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Reply #150 - Feb 15th, 2026 at 10:05am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 15th, 2026 at 9:56am:
Psycho-sectual snarling.

That'd be the effete gay bitching rants you dump around here.

Sure, knowing you'd be lynched if you went back to your hometown may be your life experience...

James sent out spies to report back to him on Paul's blasphemy and perversion of the message of 'the way'... with instructions to undo the damage he was doing to the cause and to Judaism... particularly the effect Paul's perversions were having on Jews.

While Paul sucked up to James in his presence, he was contemptuous of him and the other apostles when he was out of Jerusalem and the region.

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Reply #151 - Feb 15th, 2026 at 10:19am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 15th, 2026 at 10:05am:
Frank wrote on Feb 15th, 2026 at 9:56am:
Psycho-sectual snarling.

That'd be the effete gay bitching rants you dump around here.

Sure, knowing you'd be lynched if you went back to your hometown may be your life experience...

James sent out spies to report back to him on Paul's blasphemy and perversion of the message of 'the way'... with instructions to undo the damage he was doing to the cause and to Judaism... particularly the effect Paul's perversions were having on Jews.

While Paul sucked up to James in his presence, he was contemptuous of him and the other apostles when he was out of Jerusalem and the region.


Nonsense. Tendetious pseudo intellectual crap. 

None of your silly assertion stand : No mortal enmity, no excommunication.  Significant differerences between Jesus and Orthodox Jews and Muslims.



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Reply #152 - Feb 15th, 2026 at 10:28am
 
Frank wrote on Feb 15th, 2026 at 10:19am:
None of your silly assertion stand : No mortal enmity, no excommunication.  Significant differerences between Jesus and Orthodox Jews and Muslims.




Almost no difference at all between what it's agreed Jesus said and Orthodox Judaism and Muslims. It's why the 'Lord's Prayer' does not contradict either Judaism or Islam.

Jesus speaking of 'the Kingdom of God' being established on earth was the one agreed difference, but the proposal did not contradict Judaism. Like Muhammad, he claimed a special relationship to god, though not as a biological son. The title 'Son of God' was bestowed on all those deemed favoured by god, as with the likes of King David. In Muhammad's case, it was the last prophet of Allah/Yahweh.

Jesus and James' mortal enemies were the Sadducees, as both of them had called them out for being corrupt. The Sadducees had a hand in the deaths of both of them, 30 years apart.

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Reply #153 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 8:22am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 15th, 2026 at 8:18am:
freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2026 at 8:08am:
That doesn't sound like a riddle Meister. It just sounds like you are confused, and throwing in a few random insults and factoids to make yourself feel better.

Awww... a classic teenage pout.

Reread some of the dozens of your own posts for 'throwing in a few random insults and factoids to make yourself feel better'...

You know nothing about religions or their shared histories... You pull all your 'factoids' out of your arse and then spend your time over multiple pages trying to square the circles you've made for yourself.



They are all the same question Meister, maybe worded slightly differently in an attempt to overcome all the creative ways you seem to find to get yourself all confused.

Can you find a single reference that identifies the site in Jerusalem as the al-Aqsa Mosque from either Muhammad himself, from someone else before Muhammad died, or from before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if, despite knowing about the existence of the city, they never talked about it being a holy site, nor visited there?

Do you have no evidence to support this claim:

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The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.


other than your assertion that it "corresponds" to Mecca?

Why is this topic so important to you that you would make something like that up?
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Reply #154 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 8:30am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 8:22am:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 15th, 2026 at 8:18am:
freediver wrote on Feb 15th, 2026 at 8:08am:
That doesn't sound like a riddle Meister. It just sounds like you are confused, and throwing in a few random insults and factoids to make yourself feel better.

Awww... a classic teenage pout.

Reread some of the dozens of your own posts for 'throwing in a few random insults and factoids to make yourself feel better'...

You know nothing about religions or their shared histories... You pull all your 'factoids' out of your arse and then spend your time over multiple pages trying to square the circles you've made for yourself.



