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Reply #135 - Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:16pm

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 4:58pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 4:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 3:22pm:

It's important to note that James became a mortal enemy of Paul because James had come to realise that Paul was attempting to pervert the message of 'the way', even after James had acceded to a looser commitment to Mosaic Law for Gentiles, such as the absolving from the rite of circumcision, which Greeks and Romans had simply refused to perform on the grounds that it was indecent and barbaric, and many of the dietary laws, which non-Jews also simply refused to keep.

Paul was emphasising words over deeds, that belief in Jesus as a Messiah was enough to ensure divine salvation without necessary deeds, and other pronouncements... James ultimately excommunicated Paul from the Jerusalem community as a heretic.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 9:13am:

Modern historians align with verifiable facts in the way ancient historians aligned with the intended subjective/emotional effects of the narrative.

Notwithstanding that religious narrative was usually zealously defended by religious elites/ rulers/ the state.

You aint no modern historian, pal.

That one line tells me you haven't even read Acts, nevermind modern religious historians.

Time for your big wank, before you explode into one of your bitch rants.

There is nothing in Acts about Paul being excommunicated.
Nor about 'mortal enemies'.
You referenced no modern historians, nor Acts, only wanking and bitching..

( your instant psychosexual reflex in response to any disagreement is noted)

Too late for your wank then...

Read Acts 21 to 23.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16637 Gender:	Re: al-Aqsa Mosque Reply #136 - Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:21pm Jasin wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:11pm: Quoting from Beta Male religion like Judaism, Christianity & Mohommedism shows who the 3 Blind Mice are. What would you quote from when the subject is Islam and its relationship to Judaic holy sites?
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 117098 Melbourne Gender:	Re: al-Aqsa Mosque Reply #137 - Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:28pm The Christians need to invade Israel in search of the Holy Grail - only the Grail can save us.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16637 Gender:	Re: al-Aqsa Mosque Reply #138 - Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:33pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:28pm: The Christians need to invade Israel in search of the Holy Grail - only the Grail can save us. And don't forget the coconuts...
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 117098 Melbourne Gender:	Re: al-Aqsa Mosque Reply #139 - Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:38pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:28pm: The Christians need to invade Israel in search of the Holy Grail - only the Grail can save us. And don't forget the coconuts...
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Re: al-Aqsa Mosque
Reply #140 - Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:40pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:16pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 4:58pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 4:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 3:22pm:

It's important to note that James became a mortal enemy of Paul because James had come to realise that Paul was attempting to pervert the message of 'the way', even after James had acceded to a looser commitment to Mosaic Law for Gentiles, such as the absolving from the rite of circumcision, which Greeks and Romans had simply refused to perform on the grounds that it was indecent and barbaric, and many of the dietary laws, which non-Jews also simply refused to keep.

Paul was emphasising words over deeds, that belief in Jesus as a Messiah was enough to ensure divine salvation without necessary deeds, and other pronouncements... James ultimately excommunicated Paul from the Jerusalem community as a heretic.

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 9:13am:

Modern historians align with verifiable facts in the way ancient historians aligned with the intended subjective/emotional effects of the narrative.

Notwithstanding that religious narrative was usually zealously defended by religious elites/ rulers/ the state.

You aint no modern historian, pal.

That one line tells me you haven't even read Acts, nevermind modern religious historians.

Time for your big wank, before you explode into one of your bitch rants.

There is nothing in Acts about Paul being excommunicated.
Nor about 'mortal enemies'.
You referenced no modern historians, nor Acts, only wanking and bitching..

( your instant psychosexual reflex in response to any disagreement is noted)

Too late for your wank then...

Read Acts 21 to 23.

Nothing about James and Paul being mortal enemies, nothing about excommunication.

The Jews were shirty about Paul taking gentiles into the temple.

