MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 17^th, 2026 at 8:07am:


If Muhammad thought his religion was Judaism and his followers were Jewish, why are there so many references in the Quran and Hadith to slaughtering Jews?

Why did he, at the first available opportunity, threaten to kill the Jews of Medina if they did not convert to Islam?

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2026 at 9:19am:


Answer:  because he considered Jews in his time had turned away from the OT prophets (Jews had even killed some of them back in the OT days) who had preached the religion of the 'One True God" - for which Muhammad considered himself the last true Prophet (after Jesus...) 

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Because they had abandoned the religion of the OT prophets, according to his understanding of the accounts of the OT prophets.

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2026 at 9:19am:

That Muhammad thought he'd been visited by a (Jewish) messenger from god (Gabriel) to continue god's (Jewish) message does not mean practising Jews believed him.

By their religious tradition, Judaism was exclusive to Yahweh's chosen people, not available to be cribbed by any other tribe.

By Muhammad's time, Judaism had evolved through religious traditions for thousands of years, and Muhammad's comprehension of them would probably have appeared infantile and delusional to them. They also included references and belief in Jesus (Ishwar) as a legitimate Jewish prophet, which, to orthodox Jews, then and now, was blasphemy.

This animosity occurred between Jews and Samaritans, implied in the New Testament in the parable of the Good Samaritan.

This animosity reoccurred with Pauline Judaism (Christianity) as well, when the early followers of Paul considered their unique beliefs to be the final word of Judaism, until it came to be deemed a separate religion.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 17^th, 2026 at 11:39am:


People invent new sects or religions all the time. We know how it works. But no-one claiming to be a new Jewish or Christian prophet would also incorporate slaughtering all the Christians and Jews in their revelations. Unless they understood that what they were creating was a new religion.

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So Muhammad actually believed that part of his traditional obligation as a Jew was to kill all the Jews? Like he was the first ever antisemitic Jew?

Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Jew. Not infidel.

Does that really sound like Muhammad identified as a Jew, not a Muslim?

freediver wrote on Feb 17^th, 2026 at 12:28pm:


The Prophet identified himself as the last prophet of 'Allah', called  'Jahweh' (Jehovah) in the OT.

Muhammad got gang banged anally by a group of southern Indians in the desert, by his own choice. As witnessed and accounted by Abdullah who had to watch from a safe distance.
The religion was sh#t from the start.