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Reply #165 - Today at 11:54am
 
The counter-strike was launched yesterday, or Saturday - news story about apprentices benefiting so much from $10,000 to pave their way to trades - but gee whoa on there, Pilgrims - we 'need' more tradies than that to build the much needed 'homes'* so some asshole can buy investment and force the peons into permanent servitude and worthlessness neofeudally.... so , hold it right there - we 'need' to import more tradespeople..... and their extended families etc since we dont have GUEST WORKER VISAS.

Now I don't know how that sits with you, pardner - but to me I smell one mighty big gutter skunk right there...


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.. meaning flocks of bats since there's no falcon room left in the major city centres for real homes to bebuilt.... now then - what about forcing banks to  advance HOME loans first and investor vultures second?  Hawkie shot us all in both feet when he and his Undertaker 'de-regulated' the banks and turned them loose to create mega profits and mega inflation .... and with the mandatory dual income family or single massive income needed just to buy a home now.  All massively inflationary out of control 'social security progressive' ideas that literally f
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cked the joint ... yet strangely managed to benefit the 'insiders' and the vultures ..... funny that
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Reply #166 - Today at 12:01pm
 
Gnads wrote Today at 11:33am:
thegreatdivide wrote Today at 11:21am:
freediver wrote Today at 9:24am:
Dnarever wrote Today at 8:59am:
freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:42pm:
You know they were never intended to be absolute terms, right? They are always defined relative to everyone else.


Compared relatively to everyone else of the 1950's 60's and 70's both Labor and the Liberals have moved substantually to the right side of politics. Menzies of the 50's and 60's was considered to be rather extreeme right where his position of that day would today be considered moderate left.


It depends which measure.


eg housing everyone via a mix of public and private housing, at a time of high immigration? ?

Menzies achived it, neither Lab nor Lib can achieve it.


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Most people would say we have moved right economically by selling off state owned assets, but that is actually economic liberalism.


That's right - and Neoliberalism after many years of globalization is the cause of the econmic dysfunction which is ruining democrcies all around the world. Hence MAGA....


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On social measures, we have moved left.


No more "white Australia?




High migration numbers under Menzies? What were the migration numbers per year then?

Nowhere near what is coming in under Albo - & too many of the wrong kinds.


A sensible question at least.

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Absolute Numbers vs. Proportions:

The Albanese era has seen record-high absolute numbers, with over 1,000 net new migrants arriving per day since June 2022. However, analysts note that the proportion of immigrants relative to the total population was significantly higher in the late 1960s than today.


Menzies achieved high growth in the Oz economy under those circumstances.

What's wrong with  today's politicians? (Hint: failing neoliberailsm,  in an increasingly globalised world under neo-liberal WTO rules.

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During the Menzies era (1949–1966), Australia experienced a period of sustained economic growth, often referred to as a "golden age," with real GDP growth frequently exceeding 6% in some years. The economy nearly doubled in size over his time in office.

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Reply #167 - Today at 12:06pm
 
Frank wrote Today at 11:39am:
The long and the short of it:


'Standards too low, numbers too high': Refreshed Liberal Party poised for immigration cuts


Well, we do need more builders, nurses, and farm workers; and the independent candidate in the Farrer by-election is running on that very point.
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Reply #168 - Today at 12:40pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote Today at 11:21am:
freediver wrote Today at 9:24am:
Dnarever wrote Today at 8:59am:
freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:42pm:
You know they were never intended to be absolute terms, right? They are always defined relative to everyone else.


Compared relatively to everyone else of the 1950's 60's and 70's both Labor and the Liberals have moved substantually to the right side of politics. Menzies of the 50's and 60's was considered to be rather extreeme right where his position of that day would today be considered moderate left.


It depends which measure.


eg housing everyone via a mix of public and private housing, at a time of high immigration? ?

Menzies achived it


Crap.

And he actually reduced public housing.
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Reply #169 - Today at 1:07pm
 
Jasin wrote Yesterday at 6:03pm:
This is all proven by Universities and engineers. Something the local Councils and conventional Builders don't want you to hear because Straw Bale is 77% cheaper (max) on the Build cost.


So builders aren't interested in finding cheaper products to build with?

Or no-one wants a house that will turn into mulch in 12 months?
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Reply #170 - Today at 1:19pm
 
freediver wrote Today at 1:07pm:
Jasin wrote Yesterday at 6:03pm:
This is all proven by Universities and engineers. Something the local Councils and conventional Builders don't want you to hear because Straw Bale is 77% cheaper (max) on the Build cost.


So builders aren't interested in finding cheaper products to build with?

Or no-one wants a house that will turn into mulch in 12 months?

According to Canadians, Europeans etc, who commit to building houses here according to Canadian/European specs, they'll tell you there isn't the culture, the expertise, or the will to build houses that are energy efficient... so the building costs according to those specs are through the roof.

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Reply #171 - Today at 1:26pm
 
*buzz
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Both wrong.
Builders want home buyers to spend big.
Hence only building Block mansions at $300,000 more than the usual.

Builders and 'their' Councils opposed Staw Bale since the late 80's.
But since then, more and more Engineers & University tests proved their superior qualities and forced Councils to accept and builders to stop harass.

