulty of changing deeply entrenched ideological beliefs all raise serious doubts about their broad impact.

One of the most significant challenges is the lack of rigorous empirical evidence showing that these programs actually work. Scholars frequently note that reliable long-term data is scarce and that most programs are not evaluated using strong scientific methods. Research published by the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point found that the effectiveness of many prison-based rehabilitation programs remains uncertain because of limited transparency and the absence of systematic follow-up studies (Rabasa et al., 2010). Without control groups or long-term monitoring, it is difficult to determine whether individuals who abandon extremist activity do so because of the program itself or because of other factors such as aging, family pressures, or personal disillusionment with militant groups.

Another major problem lies in how governments define “success.” Official reports often cite very high success rates, but these figures can be misleading because they typically measure recidivism rather than genuine ideological change. For instance, Saudi Arabia’s rehabilitation initiative run through the Prince Mohammed bin Nayef Counseling and Care Center has often been cited as one of the world’s most successful deradicalisation programs, with authorities claiming success rates above 80 percent. However, independent analysts have pointed out that these figures rely largely on government-provided data and that several program graduates later returned to extremist organizations (Boucek, 2008). As a result, the true effectiveness of the program remains difficult to verify.

Furthermore, existing research suggests that deradicalisation programs tend to work primarily with individuals who are already inclined to disengage from extremism. Studies by the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation at King's College London indicate that deeply committed ideological militants are far less likely to abandon their beliefs through rehabilitation programs (Neumann, 2010). Many participants categorized as “successes” were not strongly ideologically motivated to begin with. Instead, they may have joined extremist movements due to social pressure, personal grievances, or a search for identity. Consequently, programs may appear effective simply because they are working with individuals who were never fully committed extremists.

Another important distinction highlighted in the literature is the difference between deradicalisation and disengagement. Deradicalisation implies a genuine transformation in beliefs and ideology, whereas disengagement refers only to the cessation of violent activities. Many scholars argue that most rehabilitation programs achieve disengagement rather than true ideological change (Horgan, 2009). Participants may refrain from violence because of legal supervision, employment opportunities, or family influence while still privately maintaining extremist views. This distinction is critical because individuals who remain ideologically radicalized may continue to support extremist causes indirectly or potentially return to violent activity in the future.

In conclusion, although deradicalisation programs represent a well-intentioned effort to address Islamist extremism through rehabilitation rather than punishment alone, current evidence does not demonstrate their broad effectiveness. Weak evaluation methods, questionable success metrics, and the resilience of extremist ideology all limit their impact. Until more rigorous research provides clearer evidence of success, policymakers should approach claims about deradicalisation programs with caution and recognize that ideological extremism is far more difficult to reverse than such initiatives often assume.

References

Boucek, C. (2008). Saudi Arabia’s “Soft” Counterterrorism Strategy: Prevention, Rehabilitation, and Aftercare. Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.

Horgan, J. (2009). Walking Away from Terrorism: Accounts of Disengagement from Radical and Extremist Movements. Routledge.

Neumann, P. (2010). Prisons and Terrorism: Radicalisation and De-radicalisation in 15 Countries. International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation, King's College London.

Rabasa, A., Pettyjohn, S., Ghez, J., & Boucek, C. (2010). Deradicalizing Islamist Extremists. RAND Corporation in cooperation with the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point.
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Reply #190 - Mar 8th, 2026 at 9:39am
 
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Another important distinction highlighted in the literature is the difference between deradicalisation and disengagement. Deradicalisation implies a genuine transformation in beliefs and ideology, whereas disengagement refers only to the cessation of violent activities. Many scholars argue that most rehabilitation programs achieve disengagement rather than true ideological change (Horgan, 2009). Participants may refrain from violence because of legal supervision, employment opportunities, or family influence while still privately maintaining extremist views. This distinction is critical because individuals who remain ideologically radicalized may continue to support extremist causes indirectly or potentially return to violent activity in the future.



Very good point.

In fact, the difference between the 'vast majority' and 'small minority' of Muslims everywhere.
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Reply #191 - Mar 8th, 2026 at 10:24am
 
chimera wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 2:00pm:
Frank wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 1:51pm:
The 'family members' themselves were there as members of a proscribed organisation.

You have the membership details?  You mean, visiting makes them proscribed? Then the exemption can never apply.
Try and think before using keyboard.



You're still killing it in the Imbecile Stakes.
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Reply #192 - Mar 8th, 2026 at 10:25am
 
chimera wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 2:50pm:
Abuse is very useful when discussing a policy issue.  It avoids the need for reason, knowledge or understanding.

Care is needed when abusing the Cwlth. For example, a Minister's website says:
'Correspondence that is threatening or intimidatory will be forwarded to the Australian Federal Police.'


You're discussing nothing but your own stupidity.
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Reply #193 - Mar 8th, 2026 at 10:26am
 
LNP never again wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 5:19pm:
Absolutely no help from Labor getting them home , didnt actual isis fighters (the men) actual come back under LNP ?


NO
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Reply #194 - Mar 8th, 2026 at 10:39am
 
chimera wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 6:44pm:
lee wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 6:15pm:
So it not only the males. That must burn.

That's half an idea..can you complete what you are saying?

chimera wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 5:54pm:
The accused are not to be named as 'Isis Bride' but by their actual name.


lee wrote on Mar 5th, 2026 at 6:15pm:
Who woudda thunk. Otherwise think of rapist being named in court as "rapist A".

Posters here think 'ISIS bride' means the woman must have beheaded someone due to that name.


No they don't. You're just being a dill.

The meaning of Bride in their cases means exactly that - they left Australia, as did many others from countries around western countries around the world to marry members of the proscribed terrorist group ISIS/Daesh.

Therefore they are ISIS brides - who also assisted their terrorist husbands & by default became terrorists.

They also had children over there in Syria, a proscribed war zone. Those children were bought up with the same predudices as their parents.

Get a grip you fool.



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