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Reply #30 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:39pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:24pm:
No - arriving on ships using the largest navy in the world.
We wouldn't even know till it was too late.
We found out about Chinese live firing in the Tasman sea from commercial air pilots.    Embarrassed

The 'largest navy in the world' barely dares to send one ship into blue water, nevermind a fleet.

Chinese live firing in the Tasman Sea from commercial air pilots... well, that was a good story, anyway... As if a naval vessel could approach Australia unnoticed by the US and Australia...

It sure didn't hurt Labor's cause to be seen to be calling for calm and diplomacy and not overreacting, for the benefit of Chinese Australian and Southeast Asian Australian voters who greatly value and appreciate restraint and patience vs overreaction and hysteria.

The Liberals, on the other hand, went straight for Yellow Peril hysteria... where is Peter Dutton now? Has he been coaxed out of his bedroom yet?




Yet across the vast gulf of the South Pacific,
minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish,
intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic,
regarded Australia with envious eyes,
and slowly and surely they drew their plans against us.
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Reply #31 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:42pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:39pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:24pm:
No - arriving on ships using the largest navy in the world.
We wouldn't even know till it was too late.
We found out about Chinese live firing in the Tasman sea from commercial air pilots.    Embarrassed

The 'largest navy in the world' barely dares to send one ship into blue water, nevermind a fleet.

Chinese live firing in the Tasman Sea from commercial air pilots... well, that was a good story, anyway... As if a naval vessel could approach Australia unnoticed by the US and Australia...

It sure didn't hurt Labor's cause to be seen to be calling for calm and diplomacy and not overreacting, for the benefit of Chinese Australian and Southeast Asian Australian voters who greatly value and appreciate restraint and patience vs overreaction and hysteria.

The Liberals, on the other hand, went straight for Yellow Peril hysteria... where is Peter Dutton now? Has he been coaxed out of his bedroom yet?




Yet across the vast gulf of the South Pacific,
minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish,
intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic,
regarded Australia with envious eyes,
and slowly and surely they drew their plans against us.

Aye, ave, Orson!
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Reply #32 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:55pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:39pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:30pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:24pm:
No - arriving on ships using the largest navy in the world.
We wouldn't even know till it was too late.
We found out about Chinese live firing in the Tasman sea from commercial air pilots.    Embarrassed

The 'largest navy in the world' barely dares to send one ship into blue water, nevermind a fleet.

Chinese live firing in the Tasman Sea from commercial air pilots... well, that was a good story, anyway... As if a naval vessel could approach Australia unnoticed by the US and Australia...

It sure didn't hurt Labor's cause to be seen to be calling for calm and diplomacy and not overreacting, for the benefit of Chinese Australian and Southeast Asian Australian voters who greatly value and appreciate restraint and patience vs overreaction and hysteria.

The Liberals, on the other hand, went straight for Yellow Peril hysteria... where is Peter Dutton now? Has he been coaxed out of his bedroom yet?




Yet across the vast gulf of the South Pacific,
minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish,
intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic,
regarded Australia with envious eyes,
and slowly and surely they drew their plans against us.

Aye, ave, Orson!



The 1938 Broadcast: Orson Welles produced and narrated a "news-style" radio adaptation of H.G. Wells' novel The War of the Worlds, leading many listeners to believe a real Martian invasion was occurring.


“No one would have believed in the last years of the nineteenth century that this world was being watched keenly and closely by intelligences greater than man’s and yet as mortal as his own; that as men busied themselves about their various concerns they were scrutinised and studied, perhaps almost as narrowly as a man with a microscope might scrutinise the transient creatures that swarm and multiply in a drop of water. With infinite complacency men went to and fro over this globe about their little affairs, serene in their assurance of their empire over matter. It is possible that the infusoria under the microscope do the same. No one gave a thought to the older worlds of space as sources of human danger, or thought of them only to dismiss the idea of life upon them as impossible or improbable. It is curious to recall some of the mental habits of those departed days. At most terrestrial men fancied there might be other men upon Mars, perhaps inferior to themselves and ready to welcome a missionary enterprise. Yet across the gulf of space, minds that are to our minds as ours are to those of the beasts that perish, intellects vast and cool and unsympathetic, regarded this earth with envious eyes, and slowly and surely drew their plans against us. And early in the twentieth century came the great disillusionment”
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Reply #33 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:58pm
 
1984

Big Brother Media said the enemy was Oceania.
Big Brother Media WAS Oceania.
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Reply #34 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:01pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:55pm:
The 1938 Broadcast: Orson Welles produced and narrated a "news-style" radio adaptation of H.G. Wells' novel The War of the Worlds, leading many listeners to believe a real Martian invasion was occurring.