I myself helped build the Garden building at Carrs Park, Kogarah for the Council which realised the financial benefit for a building built in just 2 days. Despite the abuse from builders turning up to harass to no avail.  Grin

Straw Bale is the choice for fire prone areas.
I've even worked on a mansion in Wollongong building one.

Only a fool wouldn't build one for a house which the only flaw is that it has to be built on raised earth so water doesn't collect and sit at the base.
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Reply #172 - Today at 1:34pm
 
Jasin wrote Today at 1:26pm:
*buzz
*buzz

Both wrong.
Builders want home buyers to spend big.
Hence only building Block mansions at $300,000 more than the usual.

Builders and 'their' Councils opposed Staw Bale since the late 80's.
But since then, more and more Engineers & University tests proved their superior qualities and forced Councils to accept and builders to stop harass.

I myself helped build the Garden building at Carrs Park, Kogarah for the Council which realised the financial benefit for a building built in just 2 days. Despite the abuse from builders turning up to harass to no avail.  Grin

Straw Bale is the choice for fire prone areas.
I've even worked on a mansion in Wollongong building one.

Only a fool wouldn't build one for a house which the only flaw is that it has to be built on raised earth so water doesn't collect and sit at the base.

Ask immigrants who want to build to European/Canadian standards what the cost blowouts are...

You can't build what you don't have the local expertise available to build... nevermind the materials... unless you import it, expertise and all.
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Reply #173 - Today at 2:31pm
 
freediver wrote Today at 12:40pm:
thegreatdivide wrote Today at 11:21am:
freediver wrote Today at 9:24am:
Dnarever wrote Today at 8:59am:
freediver wrote Yesterday at 7:42pm:
You know they were never intended to be absolute terms, right? They are always defined relative to everyone else.


Compared relatively to everyone else of the 1950's 60's and 70's both Labor and the Liberals have moved substantually to the right side of politics. Menzies of the 50's and 60's was considered to be rather extreeme right where his position of that day would today be considered moderate left.


It depends which measure.


eg housing everyone via a mix of public and private housing, at a time of high immigration? ?

Menzies achieved it


Crap.


At least Gnads asked a sensible question, for which I supplied the figures (see #166); do you only read replies to your own posts?  (Might explain your ignorance of economic history.)

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And he actually reduced public housing.


At a time when public housing remained a significant part of the Oz housing portfolio.




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Reply #174 - Today at 2:44pm
 
Speaking of Menzies ...

My Dad built a triple fronted weatherboard home in the eastern suburbs of Melbourne back in the 60's because he got a "War Service Loan".

We lived there until about 1980

The Menzies Government (1949–1966) significantly expanded post-WWII housing loans for veterans, increasing the maximum War Service Home loan from £2,000 to £2,750 in the mid-1950s to promote home ownership. During this period, his government provided over 80% of all funds ever spent on war service homes at that time, boosting availability for ex-servicemen.
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Reply #175 - Today at 3:10pm
 
https://www.menziesrc.org/news-feed/the-menzies-government-and-housing-policy#:~...


Menzies appreciated that the key to boosting housing supply was the reduction of building costs. He remarked that ‘by sound industrial policies, adequate supply of materials, and the steady continuity of work, the costs of building have been reduced’. In his 1949 bid to return to office, he had vowed to ‘review the incidences of such imposts as sales tax on home fittings and furniture. The lower costs of building would of course translate into more affordable houses for Australian families.

Er ...what happened between then and now?

Housing is now unaffordable for average wage earners, and building costs are rising.

Amazing - after decades of neoliberalism, we have a cost of living crisis affecting low and middle income groups (...pity Coles, who are trying to lay the blame on suppliers...).

The first Minister appointed to the new housing portfolio in December 1963 was Leslie Bury, the Member for Wentworth in Sydney’s eastern suburbs. Born in London in 1913, Bury read economics at Queens College, Cambridge University, before emigrating to Australia in 1935 to take up a position with the Bank of NSW. Following successful careers in the Departments of External Affairs and Treasury, Bury won the seat of Wentworth in the December 1956 by-election. An ardent supporter of free-trade, Bury was critical of Keynesianism and excessive state intervention. In 1961, Menzies appointed Bury to his first portfolios as Minister for Air and Minister for Assisting the Treasurer. Despite being sacked from these posts in 1962 for his outspoken views on Britain’s integration into the European common market, he returned to the ministry in 1963 as the inaugural Minister for Housing.

Homes Savings Grant 1964

As Housing Minister, Bury’s most noteworthy achievement was the introduction of the ‘Homes Savings Grant’ for first home buyers in 1964. The scheme offered cash grants for married or engaged couples under the age of 36 to buy a home. To be eligible for the grant, the house or unit purchased needed to be the first home owned by either or both of the married couple upon or after marriage. Eligibility for the grant also had a cap on properties valued at more than 7000 pounds, reflecting the view of the Government that those acquiring more expensive homes  needed less help from the taxpayer. It applied equally to properties in urban and rural areas.


Re the underlined (taxpayer support for couples): Labor tday is forced to pay for 95% of the deposit on a home, to enable to people to become slaves to $million dollar mortgages....






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