When we arrived at Jerusalem, the brothers and sisters received us warmly. 18 The next day Paul and the rest of us went to see James, and all the elders were present. 19 Paul greeted them and reported in detail what God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry.
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When the seven days were nearly over, some Jews from the province of Asia saw Paul at the temple. They stirred up the whole crowd and seized him, 28 shouting, ‘Fellow Israelites, help us! This is the man who teaches everyone everywhere against our people and our law and this place. And besides, he has brought Greeks into the temple and defiled this holy place.’ 29 (They had previously seen Trophimus the Ephesian in the city with Paul and assumed that Paul had brought him into the temple.)

30 The whole city was aroused, and the people came running from all directions. Seizing Paul, they dragged him from the temple, and immediately the gates were shut. 31 While they were trying to kill him, news reached the commander of the Roman troops that the whole city of Jerusalem was in an uproar. 32 He at once took some officers and soldiers and ran down to the crowd. When the rioters saw the commander and his soldiers, they stopped beating Paul.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16637 Gender:	Re: al-Aqsa Mosque Reply #141 - Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:43pm Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:38pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:33pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:28pm: The Christians need to invade Israel in search of the Holy Grail - only the Grail can save us. And don't forget the coconuts... []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1MuvvS_xSw[]
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Re: al-Aqsa Mosque
Reply #142 - Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:48pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:43pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:33pm:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:28pm:

The Christians need to invade Israel in search of the Holy Grail -

only the Grail can save us.

And don't forget the coconuts...

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1MuvvS_xSw[]

Very funny - I've seen it before.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 16637 Gender:	Re: al-Aqsa Mosque Reply #143 - Feb 14^th, 2026 at 8:40pm Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:40pm: Nothing about James and Paul being mortal enemies, nothing about excommunication. The Jews were shirty about Paul taking gentiles into the temple. Now onto Galatians.
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Reply #144 - Feb 14^th, 2026 at 9:58pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 8:40pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:40pm:

Nothing about James and Paul being mortal enemies, nothing about excommunication.

The Jews were shirty about Paul taking gentiles into the temple.

Now onto Galatians.

You left out the tut tut and eyerolling, Bbwiyawn.

You must have the same Doctor of Hinty Hinty Divinity.

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Re: al-Aqsa Mosque
Reply #145 - Feb 14^th, 2026 at 10:39pm

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 9:58pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 8:40pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:40pm:

Nothing about James and Paul being mortal enemies, nothing about excommunication.

The Jews were shirty about Paul taking gentiles into the temple.

Now onto Galatians.

You left out the tut tut and eyerolling, Bbwiyawn.

You must have the same Doctor of Hinty Hinty Divinity.

Before you mince off to Galatians...

Have a think...

We’ve got James, giving it to Paul straight… “We’ve got a major mob out there who’ve taken an oath to starve, to death if needed, if they don’t kill you first…. You’ve put all of our lives in danger here… Do you want them to think I sheltered a transgressor against the Law?… No?... So here’s what’s gonna happen… You’re gonna publicly recommit yourself to Mosiac Law, for all Jerusalem to see’…

And the rest is … British-style irony.

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Re: al-Aqsa Mosque
Reply #146 - Yesterday at 8:08am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 10:17am:

freediver wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 9:24am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 10:00am:

freediver wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 9:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 9:01am:

freediver wrote on Feb 13^th, 2026 at 8:49am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 9:11pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:59pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 11^th, 2026 at 8:26pm:

Kind of ironic that Meister is so eager to point out the absurdity of religion, but holds as gospel truth that Muslims have, since Islam's founding, considered Jerusalem the site of Islam's third most holy place. With zero evidence. Just "it corresponds".

Hard to reconcile the two people.

Going for argumentum ad populum, eh!

We are talking about what people believed, so yeah.

No, you should know from your own forum advice that argumentum ad populum is about what you want people to believe.

Wow. You don't even get that either.

You're only 15, so... y'know... no one gets you... while you talk in riddles... stack your argument 3-deep in one breath... We all remember what it was like being 15.

What riddles? Are you confused about what I am asking Meister?

Can you find a single reference that identifies the site in Jerusalem as the al-Aqsa Mosque from either Muhammad himself, from someone else before Muhammad died, or from before a later leader decided to build a mosque there and claim the link?

