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Reply #75 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 12:31pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 10^th, 2026 at 8:30pm:

FD,
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Are you saying Muhammad intentionally made it the third holiest site in Islam,
without ever actually mentioning the location?

He didn't but the followers of Islam did as
it's where Mohammad ascended to heaven on a horse with wings.

Correct.

FD wants to differentiate between Islamic mythology which was developed after the Prophet's death, and OT mythology re "The Chosen People" and "The Promised Land".

But that mythology was associated with Islam which is based on the OT prophets (plus Jesus) of the "One True God", because Muhummad considered himself to be the last of those prophets of the 'One True God'.

And those prophets claimed Jerusalem as their 'holy city', hence Islamic scholars soon elected Jerusalem as the site of the last 'true Prophet's' Ascension.

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Reply #76 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 5:09pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:15am:

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:33am:

I am not asking for proof. I am asking for a reference. Something someone said. Islam is full of them. That's what Islam is.

Can you tell the difference?

I don't think you know what you're asking for.

Here it is again for you Meister:

Can you find a single reference that identifies the site in Jerusalem as the al-Aqsa Mosque from either Muhammad himself, from someone else before Muhammad died, or from before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if, despite knowing about the existence of the city, they never talked about it being a holy site, nor visited there?

Do you have no evidence to support this claim:

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The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

other than your assertion that it "corresponds" to Mecca?

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Reply #77 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 6:02pm

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 5:09pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:15am:

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:33am:

I am not asking for proof. I am asking for a reference. Something someone said. Islam is full of them. That's what Islam is.

Can you tell the difference?

I don't think you know what you're asking for.

Here it is again for you Meister:

Can you find a single reference that identifies the site in Jerusalem as the al-Aqsa Mosque from either Muhammad himself, from someone else before Muhammad died, or from before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if, despite knowing about the existence of the city, they never talked about it being a holy site, nor visited there?

Do you have no evidence to support this claim:

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The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

other than your assertion that it "corresponds" to Mecca?

I meant other than stupid questions 15-year-olds ask on repeat.

Repeating stupid questions doesn't make them smart ones.

You need to discuss this with an adult you trust.

I said it corresponds to the Kaaba in Mecca. Do you know what the Kaaba is? Is there an adult close-by who can Google it for you?

The al-Aqsa Mosque is the third-holiest site in Islam because Muslims since the 7th century said/say it is... that's how religious tradition works.

A Christian equivalent would be Bethlehem. An insignificant town at the birth of Pauline Judaism (Christianity) - made significant by aligning Jesus to King David and prophesies that the Messiah would be born in David's city.

The gospel writer of Luke even concocted a just-in-time storyline to get Jesus and family out of Nazareth and into Bethlehem.

Later, Constantine and Helena determined the exact site of Jesus' birth.

Once the tradition was established, it was never challenged or corrected.

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Reply #78 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:08pm

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The al-Aqsa Mosque is the third-holiest site in Islam because Muslims since the 7th century said/say it is

Are you backpedalling?

Can you find a single reference that identifies the site in Jerusalem as the al-Aqsa Mosque from either Muhammad himself, from someone else before Muhammad died, or from before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if, despite knowing about the existence of the city, they never talked about it being a holy site, nor visited there?

Do you have no evidence to support this claim:

Quote:

The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

other than your assertion that it "corresponds" to Mecca?

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Reply #79 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:22pm

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:08pm:

Quote:

The al-Aqsa Mosque is the third-holiest site in Islam because Muslims since the 7th century said/say it is

Are you backpedalling?

Can you find a single reference that identifies the site in Jerusalem as the al-Aqsa Mosque from either Muhammad himself, from someone else before Muhammad died, or from before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if, despite knowing about the existence of the city, they never talked about it being a holy site, nor visited there?

Do you have no evidence to support this claim:

Quote:

The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

other than your assertion that it "corresponds" to Mecca?

"Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens"

Did you do what I asked? I've told you I referred to the Kaaba. Did you ask an adult to help you Google what a Kaaba is?

When you do, ask the adult to help you Google the significance of the Jewish Temple to Judaism.

Then ask them to Google the original Muslim tradition of facing Jerusalem in prayer.

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Reply #80 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:36pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:22pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:08pm:

Quote:

The al-Aqsa Mosque is the third-holiest site in Islam because Muslims since the 7th century said/say it is

Are you backpedalling?

Can you find a single reference that identifies the site in Jerusalem as the al-Aqsa Mosque from either Muhammad himself, from someone else before Muhammad died, or from before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if, despite knowing about the existence of the city, they never talked about it being a holy site, nor visited there?

Do you have no evidence to support this claim:

Quote:

The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

other than your assertion that it "corresponds" to Mecca?

"Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens"

Did you do what I asked? I've told you I referred to the Kaaba. Did you ask an adult to help you Google what a Kaaba is?

When you do, ask the adult to help you Google the significance of the Jewish Temple to Judaism.

Then ask them to Google the original Muslim tradition of facing Jerusalem in prayer.

And we have to accept Muslims claims blindly because.....?

Because they will cut our heads off if we dispute the 'final, unalterable, eternal word' of an illiterate meshuggeh.

What a deal!

You buy? Sure you do!!

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Reply #81 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:38pm

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:36pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:22pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:08pm:

Quote:

The al-Aqsa Mosque is the third-holiest site in Islam because Muslims since the 7th century said/say it is

Are you backpedalling?

Can you find a single reference that identifies the site in Jerusalem as the al-Aqsa Mosque from either Muhammad himself, from someone else before Muhammad died, or from before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if, despite knowing about the existence of the city, they never talked about it being a holy site, nor visited there?

Do you have no evidence to support this claim:

Quote:

The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

other than your assertion that it "corresponds" to Mecca?

"Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens"

Did you do what I asked? I've told you I referred to the Kaaba. Did you ask an adult to help you Google what a Kaaba is?

When you do, ask the adult to help you Google the significance of the Jewish Temple to Judaism.

Then ask them to Google the original Muslim tradition of facing Jerusalem in prayer.

And we have to accept Muslims claims blindly because.....?

Because they will cut our heads off if we dispute the 'final, unalterable, eternal word' of an illiterate meshuggeh.

What a deal!

You buy? Sure you do!!

Why not? You and your ancestors accepted Christian claims blindly. Is there any other choice with religious tradition?

It's why our European ancestors murdered Jews in cold blood as regularly as they did.

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Reply #82 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:53pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:36pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:22pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:08pm:

Quote:

The al-Aqsa Mosque is the third-holiest site in Islam because Muslims since the 7th century said/say it is

Are you backpedalling?

Can you find a single reference that identifies the site in Jerusalem as the al-Aqsa Mosque from either Muhammad himself, from someone else before Muhammad died, or from before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if, despite knowing about the existence of the city, they never talked about it being a holy site, nor visited there?

Do you have no evidence to support this claim:

Quote:

The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

other than your assertion that it "corresponds" to Mecca?

"Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens"

Did you do what I asked? I've told you I referred to the Kaaba. Did you ask an adult to help you Google what a Kaaba is?

When you do, ask the adult to help you Google the significance of the Jewish Temple to Judaism.

Then ask them to Google the original Muslim tradition of facing Jerusalem in prayer.

And we have to accept Muslims claims blindly because.....?

Because they will cut our heads off if we dispute the 'final, unalterable, eternal word' of an illiterate meshuggeh.

What a deal!

You buy? Sure you do!!

Why not? You and your ancestors accepted Christian claims blindly. Is there any other choice with religious tradition?

It's why our European ancestors murdered Jews in cold blood as regularly as they did.

Christianity is not like Islam. It is not MERELY performative.

Christianity is radically different to both Judaism an Mohamedanism, the latter being a ridiculous, world historical misunderstanding of Judaism by an illiterate sex fiend.

