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Reply #90 - Yesterday at 9:47am
 
'For large, long-term, high-rise projects, purchasing a tower crane might be considered, with costs ranging from $.3-1.5 mill.'

These would have 100-200 units adding $1,500 to $15,000. The land cost goes down by the same rate.
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Reply #91 - Yesterday at 10:00am
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 9:03am:
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the greens didnt come up with the idea that australian real estate trades at income multiples on a near nation wide basis  that are not seen basically anywhere in the world


That's because our houses are also bigger and better than most other places in the world. The price of a house reflects not just the cost of supplying it, but also what people are willing to pay. Australians seem to value a big house on a big block. People overseas are more than happy to raise a family in an apartment.


new houses tend to be larger, they absolutely are not better than most oecd countries house quality (sh1t insulation and build quality, doors/windows not fitted to frames etc), even controlled for on a square m basis they are more expensive, and it's mostly due to the cost of land thanks to supply demand imbalances created by immigration policy and perverse incentives. even dilapidated sh1thouse houses many decades old trade at obscene multiples, it's a demand side problem.


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Who do you think WK is representing?


what's WK sorry. greens don't give a f__ck and palm off the issue to vague b.s about building more public housing which is about as likely to be an effective 'solution' as all other proposed supply side solutions proffered by both liberal and labor (build more houses, cut supposed 'red tape), etc. ofc they don't want to do something that would actually impact prices, like materially cut immigration etc etc.

greens are a social issues party now, not an ecological or economic issues party if they ever were more of the latter to begin with.
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Reply #92 - Yesterday at 10:12am
 
In Victoria, new apartments cost roughly $2,500 - $4,000 /m2, whereas standalone houses typically range from $1,800 - $3,000 /m2.
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Reply #93 - Yesterday at 10:19am
 
That would be the high-rise cost of reducing land cost.  Total price is less in general.
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Reply #94 - Yesterday at 10:25am
 
If the apartment is small, but then you have Body Corporate Fees to take into account.
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Reply #95 - Yesterday at 10:55am
 
Total price to floor size is roughly similar, with units generally having location advantage.
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Reply #96 - Yesterday at 11:22am
 
Meanwhile ...

Up to 42 per cent of units sold have traded at a loss in some of Melbourne’s inner south-east suburbs earmarked for more development, prompting expert warnings about the feasibility of delivering more high-rises in the area.

The suburbs of Armadale, Malvern, Prahran, South Yarra and Windsor have been added to the Victorian government’s list of 60 train and tram activity centres, to allow denser housing close to public transport.

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Malvern, Prahran and South Yarra will have pockets that permit buildings up to 16 storeys, while parts of Armadale and Windsor have been approved for buildings up to 10 storeys.

In these suburbs, a sizeable proportion of units have been selling at a loss, the most recent data from property research group Cotality shows.

In South Yarra, 41.9 per cent of units sold were loss-making in the three months to November 2025, while in Prahran it was 34.9 per cent.

There were losses in Windsor (25 per cent), Malvern (22.7 per cent) and Armadale (17.3 per cent).

Quantify Strategic Insights head of data Angie Zigomanis said while these locations had good amenity and infrastructure, developers would find it challenging to build the kind of apartments owner-occupiers wanted to live in at a price that was affordable, due to higher construction and development costs and elevated interest rates.

https://www.theage.com.au/property/news/melbourne-suburbs-where-units-sell-at-a-...
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Reply #97 - Yesterday at 11:25am
 
Victoria: the die hard Leftism State (followed by QLD then WA).
This is what Leftism has done Nationally at Federal, via The Anus.
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Reply #98 - Yesterday at 12:38pm
 
JC Denton wrote Yesterday at 10:00am:
....greens don't give a f__ck and palm off the issue to vague b.s about building more public housing which is about as likely to be an effective 'solution' as all other proposed supply side solutions proffered by both liberal and labor (build more houses, cut supposed 'red tape), etc. ofc they don't want to do something that would actually impact prices, like materially cut immigration etc etc.


Menzies maintained sufficient public housing while encouraging private ownership, in a scenario of increasing immigration.  Study how he did it ( .. in the post- war Keynesian 'welfare state'/ deficit-spending era...) 

You need both public and private,  to prevent the private profit-driven developers from pushing up prices to unsustainable levels.


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Well, Greens are a 'one trick pony', ie 'tax the rich' to rebuild public housing.
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Reply #100 - Yesterday at 3:33pm
 
JC Denton wrote Yesterday at 10:00am:
freediver wrote Yesterday at 9:03am:
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the greens didnt come up with the idea that australian real estate trades at income multiples on a near nation wide basis  that are not seen basically anywhere in the world


That's because our houses are also bigger and better than most other places in the world. The price of a house reflects not just the cost of supplying it, but also what people are willing to pay. Australians seem to value a big house on a big block. People overseas are more than happy to raise a family in an apartment.


new houses tend to be larger, they absolutely are not better than most oecd countries house quality (sh1t insulation and build quality, doors/windows not fitted to frames etc), even controlled for on a square m basis they are more expensive, and it's mostly due to the cost of land thanks to supply demand imbalances created by immigration policy and perverse incentives. even dilapidated sh1thouse houses many decades old trade at obscene multiples, it's a demand side problem.


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Who do you think WK is representing?


what's WK sorry. greens don't give a f__ck and palm off the issue to vague b.s about building more public housing which is about as likely to be an effective 'solution' as all other proposed supply side solutions proffered by both liberal and labor (build more houses, cut supposed 'red tape), etc. ofc they don't want to do something that would actually impact prices, like materially cut immigration etc etc.

greens are a social issues party now, not an ecological or economic issues party if they ever were more of the latter to begin with.


They can do that. They are a minor party. So they never have to deliver. The last time they held any sort of power they gave us the carbon tax. A policy I strongly support. But now all they talk about is communism, which makes me wary.

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they absolutely are not better than most oecd countries


Do you have any evidence for that?

That Australian houses are not as well insulated as Canadian ones makes perfect sense. No point spending a fortune on insulation if you never shut the windows.
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Reply #101 - Yesterday at 5:07pm
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 3:33pm:
That Australian houses are not as well insulated as Canadian ones makes perfect sense. No point spending a fortune on insulation if you never shut the windows.

Oh, really! Ask immigrants from Canada, Scandanavia and Switzerland, and they will tell you, almost as one, that Australian houses are the coldest they've ever lived in, in their lives... and yes, they do shut the windows.

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Reply #102 - Yesterday at 5:12pm
 
In Canada, being warm is a luxury. Often a necessity for survival. Here it is a curse.
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Reply #103 - Yesterday at 5:13pm
 
Do you guys really think anus was a good pick ?
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Reply #104 - Yesterday at 5:15pm
 
I don't know much about him, other than the fact he is from the far right faction. Which suggests to me the Liberals are going to continue their slide into minor party status.
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