They are all the same question Meister, maybe worded slightly differently in an attempt to overcome all the creative ways you seem to find to get yourself all confused.

Can you find a single reference that identifies the site in Jerusalem as the al-Aqsa Mosque from either Muhammad himself, from someone else before Muhammad died, or from before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if, despite knowing about the existence of the city, they never talked about it being a holy site, nor visited there?

Do you have no evidence to support this claim:

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The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.


other than your assertion that it "corresponds" to Mecca?

Why is this topic so important to you that you would make something like that up?

I'm now convinced you're on the spectrum.

We need to see if we can overcome your ASD hyper-focus on your misrepresentation.

What did I post about the difference between Mecca and the Kaaba? Between Jerusalem and the Temple Mount?

I need you to post it next... baby steps, for now, so copy and paste will be good enough.
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Reply #155 - Feb 16th, 2026 at 9:37am
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 16th, 2026 at 8:30am:
I'm now convinced you're on the spectrum.

We need to see if we can overcome your ASD hyper-focus on your misrepresentation.

What did I post about the difference between Mecca and the Kaaba? Between Jerusalem and the Temple Mount?

I need you to post it next... baby steps, for now, so copy and paste will be good enough.



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Reply #156 - Yesterday at 8:00am
 
This is what you posted Meister:

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The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.


Did you make it up yourself, or are you parroting some other idiot on the internet?
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Reply #157 - Yesterday at 8:07am
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 8:00am:
This is what you posted Meister:

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The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.


Did you make it up yourself, or are you parroting some other idiot on the internet?

What did I tell you to do first? Copy and paste what I educated you on, regarding the Kaaba and Mecca, the Temple Mount and Jerusalem. You're not going to make any progress on reducing your self-embarrassing ASD hyper-focus at this rate.

Muhammad himself identified al-Aqsa (the Temple Mount) as the holiest site (not in Islam because he was not founding a new religion) and instructed his followers to face towards it in prayer. This continued for a couple of years before he claimed to have received divine instruction to face the Kaaba when praying.
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Reply #158 - Yesterday at 8:25am
 
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Muhammad himself identified al-Aqsa (the Temple Mount) as the holiest site (not in Islam because he was not founding a new religion) and instructed his followers to face towards it in prayer.


Did he refer to it as al-Aqsa at the time?
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Reply #159 - Yesterday at 8:32am
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 8:25am:
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Muhammad himself identified al-Aqsa (the Temple Mount) as the holiest site (not in Islam because he was not founding a new religion) and instructed his followers to face towards it in prayer.


Did he refer to it as al-Aqsa at the time?

He did. Muhammad had access to Jewish and Nestorian Christian religious traditions, both of which feature the Jewish 1st and 2nd Temples in their traditions.

What does al-Aqsa mean in Arabic? Why was it associated with a Mosque (the Jewish Temple/place of worship)?
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Reply #160 - Yesterday at 8:36am
 
Can you quote him?
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Reply #161 - Yesterday at 8:55am
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 8:36am:
Can you quote him?

You've already been educated on this.

No ancient religious figure can be quoted directly. What we have are religious traditions that survive, possibly from the founder, and what they provide. That is true of all ancient religious figures, including Moses, Jesus, the Buddha, and Muhammad. That all were likely illiterate, or didn't exist at all, doesn't help, of course.

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Reply #162 - Yesterday at 9:16am
 
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No ancient religious figure can be quoted directly


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Can you tell us what he said then?
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Reply #163 - Yesterday at 11:25am
 
freediver wrote Yesterday at 9:16am:
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No ancient religious figure can be quoted directly


Grin

Can you tell us what he said then?

Do you ever ask yourself whether online debates with adults are for you?

Religious traditions are the final authorities of what their respective founders said and did.
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Reply #164 - Yesterday at 11:41am
 
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Religious traditions are the final authorities of what their respective founders said and did.


Does the Islamic tradition include anything that Muhammad actually said? Or supposedly said, if you want to be pedantic about it? What exactly is the distinction you are trying to make here?

How can you be so certain that Muhammad described it as the al aqsa mosque without such a quote?
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