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Why Europe’s elites have embraced sneering anti-Americanism


Expressing anger against America appears to be the one emotion that binds the European political establishment. As one Financial Times commentator explained earlier this month, ‘Trump is Europe’s best enemy yet’. He has apparently provided Europe with the ‘common foe’ it needs. It appears that anti-Americanism is now the glue holding together otherwise disoriented and divided European elites.

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Contempt for the American way of life has always been particularly widespread among European intellectual and the cultural elites. Writing at the turn of the 20th century, British economist Sydney Brooks attributed the hostility to America to ‘envy of her prosperity and success’. Europeans, he wrote, ‘intensely resent the bearing of Americans… They hate the American form of swagger.’ They saw a country ‘crudely and completely immersed in materialism’.

One of the most famous slurs against the US came in the early 20th century, when French prime minister Georges Clemenceau sneered that, ‘America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilisation’.

During the Cold War years, Europe’s cultural elite continued to view America with a mixture of resentment and contempt. ‘America the violent, America the crass, America the inept have all become everyday images in Europe’, concluded the US ambassador in London in early 1987. This attitude has got much worse since. The well-known British author Margaret Drabble wrote in May 2003, two months after the invasion of Iraq:

‘It has possessed me like a disease. It rises in my throat like acid reflux… I can’t keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication. I detest Coca-Cola. I detest burgers. I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.’

Drabble’s visceral disgust towards America was shared throughout Europe. German theatre director Peter Zadek gave full vent to his prejudices against the American people during the Iraq War:

‘The Bush administration was more or less democratically elected, and it had the support of the majority of Americans in its Iraq War. One can therefore be against the Americans, just as most of the world was against the Germans in the Second World War. In this sense, I am an anti-American.’

Today, the European elites’ anti-American ideology has acquired a new dimension. It is now interwoven with their fear and loathing of the right-wing populism now rising within Europe itself. As Mark Leonard, director of the European Council on Foreign Relations, wrote in the Guardian last week:

‘European governments are terrified of Donald Trump’s threats on trade, Greenland and the future of NATO. But the biggest threat is not that Trump invades an ally or leaves Europe at the mercy of Russia. It is that his ideological movement could transform Europe from the inside.’
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There is no reason to think that the populist surge in Europe will abate when Trump departs the White House. European elites, uncomfortable with the principle of national sovereignty, have long channelled decision-making away from the people and towards expert institutions, non-governmental organisations and international bodies. It is this profound democratic deficit, not the Trump White House, that has provided populist movements with their energy. They appeal to vast swathes of Europe’s national publics – to those, that is, who believe that they have been excluded from the decision-making that impacts their lives.

It is therefore unlikely that European elites’ increasingly shrill anti-Americanism will do much to dent the growing influence of populist parties. Nor can it create a European identity with widespread public appeal. As matters stand, European anti-Americanism is likely to emulate the post-Brexit ‘Remainer’ identity.Like Remainerism’s antipathy to British national sovereignty, this new Europeanism has little substantive content beyond its opposition to Trump’s America.
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Frank wrote Yesterday at 9:25am:
Why Europe’s elites have embraced sneering anti-Americanism


Expressing anger against America appears to be the one emotion that binds the European political establishment. As one Financial Times commentator explained earlier this month, ‘Trump is Europe’s best enemy yet’. He has apparently provided Europe with the ‘common foe’ it needs. It appears that anti-Americanism is now the glue holding together otherwise disoriented and divided European elites.

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Contempt for the American way of life has always been particularly widespread among European intellectual and the cultural elites. Writing at the turn of the 20th century, British economist Sydney Brooks attributed the hostility to America to ‘envy of her prosperity and success’. Europeans, he wrote, ‘intensely resent the bearing of Americans… They hate the American form of swagger.’ They saw a country ‘crudely and completely immersed in materialism’.

One of the most famous slurs against the US came in the early 20th century, when French prime minister Georges Clemenceau sneered that, ‘America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilisation’.

During the Cold War years, Europe’s cultural elite continued to view America with a mixture of resentment and contempt. ‘America the violent, America the crass, America the inept have all become everyday images in Europe’, concluded the US ambassador in London in early 1987. This attitude has got much worse since. The well-known British author Margaret Drabble wrote in May 2003, two months after the invasion of Iraq:

‘It has possessed me like a disease. It rises in my throat like acid reflux… I can’t keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication. I detest Coca-Cola. I detest burgers. I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.’