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Reply #83 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:59pm

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:53pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:38pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:36pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:22pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 7:08pm:

Quote:

The al-Aqsa Mosque is the third-holiest site in Islam because Muslims since the 7th century said/say it is

Are you backpedalling?

Can you find a single reference that identifies the site in Jerusalem as the al-Aqsa Mosque from either Muhammad himself, from someone else before Muhammad died, or from before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if, despite knowing about the existence of the city, they never talked about it being a holy site, nor visited there?

Do you have no evidence to support this claim:

Quote:

The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

other than your assertion that it "corresponds" to Mecca?

"Mit der Dummheit kampfen Gotter selbst vergebens"

Did you do what I asked? I've told you I referred to the Kaaba. Did you ask an adult to help you Google what a Kaaba is?

When you do, ask the adult to help you Google the significance of the Jewish Temple to Judaism.

Then ask them to Google the original Muslim tradition of facing Jerusalem in prayer.

And we have to accept Muslims claims blindly because.....?

Because they will cut our heads off if we dispute the 'final, unalterable, eternal word' of an illiterate meshuggeh.

What a deal!

You buy? Sure you do!!

Why not? You and your ancestors accepted Christian claims blindly. Is there any other choice with religious tradition?

It's why our European ancestors murdered Jews in cold blood as regularly as they did.

Christianity is not like Islam. It is not MERELY performative.

Christianity is radically different to both Judaism an Mohamedanism, the latter being a ridiculous, world historical misunderstanding of Judaism by an illiterate sex fiend.

So, no ridiculous absurdities in Christianity then, eh! No historical fabrications...

No religious traditions that contradict reality or independently recorded history then, eh!

No mistranslations, misunderstandings. outright perversions of and about Judaism in Christianity, eh!

No murderous edicts, Papal bulls or exhortations from kings, Popes and religious potentates against Jews and other non-Christians in Christianity, eh!

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Reply #85 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:30pm

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:26pm:

Kind of ironic that Meister is so eager to point out the absurdity of religion, but holds as gospel truth that Muslims have, since Islam's founding, considered Jerusalem the site of Islam's third most holy place. With zero evidence. Just "it corresponds".

Hard to reconcile the two people.

FD,
do you believe in the Virgin Mary?

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Reply #86 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:36pm

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:26pm:

Kind of ironic that Meister is so eager to point out the absurdity of religion, but holds as gospel truth that Muslims have, since Islam's founding, considered Jerusalem the site of Islam's third most holy place. With zero evidence. Just "it corresponds".

Hard to reconcile the two people.

Going for argumentum ad populum, eh!

Interesting that you use the term 'gospel truth'. The gospels are riddled with fabrications and verifiable lies... It's a result of your cultural inheritance and ignorance of religious tradition that you'd use the term without irony.

If you mean the truth, as in verifiable truth concluded from hard evidence, then, as I said, ancient religious tradition cannot be verified by hard evidence.

There is no other site that any religious interpretation of Muhammad's night flight could compete with the inner sanctum of the 1st and 2nd Jewish Temples... They even resembled the Kaaba in their geometry...

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Reply #88 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:50pm

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:45pm:

Gospel truth is not scientific truth.

Religion is not scientific, nor empirical. Nor is literature, philosophy, poetry.

That is perhaps the entire point of them - of religion, poetry, literature, mythology -fhat they are not empirical YET true.

Well, now you need to define true for those posters here who don't know of this thing called true, as opposed to... true.

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Reply #89 - Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:59pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:26pm:

Kind of ironic that Meister is so eager to point out the absurdity of religion, but holds as gospel truth that Muslims have, since Islam's founding, considered Jerusalem the site of Islam's third most holy place. With zero evidence. Just "it corresponds".

Hard to reconcile the two people.

Going for argumentum ad populum, eh!

We are talking about what people believed, so yeah.

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