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Reply #45 - Yesterday at 2:46pm

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2026 at 9:07pm:

Angus has one job.

Stop the self destruction of the LNP and focus on finding $$$ for the next election.

Clearly the LNP is now in a desperate battle to come second.

I hope they win it personally

Don't tell Angus what you think his job description is.

At a news media circus, he rightly elected the economy and c-o-l as the issue most Aussies are concerned about, and the issue he would be "100% addressing" - by cutting taxes and reducing government spending, of coirse.

He is either totally dumb - despite his PhD in economcs - or just ideologically crippled:

(google)

The "trickle-down fallacy" refers to the widely criticized economic theory that reducing taxes on corporations and the wealthy stimulates economic growth that benefits all income levels. Critics argue this approach fails, widening income inequality and concentrating wealth at the top rather than creating promised widespread prosperity.

Your cynicism about politics, and ignorance of alterntive economic systems, is the reason why democracies are failing, as disillusioned voters are fleeing to the 'populist' right.

.....or the the refreshing Left, like Mamdani in NY, ie, away from the failed policies of the political "centre" which is welded to failing mainstream Neoclassical economics.

Even Sky News can see the problem (but doesn't know how to fix it.....):

(Sky News)

‘Powerful forces being unleashed’: Crisis of ‘uncertainty’ driving One Nation vote

Redbridge Group Director Simon Welsh claims economic uncertainty is driving the One Nation vote.

“We have seen on the right what this kind of uncertainty and anxiety can produce, and it’s absolutely driving this One Nation vote,” Mr Welsh told Sky News Australia.

“It’s all the same crisis… It’s economic, it’s social, it’s global.

“These are pretty powerful forces that are being unleashed.”

........

"It's the economy. stupid".......hence the question:

"Where's the money coming from".

Politicians haven't got a clue, hence their silly political games.

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Re: Angus Taylor elected new LNP leader
Reply #46 - Yesterday at 2:55pm

Sir Grappler Truth Teller OAM wrote Yesterday at 11:17am:

ProudKangaroo wrote Yesterday at 11:10am:

Great work shifting the deck chairs around on the Titanic.

Now that was a perfect deck chair shift... you try hard ...

Anyway - I forgot to add they need to push for reliable power etc as well.

You see - it does't matter what they did in the past - in your eyes - what matters is what they are going to do for the future.

Smart people wait for that ..... instead of just being negative all the time...

Taylor says he will fix the economy and restore economic wellbeing for all Aussies by...(drum roll).... "cutting taxes and government spending"

Does that fit your concept of "something new in the future"?

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Re: Angus Taylor elected new LNP leader
Reply #49 - Yesterday at 3:25pm

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2026 at 8:49pm:

The votes have been counted and Susso is now on her way to buy more investment properties on the Gold Coast but now she has to pay for her own accommodation, travel and food rather then stealing from the Australian taxpayers.

“Fantastic. Great move. Well done Angus.”

“ Angus Taylor

The very few LNP supporters left will pause their move to One Nation and give Angus a chance.

Something had to be done . Duddo & Susso was and is a complete disaster and failure of leadership for the LNP.

This is not about Angus leading the LNP to victory anytime in the next decade.

This is all about shoring up votes and the commonwealth system of paying each party $$ for each vote they receive.

The LNP is not financial in a good position.

As headlines talk up One Nation donors $$ will shift to Pauline.

I sincerely doubt Malcom Turnbull is going to fund another LNP election so they are desperate to shore up the election $ for each vote.

Angus job is. To find away too stop the LNP bleeding money.

Without coin they will become extinct.

The party that calls itself the financial managers are very close to being broke.

Therein lies the problem. It would have been better for Ley to remain in charge and continue to oversee the Liberals slide into oblivion while the remaining voters turned to ON.

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Re: Angus Taylor elected new LNP leader
Reply #50 - Yesterday at 3:43pm

Belgarion wrote Yesterday at 3:25pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2026 at 8:49pm:

The votes have been counted and Susso is now on her way to buy more investment properties on the Gold Coast but now she has to pay for her own accommodation, travel and food rather then stealing from the Australian taxpayers.

“Fantastic. Great move. Well done Angus.”

“ Angus Taylor

The very few LNP supporters left will pause their move to One Nation and give Angus a chance.

Something had to be done . Duddo & Susso was and is a complete disaster and failure of leadership for the LNP.

This is not about Angus leading the LNP to victory anytime in the next decade.