At the time of Islam's founding, how exactly did Muslims consider the site to be one of the holiest in Islam if, despite knowing about the existence of the city, they never talked about it being a holy site, nor visited there?

Do you have no evidence to support this claim:

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The site of the al-Aqsa Mosque has been considered one of the holiest sites of Islam since Islam's founding.

other than your assertion that it "corresponds" to Mecca?

See, you can't help yourself... arrested development is permanent... lifelong.

You are not intellectually capable of discerning the difference between your misrepresentation of what I wrote and what I wrote... For you, Mecca and the Kaaba are the same, or at least you think you'll get away with your misrepresentation by conflating the two.

The Kaaba and the site of the old Jewish Temple were considered equal in holiness... The Kaaba, by religious tradition, was built by Abraham and his son Ismael. The Jewish Temples were built on the site where, by religious tradition, Abraham almost sacrificed his son, Isaac, until an angel intervened.

Jerusalem was the holy city during the time of Muhammad.

Mecca was not, or at least did not compare with Jerusalem, hence the original Muslim facing of Jerusalem in prayer.

Where is the riddle Meister?

So, an adult has intervened, I'd bet, and you're down to the rats and mice of whatever's left of your BS...

Did the adult explain to you the difference between the Kaaba and Mecca in Muhammad's time? Between the status of ancient Mecca in Muhammad's time and Jerusalem? Between Jerusalem and the Temple Mount?

Next is to see if you can focus your attention on the Middle East and Christianised Europe's universal awareness of Jerusalem and the Temple Mount in Muhammad's time... particularly the state of desecration this holiest of sites was allowed to remain in since its destruction by the Romans over 600 years before.

That doesn't sound like a riddle Meister. It just sounds like you are confused, and throwing in a few random insults and factoids to make yourself feel better.

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Re: al-Aqsa Mosque
Reply #147 - Yesterday at 8:18am

freediver wrote Yesterday at 8:08am:

That doesn't sound like a riddle Meister. It just sounds like you are confused, and throwing in a few random insults and factoids to make yourself feel better.

Awww... a classic teenage pout.

Reread some of the dozens of your own posts for 'throwing in a few random insults and factoids to make yourself feel better'...

You know nothing about religions or their shared histories... You pull all your 'factoids' out of your arse and then spend your time over multiple pages trying to square the circles you've made for yourself.

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Re: al-Aqsa Mosque
Reply #148 - Yesterday at 9:09am

In Muhammad's time, for almost 2 years, the Temple Mount (Al-Aqsa) was Muhammad's holiest site, towards which his followers must pray, followed by the Kaaba... Then, after he'd established himself in Medina and had built a Mosque there (Al-Masjid an-Nabawi), he claimed he'd received divine instruction to face the Kaaba in prayer, making the Kaaba the holiest site, Al-Aqsa the second-holiest, and the Mosque in Medina, the third-holiest site.

During the years of establishing Islam as a distinct religion, the hierarchy of holy sites became the Kaaba in Mecca, Al-Masjid an-Nabawi in Medina and al-Aqsa in Jerusalem.

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Re: al-Aqsa Mosque
Reply #149 - Yesterday at 9:56am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 10:39pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 9:58pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 8:40pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 14^th, 2026 at 5:40pm:

Nothing about James and Paul being mortal enemies, nothing about excommunication.

The Jews were shirty about Paul taking gentiles into the temple.

Now onto Galatians.

You left out the tut tut and eyerolling, Bbwiyawn.

You must have the same Doctor of Hinty Hinty Divinity.

Before you mince off to Galatians...

Have a think...

We’ve got James, giving it to Paul straight… “We’ve got a major mob out there who’ve taken an oath to starve, to death if needed, if they don’t kill you first…. You’ve put all of our lives in danger here… Do you want them to think I sheltered a transgressor against the Law?… No?... So here’s what’s gonna happen… You’re gonna publicly recommit yourself to Mosiac Law, for all Jerusalem to see’…

And the rest is … British-style irony.

You make up crap.
No mortal enmity, no excommunication. Just pseud bollocks. Response to any disagreement with the pseud bollocks?
Psycho-sexual snarling.

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