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Reply #90 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:11pm

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:26pm:

Kind of ironic that Meister is so eager to point out the absurdity of religion, but holds as gospel truth that Muslims have, since Islam's founding, considered Jerusalem the site of Islam's third most holy place. With zero evidence. Just "it corresponds".

Hard to reconcile the two people.

Going for argumentum ad populum, eh!

We are talking about what people believed, so yeah.

No, you should know from your own forum advice that argumentum ad populum is about what you want people to believe.

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Reply #91 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:19pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:45pm:

Gospel truth is not scientific truth.

Religion is not scientific, nor empirical. Nor is literature, philosophy, poetry.

That is perhaps the entire point of them - of religion, poetry, literature, mythology -fhat they are not empirical YET true.

Well, now you need to define true for those posters here who don't know of this thing called true, as opposed to... true.

That is just so stupid .
Can you imagine Meister Echardt utteting anything so stupid and pedestrian and clay footed??

'Define truth'. Cheesy

You prove to be a bigger idiot with every post!

Give us another one. Keep talking.

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Reply #92 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:34pm

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:19pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:45pm:

Gospel truth is not scientific truth.

Religion is not scientific, nor empirical. Nor is literature, philosophy, poetry.

That is perhaps the entire point of them - of religion, poetry, literature, mythology -fhat they are not empirical YET true.

Well, now you need to define true for those posters here who don't know of this thing called true, as opposed to... true.

'Define truth'. Cheesy

Yep... That'd be my point, old girl.

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Reply #93 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:46pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:34pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:19pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:45pm:

Gospel truth is not scientific truth.

Religion is not scientific, nor empirical. Nor is literature, philosophy, poetry.

That is perhaps the entire point of them - of religion, poetry, literature, mythology -fhat they are not empirical YET true.

Well, now you need to define true for those posters here who don't know of this thing called true, as opposed to... true.

'Define truth'. Cheesy

Yep... That'd be my point, old girl.

An idiot's point.

Defind truth, define woman, ddfine man, define this, define that.

Contesting the hitherto common ground. It's all 'your truth, my truth' bollocks. Disputations are guaranted to be endless and totally fruitless. The end of reason because we do not share reason any more.

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Reply #94 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:56pm

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:46pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:34pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:19pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:50pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:45pm:

Gospel truth is not scientific truth.

Religion is not scientific, nor empirical. Nor is literature, philosophy, poetry.

That is perhaps the entire point of them - of religion, poetry, literature, mythology -fhat they are not empirical YET true.

Well, now you need to define true for those posters here who don't know of this thing called true, as opposed to... true.

'Define truth'. Cheesy

Yep... That'd be my point, old girl.

An idiot's point.

Defind truth, define woman, ddfine man, define this, define that.

Contesting the hitherto common ground. It's all 'your truth, my truth' bollocks. Disputations are guaranted to be endless and totally fruitless. The end of reason because we do not share reason any more.

And yet you used the word twice...

Religious tradition is not truth... and yet it's true...

You can't mince around like that on a forum like this... many of us here aren't homosexual, so...

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Reply #95 - Feb 12^th, 2026 at 6:51am

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:45pm:

Gospel truth is not scientific truth.

Religion is not scientific, nor empirical. Nor is literature, philosophy, poetry.

That is perhaps the entire point of them - of religion, poetry, literature, mythology -fhat they are not empirical YET true.

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:19pm:

'Define truth'.

Instead of gobbing off like a two-bob mincer, have a rethink of what you wrote:

You made the claim that there are (at least) two truths – scientific/empirical truth and religious/literary/artistic truth.

For most, truth is absolute and indivisible… you’re claiming there are multiple truths, that appear to have little in common.

That puts the onus on you, not on other posters, to at least give some explanation of the difference between these truths as you see them, given that not all posters here would agree with or understand the difference you’re claiming.

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Reply #96 - Feb 12^th, 2026 at 10:18am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 12^th, 2026 at 6:51am:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:45pm:

Gospel truth is not scientific truth.

Religion is not scientific, nor empirical. Nor is literature, philosophy, poetry.

That is perhaps the entire point of them - of religion, poetry, literature, mythology -fhat they are not empirical YET true.

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:19pm:

'Define truth'.

Instead of gobbing off like a two-bob mincer, have a rethink of what you wrote:

You made the claim that there are (at least) two truths – scientific/empirical truth and religious/literary/artistic truth.

For most, truth is absolute and indivisible… you’re claiming there are multiple truths, that appear to have little in common.

That puts the onus on you, not on other posters, to at least give some explanation of the difference between these truths as you see them, given that not all posters here would agree with or understand the difference you’re claiming.

The scope of science is limited. It has nothing to say about ethical or aesthetic judgement, for example.
Some of the greatest mathematicians, Pascal, Newton, Leibnitz were acutely aware of this. See also Kan's critical volumes on reason, aesthetics and judgement.