Did Dutton summon the ghost of Wells?
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Reply #35 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:01pm
 
Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:58pm:
1984

Big Brother Media said the enemy was Oceania.
Big Brother Media WAS Oceania.



The Chinese? -

slowly and surely drew their plans against us.
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Reply #36 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:07pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:01pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:58pm:
1984

Big Brother Media said the enemy was Oceania.
Big Brother Media WAS Oceania.



The Chinese? -

slowly and surely drew their plans against us.

Yeppp... we've pissed the Chinese right off with how fast we can load up ships full of everything they ask to buy off us and get it to them like clockwork, that they've decided to spend trillions on an invasion and occupation to sort it out once and for all...


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Reply #37 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:13pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:01pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:58pm:
1984

Big Brother Media said the enemy was Oceania.
Big Brother Media WAS Oceania.



The Chinese? -

slowly and surely drew their plans against us.

Yeppp... we've pissed the Chinese right off with how fast we can load up ships full of everything they ask to buy off us and get it to them like clockwork, that they've decided to spend trillions on an invasion and occupation to sort it out once and for all...





Australia is a whole continent - it's worth a few $trillion to take it forever.
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Reply #38 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:16pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:13pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:01pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:58pm:
1984

Big Brother Media said the enemy was Oceania.
Big Brother Media WAS Oceania.



The Chinese? -

slowly and surely drew their plans against us.

Yeppp... we've pissed the Chinese right off with how fast we can load up ships full of everything they ask to buy off us and get it to them like clockwork, that they've decided to spend trillions on an invasion and occupation to sort it out once and for all...





Australia is a whole continent - it's worth a few $trillion to take it forever.

It would be a wet dream for Tibetans, Inner Mongolians, Xinjiangese, Taiwanese, northern China, southern China, Russians eyeing up northern Chinese borderlands, Indians along the Line of Actual Control, for the CCP to start a futile war against Australia.

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Reply #39 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:26pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:13pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:07pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:01pm:
Jasin wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 2:58pm:
1984

Big Brother Media said the enemy was Oceania.
Big Brother Media WAS Oceania.



The Chinese? -

slowly and surely drew their plans against us.

Yeppp... we've pissed the Chinese right off with how fast we can load up ships full of everything they ask to buy off us and get it to them like clockwork, that they've decided to spend trillions on an invasion and occupation to sort it out once and for all...





Australia is a whole continent - it's worth a few $trillion to take it forever.

It would be a wet dream for Tibetans, Inner Mongolians, Xinjiangese, Taiwanese, northern China, southern China, Russians eyeing up northern Chinese borderlands, Indians along the Line of Actual Control, for the CCP to start a futile war against Australia.




China:
The People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China is one of the world's largest, with approximately
2.035 million active-duty personnel as of 2025,
supported by roughly 510,000 to 550,000 reserves. The PLA Ground Force, although shrinking in size to allow for modernization, remains a massive force, while the navy and air force have expanded, making it the top-ranked military in total active personnel.


Australia:
As of mid-2024, the Australian Army permanent force has approximately 27,700–28,500 active personnel, supported by over 15,000–22,000 active reservists. The total Australian Defence Force (ADF) permanent workforce is over 57,000, with government plans to increase the total defence workforce to over 100,000 by 2040.
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Reply #40 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:37pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:26pm:
China:
The People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China is one of the world's largest, with approximately
2.035 million active-duty personnel as of 2025,
supported by roughly 510,000 to 550,000 reserves. The PLA Ground Force, although shrinking in size to allow for modernization, remains a massive force, while the navy and air force have expanded, making it the top-ranked military in total active personnel.


Australia:
As of mid-2024, the Australian Army permanent force has approximately 27,700–28,500 active personnel, supported by over 15,000–22,000 active reservists. The total Australian Defence Force (ADF) permanent workforce is over 57,000, with government plans to increase the total defence workforce to over 100,000 by 2040.