Drabble’s visceral disgust towards America was shared throughout Europe. German theatre director Peter Zadek gave full vent to his prejudices against the American people during the Iraq War:

‘The Bush administration was more or less democratically elected, and it had the support of the majority of Americans in its Iraq War. One can therefore be against the Americans, just as most of the world was against the Germans in the Second World War. In this sense, I am an anti-American.’

Today, the European elites’ anti-American ideology has acquired a new dimension. It is now interwoven with their fear and loathing of the right-wing populism now rising within Europe itself. As Mark Leonard, director of the European Council on Foreign Relations, wrote in the Guardian last week:

‘European governments are terrified of Donald Trump’s threats on trade, Greenland and the future of NATO. But the biggest threat is not that Trump invades an ally or leaves Europe at the mercy of Russia. It is that his ideological movement could transform Europe from the inside.’
...

There is no reason to think that the populist surge in Europe will abate when Trump departs the White House. European elites, uncomfortable with the principle of national sovereignty, have long channelled decision-making away from the people and towards expert institutions, non-governmental organisations and international bodies. It is this profound democratic deficit, not the Trump White House, that has provided populist movements with their energy. They appeal to vast swathes of Europe’s national publics – to those, that is, who believe that they have been excluded from the decision-making that impacts their lives.

It is therefore unlikely that European elites’ increasingly shrill anti-Americanism will do much to dent the growing influence of populist parties. Nor can it create a European identity with widespread public appeal. As matters stand, European anti-Americanism is likely to emulate the post-Brexit ‘Remainer’ identity.Like Remainerism’s antipathy to British national sovereignty, this new Europeanism has little substantive content beyond its opposition to Trump’s America.


Being anti Trump isn't anti Americanism. Trump is America's greatest current enemy.
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Dnarever is like NATO. Upset he can't grift off America because of Trump
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AIMLESS EXTENTION OF KNOWLEDGE HOWEVER, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK YOU REALLY MEAN BY THE TERM 'CURIOSITY', IS MERELY INEFFICIENCY. I AM DESIGNED TO AVOID INEFFICIENCY.
 
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Dnarever wrote Yesterday at 9:26am:
Being anti Trump isn't anti Americanism. Trump is America's greatest current enemy.

While it's true that being anti-Trump isn't anti-Americanism, it's also true that Americans deserve Trump.

Philip Roth defined it well when he characterised the collective American psyche as being prone to an 'indigenous American berserk'. He referred to it as a vestige of the American Revolution, in that the country is under imminent threat of attack and annihilation by an unseen or covert enemy.

The British, the French, the Spanish, the Indians, the northerners, the Latin Americans, the Europeans, the communists, Satan worshippers, the Muslims, a rising China, a rising anywhere... every American era requires a mortal enemy that demands a collective violent kneejerk response... Tariffs, ICE, anti-Europeanism, the anti-Chinese pogroms, the anti-Muslim pogroms, rooting out PDfiles running an operation out of a pizza joint, or a cabal of presidential and senatorial baby eaters...

The antidote usually comes suddenly and unexpectedly, when the berserk can end overnight... Maybe labelling Canada as a potential existential threat might be the latest antidote.
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Yes. Maybe Americans (Media Americans) can go back to UFOs like they did under Biden. Ahh reality (via a TV)
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Jasin wrote Yesterday at 9:48am:
Yes. Maybe Americans (Media Americans) can go back to UFOs like they did under Biden. Ahh reality (via a TV)

Yep, that's another perceived American 'enemy'... Aliens...

For Americans, aliens were obsessed with anal probes... or was that just Appalachian Americans??!!
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Frank is partly correct. He was at 49% and now it's 38%.
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It was pre-Trump American spaghetti Westernism to have the population believe in higher beings (the Govt) above them. Pretty ingenious, but very god-like as a lie.
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Jasin wrote Yesterday at 9:55am:
It was pre-Trump American spaghetti Westernism to have the population believe in higher beings (the Govt) above them. Pretty ingenious, but very god-like as a lie.

Americans are 17th-century European goddists, so they've always had a higher power who might be peering through the windows at them while they masturbate!
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Historically, European anti-Americanism often emphasised the moral inferiority of American people and their way of life. Jesper Gulddal’s review of anti-Americanism in 19th-century European literature showed that authors from France, Britain and Germany ‘argued emphatically that America’s lack of tradition and culture, as well as its materialism, vulgarity, religious bigotry and political immaturity constituted not only the essence of this country’s very being but that they would also somehow infest Europe’.