In our time Stephen Jay Gould talks about the non-overlapping magisteriums of knolwedge: facts and values.

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Sir Eoin O Fada Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3511 New England, NSW Gender:	Re: al-Aqsa Mosque Reply #97 - Feb 12^th, 2026 at 10:26am Christ definitely started a new religion, the Last Supper, which would have had far reaching effects on all the participants had it been brought to the attention of the Jewish authorities, definitely points to a new religion, moreover one that had ritualistic cannibalism as its main theme.
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Reply #98 - Feb 12^th, 2026 at 2:15pm

Frank wrote on Feb 12^th, 2026 at 10:18am:

In our time Stephen Jay Gould talks about the non-overlapping magisteriums of knolwedge: facts and values.

The idea of separate, non-overlapping magisteria has a spurious aura about it...

An attempt to elevate religious traditions to the status of truth, or to concoct a species of truth, when many of these traditions, if not all of which, are unverifiable, can be explained by natural phenomena, or are just patently ridiculous.

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Reply #99 - Feb 12^th, 2026 at 4:47pm

Frank wrote on Feb 12^th, 2026 at 10:18am:

The scope of science is limited. It has nothing to say about ethical or aesthetic judgement, for example.
Some of the greatest mathematicians, Pascal, Newton, Leibnitz were acutely aware of this. See also Kan's critical volumes on reason, aesthetics and judgement.

In our time Stephen Jay Gould talks about the non-overlapping magisteriums of knolwedge: facts and values.

We know truth, not only by the reason, but also by the heart, and it is in this last way that we know first principles; and reason, which has no part in it, tries in vain to impugn them.
Pascal, Pensees 282

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Reply #100 - Feb 12^th, 2026 at 5:27pm

Frank wrote on Feb 12^th, 2026 at 4:47pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 12^th, 2026 at 10:18am:

The scope of science is limited. It has nothing to say about ethical or aesthetic judgement, for example.
Some of the greatest mathematicians, Pascal, Newton, Leibnitz were acutely aware of this. See also Kan's critical volumes on reason, aesthetics and judgement.

In our time Stephen Jay Gould talks about the non-overlapping magisteriums of knolwedge: facts and values.

We know truth, not only by the reason, but also by the heart, and it is in this last way that we know first principles; and reason, which has no part in it, tries in vain to impugn them.
Pascal, Pensees 282

We also know we can be mistaken when reason proves our perceptions false; and we can still feel convinced when we should know we have no reason to be, or every reason not to be.

We can act delusionally because we believe 'our luck is in'... we can act unwisely because our dander is up... we can verbalise falsehoods we naively believe is truth...

The Dunning-Kruger effect: where we all almost always greatly overestimate our own knowledge or skill when blythely applying what we imagine about our capabilities to unfamiliar tasks.

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Reply #101 - Feb 12^th, 2026 at 5:38pm

$$Profit Muhammad rode a flying donkey to Al Aqsa despite the fact this mosque was built after he died.

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An excerpt from a translation of Sahih al-Bukhari describes Buraq:

Then a white animal which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me ... The animal's step (was so wide that it) reached the farthest point within the reach of the animal's sight.

— Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq

Every muslim believes Muhammad rode a flying donkey. i wonder how many idiots who defend Islam also believe in flying donkeys
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Reply #102 - Feb 12^th, 2026 at 5:48pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 12^th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

$$Profit Muhammad rode a flying donkey to Al Aqsa despite the fact this mosque was built after he died.

Quote:

An excerpt from a translation of Sahih al-Bukhari describes Buraq:

Then a white animal which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me ... The animal's step (was so wide that it) reached the farthest point within the reach of the animal's sight.

— Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq

Every muslim believes Muhammad rode a flying donkey. i wonder how many idiots who defend Islam also believe in flying donkeys
Grin

Christians believe Jesus was born of a virgin, rose from the dead and ascended bodily into heaven, so...

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Reply #103 - Feb 12^th, 2026 at 5:57pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 12^th, 2026 at 5:48pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Feb 12^th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

$$Profit Muhammad rode a flying donkey to Al Aqsa despite the fact this mosque was built after he died.

Quote:

An excerpt from a translation of Sahih al-Bukhari describes Buraq:

Then a white animal which was smaller than a mule and bigger than a donkey was brought to me ... The animal's step (was so wide that it) reached the farthest point within the reach of the animal's sight.

— Muhammad al-Bukhari, Sahih al-Bukhari[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buraq

Every muslim believes Muhammad rode a flying donkey. i wonder how many idiots who defend Islam also believe in flying donkeys
Grin

Christians believe Jesus was born of a virgin, rose from the dead and ascended bodily into heaven, so...

What does that have to do with Al Aqsa?
Are you deflecting because you can't stay on topic?
I have no religion.

Every muslim also believe Trees and rocks will talk

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