This is all about shoring up votes and the commonwealth system of paying each party $$ for each vote they receive.

The LNP is not financial in a good position.

As headlines talk up One Nation donors $$ will shift to Pauline.

I sincerely doubt Malcom Turnbull is going to fund another LNP election so they are desperate to shore up the election $ for each vote.

Angus job is. To find away too stop the LNP bleeding money.

Without coin they will become extinct.

The party that calls itself the financial managers are very close to being broke.

Therein lies the problem. It would have been better for Ley to remain in charge and continue to oversee the Liberals slide into oblivion while the remaining voters turned to ON.

Better for whom?

The Libs don't see it your way...

Can you tell us how ON will raise living standards for all while cutting taxes?

"One Nation’s tax policy focuses on easing cost-of-living pressures for families and reducing government expenditure. Key proposals include allowing couples with children to split their income for tax purposes, cutting fuel excise by 26 cents per litre, abolishing GST on insurance, and removing excise on alcohol at venues, while potentially slashing $90 billion in Commonwealth spending."

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 19921 Gender:	Re: Angus Taylor elected new LNP leader Reply #51 - Yesterday at 3:48pm thegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 3:43pm: Can you tell us how ON will raise living standards while cutting taxes? But you say we don't need to raise taxes.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 117059 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Angus Taylor elected new LNP leader Reply #52 - Yesterday at 3:49pm LNP never again wrote Yesterday at 3:09pm: Get ready for single digit poll numbers Angus - with the help of Pauline will come up with a formula to save us all:
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Re: Angus Taylor elected new LNP leader
Reply #53 - Yesterday at 3:59pm

lee wrote Yesterday at 3:48pm:

thegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 3:43pm:

Can you tell us how ON will raise living standards while cutting taxes?

But you say we don't need to raise taxes. Roll Eyes

We don't - but very few understand how money is created, so until the penny drops in Uni economics depts., we are stuck with the present system.

Even Musk, while claiming (re the AI boom) "currencies will become irrelevant", and "work will be optional", doesn't know how money is created - though he knows how to rake it in....

Amazingly he said the problem will be DEflation because of "lack of money supply" to enable consumers to purchase all the goods and services made possible by AI-informed production.

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Re: Angus Taylor elected new LNP leader
Reply #54 - Yesterday at 4:00pm

thegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 3:43pm:

Belgarion wrote Yesterday at 3:25pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2026 at 8:49pm:

The votes have been counted and Susso is now on her way to buy more investment properties on the Gold Coast but now she has to pay for her own accommodation, travel and food rather then stealing from the Australian taxpayers.

“Fantastic. Great move. Well done Angus.”

“ Angus Taylor

The very few LNP supporters left will pause their move to One Nation and give Angus a chance.

Something had to be done . Duddo & Susso was and is a complete disaster and failure of leadership for the LNP.

This is not about Angus leading the LNP to victory anytime in the next decade.

This is all about shoring up votes and the commonwealth system of paying each party $$ for each vote they receive.

The LNP is not financial in a good position.

As headlines talk up One Nation donors $$ will shift to Pauline.

I sincerely doubt Malcom Turnbull is going to fund another LNP election so they are desperate to shore up the election $ for each vote.

Angus job is. To find away too stop the LNP bleeding money.

Without coin they will become extinct.

The party that calls itself the financial managers are very close to being broke.

Therein lies the problem. It would have been better for Ley to remain in charge and continue to oversee the Liberals slide into oblivion while the remaining voters turned to ON.

Better for whom?

The Libs don't see it your way...

Can you tell us how ON will raise living standards for all while cutting taxes?

"One Nation’s tax policy focuses on easing cost-of-living pressures for families and reducing government expenditure. Key proposals include allowing couples with children to split their income for tax purposes, cutting fuel excise by 26 cents per litre, abolishing GST on insurance, and removing excise on alcohol at venues, while potentially slashing $90 billion in Commonwealth spending."

There are plenty of areas where government spending can be cut... Funding foreign terrorists for example, or 'renewables' grifters, or NDIS scammers..the list goes on...

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Re: Angus Taylor elected new LNP leader
Reply #55 - Yesterday at 4:12pm

Belgarion wrote Yesterday at 4:00pm:

thegreatdivide wrote Yesterday at 3:43pm:

Belgarion wrote Yesterday at 3:25pm:

Daves2017 wrote on Feb 12^th, 2026 at 8:49pm:

The votes have been counted and Susso is now on her way to buy more investment properties on the Gold Coast but now she has to pay for her own accommodation, travel and food rather then stealing from the Australian taxpayers.