Contempt for the American way of life has always been particularly widespread among European intellectual and the cultural elites. Writing at the turn of the 20th century, British economist Sydney Brooks attributed the hostility to America to ‘envy of her prosperity and success’. Europeans, he wrote, ‘intensely resent the bearing of Americans… They hate the American form of swagger.’ They saw a country ‘crudely and completely immersed in materialism’.

One of the most famous slurs against the US came in the early 20th century, when French prime minister Georges Clemenceau sneered that, ‘America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone directly from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilisation’.

During the Cold War years, Europe’s cultural elite continued to view America with a mixture of resentment and contempt. ‘America the violent, America the crass, America the inept have all become everyday images in Europe’, concluded the US ambassador in London in early 1987. This attitude has got much worse since. The well-known British author Margaret Drabble wrote in May 2003, two months after the invasion of Iraq:

‘It has possessed me like a disease. It rises in my throat like acid reflux… I can’t keep it down any longer. I detest Disneyfication. I detest Coca-Cola. I detest burgers. I detest sentimental and violent Hollywood movies that tell lies about history.’

Drabble’s visceral disgust towards America was shared throughout Europe. German theatre director Peter Zadek gave full vent to his prejudices against the American people during the Iraq War:

‘The Bush administration was more or less democratically elected, and it had the support of the majority of Americans in its Iraq War. One can therefore be against the Americans, just as most of the world was against the Germans in the Second World War. In this sense, I am an anti-American.’

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It's nothing new. Today they say it's Trump, yestrday it was Bush, before that Reagan, Before that it was the liberating yankee soldiers, 'oversexed, overpaid, overe here'. In goes back centuries.

Europe neutered itself completely in the 20th century. They have nobody but themselves to blame.

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Another pillar of the collective American psyche is the delusion that they're the freest nation on earth... Even their songs reflect this sneering Americanism... as in 'I'm proud to be an American where at least I know I'm free'.

And nevermind that the USA consistently barely makes the top 20 in the World Freedom Index, with nearly all Western European countries, Canada, Australia and New Zealand consistently beating them in nearly every freedom index category.
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Even today, American 17th-century goddism inhibits American would-be politicians and incumbents from admitting they're atheists... To do so would be political suicide... Americans equate atheism with Satanism - being incapable of comprehending a world where there's no supernatural power peering over their shoulder when they take a piss.

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The UK had a bigger one than the Yanks.  Britain was great. Now it  moves on into post-colonial repairs.
The US can't handle the downward slope and has to be great again. Anything will do, smash Venezuela or Greenland or Obama.
ICE can do it.
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chimera wrote Yesterday at 10:25am:
The UK had a bigger one than the Yanks.  Britain was great. Now it  moves on into post-colonial repairs.
The US can't handle the downward slope and has to be great again. Anything will do, smash Venezuela or Greenland or Obama.
ICE can do it.

Americans need an enemy... a domestic one is fine if there's nothing else, but it doesn't beat an Asian one...

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MeisterEckhart wrote Yesterday at 10:23am:
Even today, American 17th-century goddism inhibits American would-be politicians and incumbents from admitting they're atheists... To do so would be political suicide... Americans equate atheism with Satanism - being incapable of comprehending a world where there's no supernatural power peering over their shoulder when they take a piss.


Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

You do have a sneering anti-American bee in your bonnet.
Sense of proportion - zero.


The most religious countries in the world, primarily located in the Middle East, Africa, and South Asia, are defined by high rates of daily prayer, religious attendance, and the importance of faith in daily life, with Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and India often ranking at the top. These nations often have constitutions or societal norms deeply rooted in religious law.
Based on various studies, here are the top 10 most religious countries, often characterized by over 90% of their populations reporting high levels of religious devotion:

Indonesia (Highest reported religiosity, often >95%)
Saudi Arabia (Center of Islam, high religious adherence)
Iran (Deeply religious society, strong influence of Islam)
Somalia (Extremely high levels of faith, often >95%)
Niger (Strongly religious, often >95%)
Jordan (High percentage of religious adherence, approx. 95%)
Bangladesh (High religious devotion)
Egypt (Strong cultural and personal reliance on faith)
Nigeria (Extremely high religious importance)
India (High importance of religion and diverse practices)


All Muslims and a Hindu.

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