The PLA is about as corrupt an organisation as any org can get.

It is more divided ethnically and culturally than any army on earth.

They have no experience fighting a major war.

The CCP has no allies to speak of in a war against Australia that would, for certain, include a war against the US, Japan and South Korea... likely also Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines...

And nevermind the internal uprisings of the Xinjiangese and Inner Mongolians... likely also the Tibetans and Hong Kongers.

Then the Russians and Indians bacon-slicing Chinese-controlled territory along their borders.

Why do you think the CCP hasn't even attempted to attack Taiwan?

The CCP cannot take its eyes of internal divisions for one week, let alone focus on a full-scale, bankrupting war for which they do not have even one week's experience in fighting.

The CCP can pot-bang about Taiwan, because Taiwan's allies let it... and that's it.
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Reply #41 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:43pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:26pm:
China:
The People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China is one of the world's largest, with approximately
2.035 million active-duty personnel as of 2025,
supported by roughly 510,000 to 550,000 reserves. The PLA Ground Force, although shrinking in size to allow for modernization, remains a massive force, while the navy and air force have expanded, making it the top-ranked military in total active personnel.


Australia:
As of mid-2024, the Australian Army permanent force has approximately 27,700–28,500 active personnel, supported by over 15,000–22,000 active reservists. The total Australian Defence Force (ADF) permanent workforce is over 57,000, with government plans to increase the total defence workforce to over 100,000 by 2040.

The PLA is about as corrupt an organisation as any org can get.

It is more divided ethnically and culturally than any army on earth.

They have no experience fighting a major war.

The CCP has no allies to speak of in a war against Australia that would, for certain, include a war against the US, Japan and South Korea... likely also Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines...

And nevermind the internal uprisings of the Xinjiangese and Inner Mongolians... likely also the Tibetans and Hong Kongers.

Then the Russians and Indians bacon-slicing Chinese-controlled territory along their borders.

Why do you think the CCP hasn't even attempted to attack Taiwan?

The CCP cannot take its eyes of internal divisions for one week, let alone focus on a full-scale, bankrupting war for which they do not have even one week's experience in fighting.

The CCP can pot-bang about Taiwan, because Taiwan's allies let it... and that's it.



Except if they forget about Taiwan and go for us instead.
Go where they are least expected.
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Reply #42 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:00pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:43pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:37pm:
Bobby. wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 3:26pm:
China:
The People's Liberation Army (PLA) of China is one of the world's largest, with approximately
2.035 million active-duty personnel as of 2025,
supported by roughly 510,000 to 550,000 reserves. The PLA Ground Force, although shrinking in size to allow for modernization, remains a massive force, while the navy and air force have expanded, making it the top-ranked military in total active personnel.


Australia:
As of mid-2024, the Australian Army permanent force has approximately 27,700–28,500 active personnel, supported by over 15,000–22,000 active reservists. The total Australian Defence Force (ADF) permanent workforce is over 57,000, with government plans to increase the total defence workforce to over 100,000 by 2040.

The PLA is about as corrupt an organisation as any org can get.

It is more divided ethnically and culturally than any army on earth.

They have no experience fighting a major war.

The CCP has no allies to speak of in a war against Australia that would, for certain, include a war against the US, Japan and South Korea... likely also Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, the Philippines...

And nevermind the internal uprisings of the Xinjiangese and Inner Mongolians... likely also the Tibetans and Hong Kongers.

Then the Russians and Indians bacon-slicing Chinese-controlled territory along their borders.

Why do you think the CCP hasn't even attempted to attack Taiwan?

The CCP cannot take its eyes of internal divisions for one week, let alone focus on a full-scale, bankrupting war for which they do not have even one week's experience in fighting.

The CCP can pot-bang about Taiwan, because Taiwan's allies let it... and that's it.



Except if they forget about Taiwan and go for us instead.
Go where they are least expected.

Yep, well... they don't dare take on Taiwan, only minutes from China's border. but theyll take on Australia with our Conga-line of guaranteed powerful allies, eh!

And wouldn't the separatist regions within China love it!

Also, Xi Jinping has just completed yet another purge of China's military high command, including two childhood friends who'd survived, alongside him, Mao's purges and his Cultural Revolution. Xi's all out of love among even his closest internal allies.