“Fantastic. Great move. Well done Angus.”

“ Angus Taylor

The very few LNP supporters left will pause their move to One Nation and give Angus a chance.

Something had to be done . Duddo & Susso was and is a complete disaster and failure of leadership for the LNP.

This is not about Angus leading the LNP to victory anytime in the next decade.

This is all about shoring up votes and the commonwealth system of paying each party $$ for each vote they receive.

The LNP is not financial in a good position.

As headlines talk up One Nation donors $$ will shift to Pauline.

I sincerely doubt Malcom Turnbull is going to fund another LNP election so they are desperate to shore up the election $ for each vote.

Angus job is. To find away too stop the LNP bleeding money.

Without coin they will become extinct.

The party that calls itself the financial managers are very close to being broke.

Therein lies the problem. It would have been better for Ley to remain in charge and continue to oversee the Liberals slide into oblivion while the remaining voters turned to ON.

Better for whom?

The Libs don't see it your way...

Can you tell us how ON will raise living standards for all while cutting taxes?

"One Nation’s tax policy focuses on easing cost-of-living pressures for families and reducing government expenditure. Key proposals include allowing couples with children to split their income for tax purposes, cutting fuel excise by 26 cents per litre, abolishing GST on insurance, and removing excise on alcohol at venues, while potentially slashing $90 billion in Commonwealth spending."

There are plenty of areas where government spending can be cut... Funding foreign terrorists for example,

maybe $1 billion?

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or 'renewables' grifters,

Actually, the Oz treasury COULD fund provision of solar + battery on every Oz rooftop, providing nearly free household energy, while avoiding the need for massive large scale grid and storage upgrade. China is a willing seller of PVs and batteries, so no 'supply push' inflation in Oz.

(The only reason I don't buy my own system is I don't have the spare cash at the moment).

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or NDIS scammers..

..due to outsourcing of services to the private sector.

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the list goes on...

Yeh, but $90 billion in savings isn't easy tp find, as Galagher will tell you....and ON and the Libs wont identify.

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Re: Angus Taylor elected new LNP leader
Reply #56 - Yesterday at 4:19pm

Someone reported a press conference - this is what he said the Liberals stand for:

- Australian's deserve to own homes
- immigration policy that puts Australians first – Australian values at centre of those policies.
- lower inflation, lower interest rates, lower taxes.
- government must live within it's means, so Australians have the means to live.
- grow the economy so it delivers for you
- energy policy based on common sense
- get rid of labors carbon taxes, on vehicles and electricity
- not force every family into a universal system for daycare.

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Reply #57 - Yesterday at 4:50pm

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 4:19pm:

Someone reported a press conference - this is what he said the Liberals stand for:

- Australian's deserve to own homes

"Deserve" to own homes?

Well...a home to live in is essential, ownership is unrealistic for low income groups given current private market prices.

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- immigration policy that puts Australians first – Australian values at centre of those policies.

Including stealing the most qualified workers from poor overseas countries?

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- lower inflation, lower interest rates, lower taxes.

The 'trickle down' fallacy

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- government must live within it's means, so Australians have the means to live.

A cute slogan, based on igorance of the fact govts. ISSUE money - (and could be authorized to fund the public sector for free, (ie without needing 'taxpayer money', or borrowing money), unlike households who USE money and must earn or borrow it .

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- grow the economy so it delivers for you

Another political slogan lacking substance: how do achieve it?

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- energy policy based on common sense

You mean..not based on science....

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- get rid of labors carbon taxes, on vehicles and electricity

Yes, see above...

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- not force every family into a universal system for daycare.

So - restrict it to those who can't afford daycare....sounds sensible but difficult for the bureaucracy to measure.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 117059 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Angus Taylor elected new LNP leader Reply #58 - Yesterday at 4:52pm Quote: grow the economy so it delivers for you TGD, Quote: Another political slogan lacking substance: how do achieve it? I assume he means value adding?
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Reply #59 - Yesterday at 5:06pm

Bobby. wrote Yesterday at 4:52pm:

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grow the economy so it delivers for you

TGD,
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Another political slogan lacking substance: how do achieve it?

I assume he means value adding?

Well he needs to say it, and how to do it, given value-adding while competing with China isn't profitable in the private sector.

eg apparently a (US-owned) lithium refining company in WA closed today (with the loss of 400 jobs) because it can't compete on world markets.

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