The only Conga line Xi has is the one with all those who'd string him up and hang him at the Forbidden City's gate of Heavenly Peace.
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Reply #43 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:10pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:00pm:
Yep, well... they don't dare take on Taiwan, only minutes from China's border. but theyll take on Australia with our Conga-line of guaranteed powerful allies, eh!

And wouldn't the separatist regions within China love it!

Also, Xi Jinping has just completed yet another purge of China's military high command, including two childhood friends who'd survived, alongside him, Mao's purges and his Cultural Revolution. Xi's all out of love among even his closest internal allies.

The only Conga line Xi has is the one with all those who'd string him up and hang him at the Forbidden City's gate of Heavenly Peace.



Xi is a ruthless, vicious dictator - he doesn't care about human life -
that's why we need to fear him.
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Reply #44 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 4:16pm
 
Frank wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 9:25am:
Why Europe’s elites have embraced sneering anti-Americanism


Expressing anger against America appears to be the one emotion that binds the European political establishment. As one Financial Times commentator explained earlier this month, ‘Trump is Europe’s best enemy yet’. He has apparently provided Europe with the ‘common foe’ it needs. It appears that anti-Americanism is now the glue holding together otherwise disoriented and divided European elites.

....


Contempt for the American way of life has always been particularly widespread among European intellectual and the cultural elites. Writing at the turn of the 20th century, British economist Sydney Brooks attributed the hostility to America to ‘envy of her prosperity and success’. Europeans, he wrote, ‘intensely resent the bearing of Americans… They hate the American form of swagger.’ They saw a country ‘crudely and completely immersed in materialism’.

One of the most famous slurs against the US came in the early 20th century, when French prime minister Georges Clemenceau sneered that, ‘America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilisation’.

During the Cold War years, Europe’s cultural elite continued to view America with a mixture of resentment and contempt. ‘America the violent, America the crass, America the inept have all become everyday images in Europe’, concluded the US ambassador in London in early 1987. This attitude has got much worse since. The well-known British author Margaret Drabble wrote in May 2003, two months after the invasion of Iraq:

‘It has possessed me like a disease. It rises in my throat like acid reflux… I can’t keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication. I detest Coca-Cola. I detest burgers. I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.’

Drabble’s visceral disgust towards America was shared throughout Europe. German theatre director Peter Zadek gave full vent to his prejudices against the American people during the Iraq War:

‘The Bush administration was more or less democratically elected, and it had the support of the majority of Americans in its Iraq War. One can therefore be against the Americans, just as most of the world was against the Germans in the Second World War. In this sense, I am an anti-American.’

Today, the European elites’ anti-American ideology has acquired a new dimension. It is now interwoven with their fear and loathing of the right-wing populism now rising within Europe itself. As Mark Leonard, director of the European Council on Foreign Relations, wrote in the Guardian last week:

‘European governments are terrified of Donald Trump’s threats on trade, Greenland and the future of NATO. But the biggest threat is not that Trump invades an ally or leaves Europe at the mercy of Russia. It is that his ideological movement could transform Europe from the inside.’
...

There is no reason to think that the populist surge in Europe will abate when Trump departs the White House. European elites, uncomfortable with the principle of national sovereignty, have long channelled decision-making away from the people and towards expert institutions, non-governmental organisations and international bodies. It is this profound democratic deficit, not the Trump White House, that has provided populist movements with their energy. They appeal to vast swathes of Europe’s national publics – to those, that is, who believe that they have been excluded from the decision-making that impacts their lives.

It is therefore unlikely that European elites’ increasingly shrill anti-Americanism will do much to dent the growing influence of populist parties. Nor can it create a European identity with widespread public appeal. As matters stand, European anti-Americanism is likely to emulate the post-Brexit ‘Remainer’ identity.Like Remainerism’s antipathy to British national sovereignty, this new Europeanism has little substantive content beyond its opposition to Trump’s America.


Rubio at the Munich conference:

https://youtu.be/yOjBJ89aeXA

"rule of (international) law is a delusion"....ok, back to 'might is right' and 'rule by terror'.

"we will always be a child of Europe"...but low and middle class are in the midst of a c-o-l crisis in EU and US. 

"we demand reciprocity" ...code for Europeans must  pay for NATO.

"faith in (our) God" - a delusion.

"We must compete in the "Global South"; how - given IMF policies crush development in the global south.








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